Reports indicate Johnny Cueto has been traded to the Kansas City Royals. Check back here for details.

Ken Rosenthal had the first report:

Update 1: Royals won’t confirm trade to their beat writer:

No confirmation from Reds to Mark Sheldon:

Jeff Passan (Yahoo.com) confirms Rosenthal report:

My guess is the teams won’t confirm the trade until the Reds have notified Johnny Cueto. Reds may have decided to tell Cueto in person when he comes into the clubhouse.

Update 2: First report that LHP Brandon Finnegan is *likely* one of the players in the trade. Had heard this name all week. Not confirmed though.

https://twitter.com/MarlyRiveraESPN/status/625340513269489664

Injury-guru (and well-sourced) Will Carroll says rumors flying that Finnegan was player who failed health test:

Jim Bowden just said on his radio show that it sounds like Finnegan is in the trade. He says that’s a great deal for the Reds. Finnegan a ways away, but good healthy arm. I’ve read conflicting reports on Finnegan’s health.

Update 3: Jon Morosi (FOX) has John Lamb as part of the trade. Lamb is a LHP at AAA:

Update 4: Cueto in clubhouse and still hasn’t been told, per Mark Sheldon:

John Fay reporting as of 1:10 p.m. the Reds are still looking at the medical reports on the KC players:

Fay now quoting manager Bryan Price saying no trade yet. Wow. Surprising:

 

141 Responses

  1. charlottencredsfan

    Hopefully a win for the Good Guys. Wouldn’t mind seeing KC win it all….with our Johny leading them!

    • pinson343

      Yeh I was rooting for KC to get him.

      • charlottencredsfan

        He’ll have a blast. That is a great group of guys over there, young and hungry too.

  2. wdwrolen2713

    Insert Lorde joke hère 🎶

  3. wdwrolen2713

    I dont know Royals too well, is JC automatic #1 for them? Also ditto on World Series. Either the Royals or Astros.

    • rhayex

      Yep. They didn’t have an ace at all, needed one for the playoffs.

    • Steve Mancuso

      Yes. Cueto becomes clear #1 for the Royals.

    • Dave

      Cueto is a clear #1 just about anywhere he goes. Kershaw….uh yeah, that’s about it for “better.” I saw King Felix here in Yankee Stadium a week ago and he wasn’t any better than what I’ve seen from Cueto. Dallas Keuchel is having a big season, as is a hot Greinke, but there’s a pretty good argument that Johnny’s about as good as you’re gonna get, especially from the right side.

      The Royals secret is that they use that great ‘pen so well and have by far and away the fewest IP by starters, the shortest average start, and the fewest quality starts – that’s okay when you’re running out a bunch of cheap studs from the bullpen and asking for fewer, but higher quality, IP from the starters. I just hope they don’t turn Cueto into a 5 IP guy and instead let him do what he does.

  4. Brady

    It’ll be a couple top pitching prospects, which is nice and all, but they need hitters.

    Here’s to hoping Leake and/or Chapman can bring a bat or two.

    • charlottencredsfan

      It could be a sign that Bruce & Frazier are going nowhere, as a potential positive.

      • pinson343

        I think the Reds are going for it in 2016, feeling they obviously need to add pitching but have a good lineup.

      • charlottencredsfan

        To me, the key is Hamilton. If the BHam of the last few games is the new Billy, the Reds are going to be very dangerous. He changes the whole game when he gets on base. Everyone knows about the kids speed but his instincts in the field are unreal (baserunning & fielding). Why I always pulled so hard for him.

      • pinson343

        Of course, if they are going for it, there’s still work to do with that lineup (LF).

      • pinson343

        Agree that the key is Hamilton. Dee Gordon figured it out at the age of 26. There’s hope.

      • Tom Gray

        Lots of injury recoveries have to be favorable. Bailey, Cozart, Mesoraco. Not impossible but unlikely.

      • Steve Mancuso

        People expressed similar pessimism about Votto and Bruce returning to health this year. Cozart is the biggest question mark on that list.

      • charlottencredsfan

        How does this lineup look. I’m assuming Billy is going to come on very strong, otherwise it won’t matter:
        BHam – 8
        Suarez – 4
        Votto – 3
        Frazier – 5
        Bruce – 9
        Mes – 7
        Cozart – 6
        Barnhart/Pena – 2

      • Tom Gray

        Bailey will recover by mid 2016 better by 2017.

        Mesoraco probably OK but maybe not as everyday C.

        I don’t see Cozart fully recovered in 2016. Really bad knee injuries for him.

      • Gonzo Reds

        I like that lineup but Pena gone so will need Mes to catch some and need Winker or another prospect to be ready for OF next year. I also think Cozart is not a lock to be back or back doing what he did early this year. Suarez at SS and Phillips still at 2B likely. We may keep Chapman as well since Kimbrell and Paplebon might be moved cheaper. I’m fine with moving only Leake at this point for hitting prospects and going for it in 2016. Happy trade with KC that I can root for in the playoffs and two potential SP to add to the pot for the rest of the year. We should have a pretty good idea after the second half who will end up SP and who will end up in the pen.

  5. Brady

    As far as fit is concerned, if I wanted Cueto to go anywhere it would be to KC.

    Thanks for all you’ve done, Johnny.

    • Cyrus

      Actually, Rosenthal’s source for his initial breaking of the story was Mike Lorenzen.

  6. charlottencredsfan

    Just as the Reds only rented Tom Seaver, JC will always be remembered as a Red. Will not be shocked if he finishes in Cincy. Had a chance to be within 15 feet of him at a Reds game a couple of years ago. All I could think is that guy has the eyes of a tiger. Knock ’em dead Johnny and thanks for the great memories!

    • Tom Gray

      Seaver pitched 6 years for Reds (mid 1977 through 1982). Hardly a rental.

      • charlottencredsfan

        He’s a Met. Could have pitched more seasons in Cincy and it wouldn’t have mattered. Just my opinion.

      • Tom Gray

        From that perspective, yes.

        But a rental FA last 2 or 3 months. Seaver last almost 6 years as a Red.

      • charlottencredsfan

        Rental was not the best word. Just couldn’t think of another.

      • Tom Gray

        Same issue (in reverse) for Frank Robinson. 10 years a Red, 6 years an Oriole.

        F-Robby is thought of as an Oriole by many but always a Red by me.

      • pinson343

        You meant “rental” figuratively, that’s all.

      • charlottencredsfan

        Could have said: Reds availed themselves of his services.

      • pinson343

        Right, to be perfectly literal. I prefer “rental”, a bit of poetic license.

      • pinson343

        F-Robby definitely always a Red for me too.

      • pinson343

        Awesome numbers in his 10 years for the Reds, as one can see at that link. And a feared base runner, violent takeouts at 2nd base.

        One of those hurt his career. After winning the MVP and Triple Crown for Baltimore in 1966, he was having a better season in 1967 as of late July, leading in all 3 categories, on pace for more RBIs and a higher batting average, until his head collided with a 2nd baseman’s knee. Missed a month, came back seeing double, was never quite the same after that.

    • pinson343

      “Knock ’em dead Johnny and thanks for the great memories!” Well said.

  7. Steve Mancuso

    My guess is the reason the trade hasn’t been confirmed by either club is the Reds want to tell Cueto first. May be waiting to see him in person.

  8. Jake

    Going to miss going to the games and seeing Cueto pitch. Everytime he took the mound you had a feeling we’d win

  9. Tom Reed

    Maybe Cueto will face his former teammates when K.C. comes in for two on Aug. 18th.

      • rhayex

        I feel like, if he’s not pitching in that series, that’ll be more of a reunion with old teammates than anything else.

    • charlottencredsfan

      I look forward to it, as long as we are out of the hunt.

    • pinson343

      If so I’m flying into Cincinnati for my birthday (August 18).

  10. wkuchad

    How do you pull up old posts? I want to pull up some of the posts on potential returns from other teams.

    • Steve Mancuso

      search box: cueto

      work your way through the list of posts

    • tct

      That’s probably because he no longer qualifies as a prospect. He’s got over 30 major league innings now.

      I’d rather have Manaea, but Finnegan seems to fit their theory about taking guys who everyone thinks are relievers and turn the into starters.

      My prediction; Finnegan, Starling, and a lottery ticket
      Hoping for; Manaea, Starling, Bonafacio

      • pinson343

        A “source” says John Lamb is one.

      • ohiojimw

        Manaea could have been the medical reject yesterday. Last year 25 starts at High A. This year missing in action till the last week of June. Then 1 start at rookie league, 4 back at high A and this last week a start at AA.

  11. Tom Gray

    Clipped from Enquirer today:

    In 211 starts over eight seasons for the Reds, Cueto was 91-63 with a 3.22 ERA. His 91 wins are tied with Don Gullett for 23rd most as a Red. Of the 24 pitchers who have made more than 200 starts for the Reds, only Bob Ewing (2.37), Will White (2.51), Noodles Hahn (2.52), Jose Rijo (2.83), Bucky Walters (2.93), Gary Nolan (3.02), Dolf Luque (3.09), Tony Mullane (3.15) and Jim Maloney (3.16) had better ERAs.

    • pinson343

      Some trouble, due to traffic I think.

      • Kyle

        Really hope he is not the headliner. Probably in the 15-20 range among royals prospects. Could be in the Reds rotation immedietaly. Numbers this year are great but his other years post tommy john are poor.

      • Tom Gray

        If he can be in Reds rotation ASAP why wasn’t he in Royals?

        Hope U R right.

      • rhayex

        Was the number 18 prospect in all of baseball in 2011. Got hurt, dropped off lists. Currently in AAA at the age of 25 with a 2.67 ERA, 2.8 BB/9, and 9.2 K/9. That’s pretty good. If he found his stuff again, then he has a good chance to be great

      • tct

        The scouting reports from the prospect lists this off-season make him out to be kind of a David Holmberg type. Fringy stuff, as they said he had lost velocity after his surgery. Maybe that has changed this year. But if he’s the centerpiece, or even the 2nd best prospect in the deal, I will be a bit disappointed. I hope they arent settling for low upside guys just because they are close to the majors and could possibly help in 2016.

      • CP

        I read that Lamb is back to hitting 95 in AAA.

      • Shchi Cossack

        Lamb has produced a solid 9.2 K/9 & 3.31 K/BB in AAA this season. Looks like his reovery and rehab has been completed.

      • Tom Diesman

        His ERA the last two years has been very good, 3.97 in 2014 and 2.67 in 2015. Bear in mind those numbers are from the offensive minded PCL where league average ERA the last two years has been 4.63 in 2014 and 4.38 in 2015. Plus his H/9, BB/9, and SO/9 have all improved this year over last and he is still just 25 years old and LH.

  12. pinson343

    Lamb missed two years due to TJ surgery. Excellent numbers at Omaha this year.

  13. wdwrolen2713

    Finnegan may be young and long from developed, but he is in majors past 2 years with sub 3 era in bullpen. Doesnt sound like hes too raw, but that is just bullpen.

  14. Michael G

    Sounds like the reds are going for pitchers who can come up this year or beginning next year latest. They will need them, yet I’d prefer if they could get Manaea or Zimmer like was previously mentioned.

  15. Shchi Cossack

    John Fay via Twitter:

    Sounds like #Reds are still working medical reports.

  16. wdwrolen2713

    Of the 3 names mentioned, how close are they to majors? Finnegan is young but already has mlb exp. Also heard Bubba Starling from Lance Mcalister, he is OF so we might get hitter?

  17. hof13

    I just want the thing to be done. It’s like when you know a breakup is coming but both parties are hanging on and what could have been simple and amicable becomes complicated and ugly.

    • tct

      Maybe Cueto can get the Reds pregnant to “save the relationship”

  18. wdwrolen2713

    Well apperently the Royals possessed Micael Lorenzen and told Cueto he was traded. Either that or Lorenzen can see the future and knew he was trade today. I still dont trust Schumakers Grit Voodoo Magic. (In other words Price denied EVERYTHING.)

    • seat101

      Yeah, sounds like someone owes the manager and apology.

      Not holding my breath.

      • Tom Gray

        Nope. Lorenzen could only have gotten trade information from Price. Who else?

  19. Hotto4Votto

    Finnegan, Lamb and Starling is a good return. Hopefully those are the guys coming back, as all three have been rumored Two starters (or a starter and a back end bullpen guy) and a developing CF. Sounds about what the Reds need.

  20. Jake

    Will the Royals also take Schumaker for a bag of pretzels?

    • Jake

      Need to lump him in with the Cueto trade

      • Nick Carrington

        Which means very little. Schumaker has been atrocious for the Reds since joining them. Worth -2.0 WAR for the Reds over the last two years. Disaster.

      • Tom Gray

        WAR schmar. Schumaker was signed as bench player and PH. He has done that.

      • Nick Carrington

        He was signed to provide value and hasn’t. Ignoring the stats that matter is silly. .221/.306/.305 with a 66 wRC+. Facts suggest he has been one of the worst players in the game.

      • Tom Gray

        He leads MLB in (most) PH in 2015. That certainly helps. Not an everyday player but thrown into starting lineup due to injuries in 2015.

      • Tom Diesman

        How did that work out for him last season? Beware the SSS. 🙂

      • Nick Carrington

        Yeah, he’s great. Hope the Reds can get some real value for him on the trade market. Teams love a guy with horrific stats besides one area (small sample size) that doesn’t matter that much.

  21. Joe Atkinson

    So now, Price says that there is no movement on Cueto, Lorenzen wasn’t warming up as a Plan B to start the game last night, and John Wilkes Booth wasn’t even in the Ford Theater the night Lincoln was shot.

  22. thecoastman

    Looks like Rosenthal might have jumped the gun on this one, “Price told reporters that there has been “absolutely no movement” on a Cueto deal, John Fay of the Cincinnati Enquirer tweets. Price also denied that Lorenzen was warming up as a Plan B on Saturday night in case Cueto was dealt”

      • thecoastman

        Now Rosenthal is saying that other execs looking for pitching haven’t been told that Cueto is still available. Very odd tweet — almost like Rosenthal is trying to prove he is right on his initial report this morning. Of course, they may still be working on a deal, but since Price nor Cueto have been told anything it is clear that nothing has been finalized. I might add that Jim Bowden is now claiming a deal is done. This all seems really weird. I suppose we’ll find out one way or another pretty soon.

    • Gaffer

      Price is a liar and a n unprofessional manager, no quotes from him on this site please.

    • tct

      I think the Reds must train their people in media relations by sending them to China or North Korea. They really seem to expect the media to report only what they tell them. And they expect to be able to tell ridiculous, obvious lies without the media ever calling them on it. It’s just bizzare. I mean, Lorenzen just decided on his own to go warm up in the pen for no reason? And Cueto is lying about what Lorenzen told him? Or did Lorenzen do that on his own too? It’s just absurd and makes them look like clowns.

  23. Carl Sayre

    Isn’t it normal for pitchers recovering from TJ surgery continue to improve their arm strength the second year after the surgery? Will be sad to see Cueto leave but the Reds couldn’t afford to sign him nor do I think we should have been in a 6 year deal. I don’t see our Reds in post season so I hope Cueto gets his ring.

    • Tom Gray

      If TJ recovery is successful, the second year back is when it typically shows up.

      • thecoastman

        Exactly, which is why we shouldn’t expect Baily to be at full strength again until 2017.

  24. Cyrus

    Don’t you all recall how the Reds have been burned in the past with these mid-season trades where they get players who end up on the long-term DL? It is a long list but it all seemed to start when we made that trade with the Nats a few years back. If I were the Reds, I’d be extremely cautious with the medical examination. The reason this news leaks is that it is virtually impossible to do anything nowadays, especially when the whole world is watching you because they are expecting you to be dealing multiple players. For all we know, the Royals are studying Cueto’s medical records as well. The looming media jump on this stuff before the contracts can even be printed. I’m amazed this stuff does not happen more often.

    • Tom Gray

      Very tough to make successful mid year trades.

      Howsam was very good at it, acquiring Cloninger-Carroll-Woodward in 1968, Foster in 1971, Norman in 1973, and Seaver in 1977. I think also Cepeda in mid 1960’s for Cardinals (not sure).

      Jocketty acquired several good players mid season for Cardinals. He got Rolen in 2010 for Reds.

      Hard to do.

    • thecoastman

      The only player that ever paned out somewhat in that Nats trade was Bill Bray. It kind of was a wash on both sides, but I am with you. Historically, trading premiere players for prospects is a crap shoot that has a very low percentage of paying off.

      • Indy Red Man

        We got a few very good years out of Nick Masset for Jr. Griffey…who literally was too fat for CF by that point

  25. jamesgarrett

    Is this turning in to a circus or what?I’ll check back later time for my nap.

    • thecoastman

      Royals general manager Dayton Moore added during his pregame talk about the Cueto trade: “Not a lot of truth to it at this point.” I think we have been on a Rosenthal BS ride…..

      • charlottencredsfan

        It’s a done deal – someone tell Price & Walt.

  26. msanmoore

    Personally was hoping he went to Houston, but I know they aren’t done yet there. Happy to see him pitch out the year in Royal blue. Can easily pull for them in the playoffs.

  27. seat101

    My son says that the Reds have sent out a tweet that the trade is official.

  28. charlottencredsfan

    Cueto & cash for: Finnigan, Lamb & Reed (sp). All LH starting pitchers.

  29. Mark Lang

    Uh oh – if Bowden is saying it’s a good trade for the Reds, we’re screwed

  30. vegastypo

    If that’s true, I’m jumping on the Royals’ bandwagon for the rest of the season.

  31. Indy Red Man

    I don’t know about John Lamb from the Royals but it would be nice to have a decent lefty in the rotation. I think we went 1-5 vs Cleveland…in big part to the fact that their lineup is so lefty dominated and we didn’t have any to throw back at them. The other day was the worst Cingrani has ever looked (89 mph?) and he’s never developed anything else to fall back on.

  32. jay johnson

    Think we got a nice return for JC.
    3 young quality,controllable prospects,2 that are ml ready or very nearly so and all for cheap.Hate to see the Reds dump mentality but after reading JC’S agent had sought 200 mil I think we did the right thing.Thats ludicrous for a 29 yr old pitcher.No matter how terrific he is.
    I’m sure there will be many differing opinions,but we got 3 of KC’s top 25 prospects.

    • Gonzo Reds

      Can’t complain about what we got back. Two lefties we can try in the rotation this year and at worst start building a real pen. Cody Reed was a 2nd rounder in 2014 and has good numbers so far.

  33. thecoastman

    Looks like the ride is over and Rosenthal is redeemed. I like the trade at face value. Can’t wait for the guys over here to break down the numbers.

  34. jay johnson

    BTW all 3 are lefties,which we clearly were short of having.

  35. darrin

    i’m gonna miss johnny beisbol……but i sure like the return