Final R H E
Cincinnati Reds (42-52) 5 10 0
Colorado Rockies (41-53) 6 11 0
W: Axford (3-3) L: Mattheus (1-2)
FanGraphs Win Probability | Box Score

The Good
–Joey Votto collected three hits in five at-bats, including a game-tying homer in the top of the ninth inning. Joey Votto is a good baseball player.

–All in all, not a bad outing by Anthony DeSclafani. Seven innings, three runs allowed on seven hits. I’ll take that.

–Tucker Barnhart reached all four times he went to the plate: 1-1 with three walks. Good stuff.

–Reds had five doubles and a triple on the night: Brandon Phillips, Todd Frazier, Ivan DeJesus, Jr., Jay Bruce, and Skip Schumaker had the doubles. Marlon Byrd hit his second triple of the season.

–DeJesus’ double was of the two-run variety.

The Bad
–Reds lose on a Ryan Mattheus wild pitch in the bottom of the ninth. A walkoff wild pitch. That’s just perfect. Without Aroldis Chapman throwing a pitch, as Chris noted.

–JJ Hoover surrendered a Carlos Gonzalez homer with one out in the bottom of the eighth that permitted the Rockies to tie the game at 4. Next batter: Nolan Arenado tripled, and scored later in the inning on a sacrifice fly. Not good, Hoover. Not good.*

*Hoover needs to thank Votto for the fact that he didn’t get hung with a loss tonight.

–Billy Hamilton couldn’t get a squeeze bunt down in the 8th, and the Reds gave up a great opportunity to extend their lead. Hamilton was 0-4 on the night. Sigh….

Not-So-Random Thoughts
–Just say that again, slowly: our Redlegs lost on a walkoff wild pitch. After leading the game by a run going into the bottom of the eighth. Classic Reds.

–Joey Votto has had four straight multi-hit games, and six in the eight games since the All-Star break. Is that good? It seems good. He’s now hitting .302/.416/.522. He has a higher OPS than everyone’s hero Todd Frazier.

–The Redlegs have lost three one-run games in four outings against the Rockies this year. I don’t know what that means, but it’s interesting.

–CarGo hit two homers, which is good for my fantasy team, but not good for my Redlegs. (Votto helped my fantasy team, too, though.)

–Does anyone else think it’s a bad sign that Skip Schumaker has as many doubles as Brandon Phillips this year? BP’s power has disappeared.

–The Cincinnati Reds National League Baseball Club makes me sad sometimes. Go Reds.

66 Responses

  1. sunbreakthedawn

    Thanks Chad for the late night west coast duty.
    I hope they keep the offensive core and get big trade returns for Cueto, Leake and Chapman.

    • redmountain

      I was thinking about this last night, Lets just say that Cueto and Leake are traded, who are the five starters? DeSlafani, Stephenson, Lorenzen, Iglesias, Cingrani? And if Chapman is traded does Hoover close? The Reds are asking an arm and a leg for Chapman, but the other two are almost certainly going to be traded. However, they will be unlikely to yield anything more than prospects for a year or two from now. Are they wiser to take the two competitive balance picks they would get?

      • Gaffer

        You mean 1 for Cueto, no way they offer Leake 14 million. They already have told him him will be traded this year.

  2. ohiojimw

    The bullpen loses another one (twice).

    The WP was a WP; but, the ball came up off the ground well directly in front of Barnhart and deflected off of his glove. It appeared he was “handcuffed” as he tried to field it. IMO, he should have shown better situational awareness and just tried to block it with his body. If it careens off of him under those circumstances, I would have had no quarrel with how he tried to play it.

    But the underlying point is that this team finds ways to lose time and time again. In the end it is the players who make the mistakes or don’t perform; but, when it happens again and again in so many varying ways, that is a sign of failure of leadership by the manager and coaches.

    • CommonSense

      Should have intentionally walked Tulo instead of trying to pitch around him

      • ohiojimw

        That was a heck of a choice the Reds faced to try and get out of the 9th, wasn’t it, Tulo, Cargo, or Aredondo?

        I think I’m with you. Walk Tulo and bring in Chapman to face Cargo because Chapman has been deadly versus LH hitters of late. Of course Barnhart was catching; and, he and Chapman seem to mix like oil and water.

    • Evan armstrong

      Or could it be due to an inability of the players not executing and or performing.

  3. UglyStrike

    The opportunity to do something beneficial for this team during this trade period seems to be slipping away just as this game did.

  4. pinson343

    They don’t have Hamilton’s missed bunt attempt on the video highlights. I assume it was a suicide squeeze. Was the pitch in the strike zone ?

    • ohiojimw

      Yes and yes. He flat missed a very buntable pitch. I was listening to the Reds radio and watching FoxOH. Brantley (radio) gave him a pretty good tongue lashing for having happy feet, i.e. not staying at home in the batter’s box with his feet set until he had made contact.

      • ohiojimw

        I didn’t mean to infer he tried to drag it because he didn’t. He squared then did a drop step type action with his right foot and turned his body partially toward 1B as he attempted to bunt it. Apparently he does this a lot; and, it is one of Brantley’s pet peeves as the reason why he has so much trouble bunting effectively.

      • greenmtred

        It also looked to me as though he bailed on it because he was heading for first before he made contact. That was so horrifying that I abandoned ship shortly after. Billy needs to learn to bunt, and Price needs to not have him do it until he improves.

      • B-town Fan

        The pitch was right down the middle, belt high and strait as an arrow. No excuses for missing that Bunt! Chris Welsh even sounded exasperated and he’s usually pretty positive.

      • pinson343

        Thanks, Jim. I tried to answer last night but my reply wouldn’t post.

        I keep hearing that Hamilton’s top offensive priority is to master execution of bunting, both bunting for hits and bunting in this kind of situation. Yet he executes poorly in this same way repeatedly. I know that he’s worked hard with Hatcher on his bunting, don’t know what to say.

        I’m glad that no one is blaming that failure on Price, it was a good call in that situation, including the 2-1 count.

      • Steve Mancuso

        Hamilton’s failed bunting episodes crash into the “Billy learns so fast, he’s a fast learner, a really fast learner” narrative. Seems to me.

      • charlottencredsfan

        Unfortunately, whatever your opinion is of Hamilton’s bunting skills, this is probably it. Worked extensively with DeShields in the off-season and Hatcher during this season, and who knows how much in the minors.

        I wouldn’t waste another minute working on bunting with the kid; he needs to develop a hitting approach that works. I see signs of progress but the soft stuff is going to be an issue for a while (K’s). As long as starts hitting the ball hard, I’m good with it. It is the price that will have to be paid and second half of this season is the right time.

      • charlottencredsfan

        “Happy Feet” extends to Billy’s hitting wows period. Teaching little guys to hit live pitching, I always associated “happy feet” with fear of getting hit by the ball. BHam is using a new leg kick that in theory should better “enforce” a balanced center of gravity and a strong base to ht from. If he manages a way to incorporate “happy feet” with the new leg kick, by some miracle, we may have a scared Little Leaguer on our hands.Gotta hang in there Hammy!

      • pinson343

        You pointed that out the other day, Charlotte. It seems like he got off to a good start with it, in terms of driving the ball for a couple of games. But the leg kick won’t help his bunting.

      • charlottencredsfan

        Pinson if he “hits” better, it will help his bunting far more than several more months of bunting “instruction”. Total waste of time, IMO.

    • sezwhom

      Yes it was and most definitely. Chris Welsh, who rarely has anything bad to say, had choice words for Hamilton. He has got to get that down….fastball down the middle too…

  5. Matthew Watkins

    Teams are making moves….c’mon Reds do something. Don’t just sit there and let good things not happen.

    • Evan armstrong

      Reds can’t do anything if other teams are not offering fair value in return.

      • BigRedMike

        Maybe the Reds idea of fair value is too high. It might be turning into a buyers market. The Reds might be waiting too long to make a move.

      • Gaffer

        That is debatable, I have heard that Castellini has made it so hard to agree on players that some think he doesn’t want to trade anyone. Market value depends on the market.

  6. Jeff Morris

    Reds continue to lose close games….because they don’t play smart. They can’t get down a bunt, or an error by somebody, or get thrown out trying to get an extra base or something. Always Always happens with these Reds!

  7. Carl Sayre

    I have noticed that BP hits to his spot in the lineup. His power has been traded for a shorter swing hitting lead off. I was just commenting on him adjusting his hitting depending what is expected of the spot in the line up. I think if the chance comes the Reds should trade away his salary but so far I haven’t seen that his downturn is so drastic that the doom and gloom folks have been raising cain about. The chance he is going to have that major drop off before the end of the contract but so far it hasn’t happened.

    • BigRedMike

      Phillips has a wRC+ of 86, lowest of his career and it is dropping each season. ISO is under .100. He is in decline. 18th among qualified second basemen in wRC+ and ISO.

      Not much the Reds can do, doubtful he can be traded. Just have to learn to not give players contracts like the one Phillips

    • pinson343

      BP absolutely hits to his spot in the lineup (to a fault, bat him 2nd and he keeps bunting, even when he’s not asked to). But there has been a gradual decline. He used to hit HRs while batting leadoff.

  8. Evan armstrong

    Many here are dying for the Reds to trade someone. As of now there has been only one significant deal done and it seems some here where not impressed at the return the A’s got. We will never know what other teams will have or will offer but if fair value doesn’t come in then should Walt not just hold and get the draft pick?

    • tct

      What the A’s got was much better than a sandwich round pick. The catcher, Nottingham, is having a huge year, destroying A ball and high A as a 20 year old catcher, and is considered a top 100 prospect right now. The reason people were down on that trade is because they just looked at the preseason list and saw that he wasn’t in the top 15-20 Astros prospects. But a lot can change in 5-6 months, especially for 19 and 20 year olds. He’s now one of the Astros top 5-10 prospects.

      I would also imagine that Beane is high on this guy and thinks he is one of the top 50-75 prospects in baseball. He probably sees this trade as buying low on a breakout prospect.

      At this point, if the Reds end up with just a draft pick for Cueto it will be a disaster. Compared to what they could have gotten for him last July or this off season, a draft pick is nothing. Heck, what they could have gotten for him just two months ago dwarfs a draft pick. If this scenario happens, the Reds will deserve all the ridicule they get.

      • Tom Gray

        The Reds don’t need a C destroying A ball pitching right now.

        Cueto and Leake will bring MiLB prospects in return. In Reds trading history, the MiLB prospects don’t work out very often. Aaron Harang is an exception to that.

      • tct

        What in the world are you on about? The Reds don’t need prospects? You are aware that every major leaguer was once a prospect? That Devin Mesoraco was once a 21 year old catcher destroying A ball in his breakout year and was in the majors by August of the next year, right? And who should the Reds trade for if not prospects? There’s no point trading for veterans that will only be here a year or two. And good young players who have already had major league success are rarely traded and have ridiculous trade value.

        I’m sure everybody enjoys your constant history lessons. But anything that happened prior to free agency and the current service time structure is irrelevant to the Reds current situation. Anything that happened during the steroid era when the aging curve was different is irrelevant. Anything that happened before the advent of the wild card and three division format is irrelevant. And so on. The only thing that is relevant is the Reds current situation, the current market, and the state of the game today.

      • Tom Diesman

        Took a few minutes to list out some more exceptions for you:

        George Foster, Cesar Geronimo, Sean Casey, Dmitri Young, Hal Morris, Edwin Encarnacion, Pedro Borbon, John Franco, Ted Power, Norm Charlton, Danny Graves, Edinson Volquez

    • tct

      Also, if Walt can’t get anything better than a draft pick for Cueto and Leake, and if he can’t get a solid prospect package for Chapman, then he has no business even being in a MLB front office,.much less.sitting in the GM chair.

      It takes 2 to make a trade. If you aren’t getting any good proposals, then make.some.counter.offers. Get.your scouts out there and find some.guys you think are undervalued, like Billy Beane did. Think outside the box. Sitting back and waiting for a perfect package and then whining if you don’t get it is not how a major league GM.should operate. There are no excuses here if the Reds can’t make something happen with two of the best starters and the best reliever on the market.

      • mtkal

        I normally don’t put any stock into those “like” or “up/down” options for posts on some web sites, but just for this post I need a “like” or “thumbs up” button. Very well said.

      • Tom Gray

        Jocketty has a pretty good trading record for Reds and Cardinals.

        I think he knows how to make a trade.

  9. DHud

    The Cardinals have already made a trade to improve their ball club and the Reds haven’t. Who would have seen that coming. As much as we all loathe the Cardinals, this is just one example of why they are a much better run organization than the Reds. They actually actively look to improve the team

    • RedAlert

      So true – year after year after year

      • Tom Gray

        (Clipped from 2007 ESPN article)

        Jocketty was hired in 1994 and took over a team that hadn’t
        reached the playoffs since 1987. He hired La Russa before the 1996
        season, and the Cardinals reached the NL Championship Series, where
        they lost to Atlanta in seven games.

        St. Louis won six NL Central titles, one wild card and two NL
        pennants under Jocketty. After failing to spend much on free agents
        last winter, the Cardinals faded to a 78-84 record this year and a
        third-place finish behind Chicago and Milwaukee.

        As GM, Jocketty has had many successes. He traded three marginal
        players for Mark McGwire in 1997. A year later, McGwire hit a
        then-record 70 home runs.

        Jocketty acquired Will Clark for the 2000 stretch run after
        McGwire was injured, and Clark helped lead the Cardinals to the
        NLCS. His trade with the Phillies brought Scott Rolen to St. Louis; he dealt J.D. Drew to Atlanta for Adam Wainwright, now one of
        the team’s best pitchers; and he acquired Jim Edmonds from Anaheim
        in 2000 for pitcher Kent Bottenfield and infielder Adam Kennedy.

        Jocketty also acquired Larry Walker in a 2004 move that helped
        get St. Louis to the World Series, where they lost in a four-game
        sweep to Boston. And last season’s trade-deadline pickup of pitcher
        Jeff Weaver proved valuable when Weaver won a game in each round of
        the postseason, including the decisive Game 5 of the World Series.

    • Tom Gray

      As they were with Jocketty as their GM.

      Probably the best organization in NL all-time. Second only to Yankees in MLB.

  10. jamesgarrett

    The Reds are a bad team with several good players.Its the little things that cost them games.As a fan to me its a given to be able to bunt or hit to the opposite field or just put the ball in play sometimes.Executing these little things win games or failing to do them lose games.I am a big Billy supporter but one thing he does more then anybody is bunt so he ought to be able to get one down.

  11. cfd3000

    I hate that this year, this is what I’ve come to expect from this team. In the last few days, 5-0 and 3-0 leads in the middle innings, gone. 7 extra base hits, wasted. Easy suicide squeeze, botched. Save opportunities, blown. Second chances, wasted. I love the Reds. I love watching Votto hit. I love watching Hamilton run the bases. I love watching Leake and Cueto and Chapman pitch. But I’m not loving watching this team right now. Sigh…

  12. jnewm777

    This game was a reflection of the last two years where they just find a way to lose. The Reds of the late-1990’s early-2000’s were bad teams that through the creativity of management somehow managed to catch enough lightning in a bottle to win 70 to 80 games. The Reds teams of the last couple of years are at-best mediocre teams that through the inaction and stubbornness of the front office will manage to win 70 to 80 games. I’m in no way wanting a return to the Jim Bowden era as his neglect of the farms system was a primary reason that those teams were bad, but Jesus – do something!

    • pinson343

      I don’t want another Bowden either, but he did manage to wheel and deal his way to a division leading team in 1994 (strike year), division winner in 1995, and the 1999 team that won 96 games. Also in 2000 the Reds won 85 games, good enough today for 1 game bhind the 2nd WC.

      Losing seasons from 2001 thru 2009 due to lack of starting pitching. The offense and the bullpen kept things interesting a few seasons until an August collapse.

  13. mtkal

    Well, at least Chapman is rested. . . SMH.

  14. DavidTurner49

    Closer rules rule again. Why not bring in a rested Chapman with the lead in the 8th to face the heart of the Rockies’ order? Chappie mght have blown it too, but when it’s over at least you know they beat your best.

    • pinson343

      That’s obviously the logical thing to do, and a good chance the Reds win last night if Chapman pitches the 8th and Hoover the 9th. But managers are caught up in rigidly defined “roles”. They defend that by saying the players prefer well-defined roles.

      That defense is crap. Bullpen pitchers thrived for decades while being used in flexible ways. More than anything else, the players want to win. Managers who break the “rules” and do what it takes to win (like Bochy and Maddon) are well-liked by their players, who don’t complain about what’s my role.

  15. sezwhom

    Good luck to 6 & 6 Cueto tonight. Actually, good luck to us. Not the best place to toss a gem.

    • pinson343

      Despite his last 2 starts, Cueto has pitched a lot better than his 6-6 would indicate. But yes he needs a good start tonight. Three bad starts in a row will have people scratching their heads, because it rarely happens to him.

  16. Playtowin

    Hamilton can not hit or bunt. Cueto needs to pitch a gem tonight to convince GM’s he is not damaged goods. The Reds will get a draft pick for Cueto only if they offer him a qualifying offer for one year at about $15 million. They can only do this on one player so they can not do it on Leake if they do it on Cueto. They will not offer Leake $15 million if Cueto is traded and for some reason Leake is still here. Leake will be traded for anything that moves. The definite moves are Cueto, Leake, Byrd. Jim Bowden thinks the Reds will get a premium prospect or two for Cueto. I am not sure 2 months of a questionably healthy Cueto will get that kind of return. I think Reds fans will be disappointed. So will Bob C. They need to keep Bruce and Chapman and review things over the winter when they can discuss trades with the other 29 teams. They should have done it last winter with Cueto and Leake. The All-Star game messed with their thinking.

    • Tom Gray

      Agree – Cueto, Leake, and Byrd must / will be traded for MiLB prospects.

      If Bruce and Chapman are traded this winter, they may bring a better return. Hard to say. Other teams know the Reds are in a pickle.

      Reds will take their lumps from 2015 until 2018.

      • Tom Diesman

        Reds are already taking their lumps. This is the 5th losing season in Walt Jocketty’s 8 years at the helm.

      • Tom Gray

        I guess you hadn’t noticed 9 straight L-ing seasons before 2010.

        The Reds are a terrible franchise over the past 25 years.

      • Tom Diesman

        Sure did, the last two of which were on Walt’s watch. Now you’re predicting three more, which will give him 8 losers in 11. Which pretty much matches the 17 losing seasons in the last 25. So was that supposed to put Walt in a good light?

      • Tom Gray Jocketty was GM for 3 Reds playoff appearances. The 3 prior to him go all the way back to 1979 before you get the 4th playoff appearance by Reds.

        The Reds have been 1st in NL Central twice under him. Ditto 1995 and 1990 then all the way back to 1979 again before you get to 3rd NL Central title.

        The Reds suck (for the most part) ever since the 1970’s, They suck less under Jocketty than they usually do.

  17. Tom Gray

    Clipped from Lance McAlister:

    I’d offer this advice to fans:

    Chapman is a shiny object…blink
    Realize there is more to baseball than flames shooting out of the smoke stakes and free pizza. The closer is the most overrated position in the history of sports. The Reds will find more value in trading Chapman, than keeping him to save games for a non-contender this year and next year.

    Be prepared for no-names
    *The likelihood is high that the players the Reds acquire in any deal will be players that you won’t know. That’s OK. They will be prospects that you will hopefully get to know. This link will come in handy. It included a prospect ranking for each team.

    Be prepared for a letdown
    *Walt Jocketty might very well take a “lesser” deal for Cueto than he would like.
    If the Reds keep Cueto through the end of the season, and then he walks in free agency, two things happen:
    1. They have to pay him the remaining $3.3M on his 2015 contract
    2. They will get a compensation pick following the first round that will cost around $2M to sign.
    Is keeping Cueto worth spending what amounts to $5.3M to get a compensation pick?
    The same argument applies to Leake. He is owed $3M on his remaining 2015 contract.

    Read more:

    • pinson343

      There’s sort of a paradox. The closer is arguably the most overrated position in the history of sports, but blowing a 9th inning lead in baseball is one of the most deflating losses in sports. It doesn’t just demoralize the fans, it demoralizes the players too. Multiple such losses wear a team down.

      I guess the answer is that a pitcher doesn’t have to be that good to be an effective closer, but needs to be consistent and someone who doesn’t melt down when things start to go badly.

  18. tgarretson82

    Heard rumor Bruce for an injured Zack Wheeler. I know the injury but my god when he’s healthy he is top of the rotation kind of guy.

  19. Playtowin

    Wheeler is an injured prospect which is worse than a plain prospect. As some wise person said all prospects are suspects until they prove otherwise. The Reds will get real value for Chapman and save $3 million this year and $12 million next year if they move him now. Move enough of these guys and the Reds may be able to afford Todd Frazier.

  20. jamesgarrett

    I can’t see Walt doing anything beyond trading the guys he can’t or won’t sign next year.I would be happy with a couple of prospects each for Cueto and Leake.I would listen to every offer for everybody but I doubt we would get even close to equal value for any of the core players.Chapman is interesting because he could bring a big haul from a team that’s already solid in the pen.He can shorten the game by an inning or two and that is a winning formula come playoff time.We shall see and the clock is ticking.Walt said he had a short term and a long term plan.Kind of like saying I am covering my backside regardless of which way I go.

    • Jay King

      All that means is he is going to give us some song and dance on why he couldn’t complete any trades. I have begun to doubt that Jocketty can pull the trigger on anything worth while at the deadline anymore. Please prove me wrong Walt!!!!!

      • Tom Gray

        Cueto, Leake, and Byrd will bring back MiLB prospects.

        Chapman and Bruce should bring more but maybe not in mid summer. Perhaps more in winter.

        Jocketty has made good trades during the summer and also in the winter for the Cardinals and Reds.

        Do some research and see if you agree.