The Reds (38-44) wrap up the first half of 2015 with a four game set against the Marlins (35-50). Last time the Reds faced the Marlins in late June, the Reds took the series 2-1 on the back of two strong pitching performances by Mike Leake and Michael Lorenzen. After yesterday’s rainout, Lorenzen will take the mound in today’s series opener instead.

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Lorenzen’s stats are 2015, Fernandez are 2014:

Jose Fernandez 2.44 2.18 0.70 6.3% 34.2%
Michael Lorenzen 3.58 5.88 1.65 12.4% 14.9%

Advanced stats still paint a dour picture of Reds’ rook Michael Lorenzen, but the young righty has yet to see his ERA shoot up like the numbers say it should. His last start wasn’t exactly smooth sailing though–the Brewers touched Lorenzen for three runs in 4.0 innings on two homers, five total hits, and two walks. In his start against the Marlins back in June, Lorenzen was lights out, taking the win after 7.0 innings of an eight hit, two run gem. That start against the Marlins is also only one of two starts this season that Lorenzen has managed to walk just one batter.

What if I told you that over the past two years, Michael Lorenzen had made more starts than Jose Fernandez? Probably wouldn’t be that surprising actually since Fernandez’s bout with Tommy John was the big headline of spring 2014. Fernandez will be making his second start of 2015 tonight after taking the win in a 6.0 inning, three-run affair against the Giants. Oh, and Fernandez hit a solo shot in the fifth inning of that game.


I wonder if Yorman Rodriguez hasn’t gotten a start yet because Bryan Price’s muscle memory won’t let him write a lineup other than what’s on the field tonight:

1. Brandon Phillips (R) 2B
2. Joey Votto (L) 1B
3. Todd Frazier (R) 3B
4. Jay Bruce (L) RF
5. Marlon Byrd (R) LF
6. Eugenio Suarez (R) SS
7. Tucker Barnhart (S) C
8. Michael Lorenzen (R) P
9. Billy Hamilton (S) CF

A Marlins’ lineup without Giancarlo Stanton is like an ice cream sundae without the ice cream or chocolate sauce. All your left with is whipped cream and a cocktail cherry. That is to say, a bunch of nothing with Dee Gordon on top:

1. Dee Gordon (L) 2B
2. Christian Yelich (L) CF
3. Adeiny Hechavarria (R) SS
4. Justin Bour (L) 1B
5. Michael Morse (R) LF
6. Derek Dietrich (L) 3B
7. Cole Gillespie (R) RF
8. Jeff Mathis (R) C
9. Jose Fernandez (R) P


When the Reds called up Yorman Rodriguez three days ago, the Nation collectively thought we may be starting to see the beginnings of a “youth movement” and rejuvenation of the team. Since then? Nada.


Give him the sendoff he deserves. Vote Johnny.

With the last series of the first half upon us, hopefully Walt & Friends’ dreams of grandeur are fading into the rearview for 2015. Michael wrote earlier today about the need to hitch up the wagons and take the hard day’s ride to 2016. There’s nothing left for the Reds in the overpopulated contending mecca that is 2015, but sunnier shores are on the horizon.


51 Responses

    • msanmoore

      Cuz Merica, Closer Rules, Pitch Counts, etc.

  1. msanmoore

    “Muscle memory” … I like that image.

    At least they aren’t blacked out in my area tonight. Now if the feed will only behave …

  2. RedAlert

    What’s the excuse for not starting Rodriguez tonight ??? What a freaking joke this organization is – guess he hasn’t marinated on the bench enough

    • RedAlert

      Walt and Price show – don’t even know what to say about it any longer – certainly rivals a three-ring circus on a daily and nightly basis

  3. Sharmz

    Has anyone asked Price what Yorman’s role on the team is?

    • Indy Red Man

      Same as Cingrani’s role when Kevin was “Gregging” it up in the 7th and 8th. There is no making sense of their decisions?

  4. Tom Gray

    Price has got to go (somewhere else). Start there and fix the rest over time.

    • Vicferrari

      I really do not see this as a line-up issue, its a philosophy issue. Are you rebuilding or not. Makes no sense to call up a 22 year old if you are not going to play him, when you got vets like Satin that sit in his spot on the bench.
      Doug Gray asks a very realistic question…one that should start with a GM getting axed before anybody else if there is not a good answer. To me this is not a Price issue

  5. Shchi Cossack

    I think the Old Cossack has the answer for the Reds’ handling of prospects, specifically regarding Y-Rod. The Reds value toolsy, HR hitting prospects above all else. As long as Y-Rod fit that mold, he was on the fast track as a prospect. Y-Rod came to the personal realization that his lack of plate discpline was simply not going to fly in the upper minors, so he diligently worked on a more professional hitting approach with significant success.

    The Reds noticed and that left the Reds management with a problem. If they permitted such callous disregard for their development and hitting philosophies, other prospects were sure to follow that example and they couldn’t have such a revolt in their development ranks. If they openly chastized and disciplined a prospect for having success outside their antiquated hitting and development philosophies, they would look like fools. Ergo…promote him to the 25-man roster and sit him on the bench until his newly developed hitting skills erode away.

    Brilliant!!! I have a new appreciation for the management skills of the WJ regime.

  6. seat101

    YR is not trade bait. Therefore, not much reason to play him, yet. He will survive sitting down for his first two weeks in Cincinnati.

    He will probably see a lot more time in the field after the1rst.

  7. hof13

    Just saw Gordon is expected to be out 8 weeks. Reds should definitely be on the phone with KC.

  8. Eric the Red

    I’m surprised no one is speculating that there’s a rift between Price and Walt. Walt brings a guy up, Price won’t play him. Walt wants to trade a pitcher, Price sends him back out for the 9th in a game we’re leading 5-0. Cingrani being stretched out to start in Louisville, Price….well, we’ll see. Price needs to win to keep his job, and he probably thinks this lineup gives him the best chance to do that; playing Rodriguez might not fit that agenda.

    • Vicferrari

      Sounds to me like you are just grasping at straws to create controversy. Who in the right mind takes out a pitcher throwing a shutout with a little over 100 pitches after 8? This clearly was a call-up to add a bat for 3 days until the 5th start was needed until an unforeseen rain out made that move obsolete.I have no idea why Satin was not brought up but that is a WJ issue and not Price.
      Cingrani’s handling has been awful but how is that have anything to do with Price and WJ’s supposed rift?

  9. Eric the Red

    I remember the first time I saw Fernandez pitch; I was blown away. It’s hard not to root for him; I hope the Reds jump all over him, but otherwise I hope he stays healthy and pitches well.

  10. msanmoore

    Ump is giving a low strike tonight – could be fun to watch Lorenzen.

  11. Janet

    Has anyone noticed that the pitcher has the second best batting average in the lineup (both lineups)?

    • Janet

      No longer true now that both pitchers have gone 0-1. You’ll probably never see that again your whole life.

    • jdx19

      Fernandez with 1 game before this one.

  12. msanmoore

    Marlon Byrd continuing to stabilize his trade value.

    • Vicferrari

      Batting .350 during a 12 game hit streak

  13. Eric the Red

    I’m glad the Marlins didn’t challenge that. A) They might well have won it. B) I hate how replay turns tag plays into an adventure. If the ball beats the guy there like that, he should be out.

    • Vicferrari

      Do not know if it is my imagination but it seems Suarez has been terrible at getting the tag down. For the life of me why do not fielders keep the tag on the runners they often overslide

    • Vicferrari

      Gameday showed it right on the edge

      • seat101

        The replay made it look like a strike. The ump has been calling a low strikes zone.

        Agreed to disagree, eh?

      • msanmoore

        Correction – the ump has a VERY low zone tonight.

  14. Indy Red Man

    I don’t get why so many people on here are kind of down on Lorenzen? Yeah…he can be wild and sometimes he’s wild right down the middle of the plate w/2 strikes but not many guys can just rare back and throw it by people at 96-97 mph. He’s among the NL leaders and right behind Cueto with batting avg allowed w/risp and his Ks will rise when he quits falling behind so many people at 2-0. Cueto changes speeds so well and that might come w/experience for Lorenzen. I love his delivery, his demeanor, and he’s a great athlete. I think he’ll be a #1 or #2 workhorse like Kevin Brown of the 90s Rangers.

    • Vicferrari

      Hopefully but he has been incredibly lucky, like the 3rd

    • Vicferrari

      In appx 35 fewer innings he has allowed more Hr’s and more baserunners than Cueto and the lack of strikeouts and high pitch counts are troubling. Hopefully he will build on a decent rookie season he is developing.

    • msanmoore

      He’s a kid … he’s still learning the ropes. I like him and Dee Gordon is the one beating us tonight. Well him and the fact that we can’t hit again. Must have left the hitting team in DC waiting for the questionable rain out game to be played.

    • Vicferrari

      Actually a pretty good start by the rookie, too bad its looking like shutout city the way Fernandez is throwing

  15. Sharmz

    Did Lorenzen walk this many people in the minors?

    • Janet

      No, he did not. It seems all our rookie pitchers have had problems with walks this year that they have not had in the past. I chalk it up to an adjustment period.

  16. msanmoore

    Time for Joey to find his wallet

    • jdx19

      3 for 6 with a homer and double in back to back games against Scherzer/Fernandez. I think you’d have taken that if I offered it before the last 2 games. 😉

  17. magi210

    Time to invoke the Major League rule: 20 pushups every time Billy hits it in the air.

  18. jdx19

    Skip Schumaker Fun Fact of the Day:

    Schumaker Career Home Runs: 27
    Giancarlo Stanton 2015 Home Runs: 27

  19. hof13

    Fernandez, I believe they said is 24 – 0 at home. Winning this one would have taken a near perfect start by Lorenzen

    • jdx19

      I think it was 13-0 in 21 starts, maybe? So, he could have been bailed out by his offense and gotten off the hook for a loss.

      Either way, getting shut out by a guy who has thrown 12 major league innings in the last 15 months isn’t too thrilling.