Well, sometimes you win, and sometimes you’re blanked by a soft-tossing lefty in his Major League debut. It’s baseball, it happens. Regardless, the Reds (31-36) look to take the series from the Marlins on this beautiful (albeit a bit rainy) Father’s Day afternoon. Baseball is by far the most father-y of sports, so if you’re still looking for a way to hang out with or honor your dad, why not go on down to a Reds game?

All stats are 2015 actuals:

David Phelps 3.96 3.49 0.62 6.1% 16.1%
Michael Lorenzen 3.70 5.85 1.48 13.5% 14.4%

Michael Lorenzen rebounded his last time out after a disastrous start against the Cubs. In Detroit, Lorenzen went 6.0 innings allowing two runs (one earned) on six hits and three walks. It’s the walks that have been Lorenzen’s downfall this season, and in his past five starts, he has walked at least three batters a game. Over those 29.2 innings, Lorenzen has walked 18 batters for 5.46 BB/9. Comparatively, Lorenzen has only given up 20 hits in that same time span.

David Phelps came to the Marlins this offseason in a five-player trade with the Yankees that showcased Nathan Eovaldi going North with two others and Phelps and Martin Prado flying south. In his last start, Phelps squared off against Eovaldi in New York and took the win after 7.0 innings of two run ball. Save one 3.0 inning, nine run outing, Phelps has been a solid addition to this Marlins’ staff, only failing to last 6.0 innings three times in 12 starts.

Bryan Price is going with the same Reds‘ lineup as yesterday, hoping it clicks this time around:

1. Brandon Phillips (R) 2B
2. Joey Votto (L) 1B
3. Todd Frazier (R) 3B
4. Jay Bruce (L) RF
5. Brayan Pena (S) C
6. Marlon Byrd (R) LF
7. Eugenio Suarez (R) SS
8. Michael Lorenzen (R) P
9. Billy Hamilton (S) CF

The Marlins‘ lineup (which was posted very late):

1. Dee Gordon (L) 2B
2. Derek Dietrich (L) 3B
3. Christian Yelich (L) LF
4. Giancarlo Stanton (R) RF
5. Marcell Ozuna (R) CF
6. Justin Bour (L) 1B
7. Jeff Mathis (R) C
8. Adeiny Hechavarria (R) SS
9. David Phelps (R) P


ESPN is running a great slate of articles today about baseball players and their dads, check them out here:
A Q&A with Clayton Kershaw
Pictures of baseball dads with their children
A tribute to father and his passion for baseball

Yesterday, the Braves traded Phil Gosselin to the Diamondbacks for former Red Bronson Arroyo and Touki Toussiant, the Dbacks 2014 first round pick. Basically, the trade boils down to the Dbacks dumping Arroyo’s $9.5 million salary, and the Braves seizing an opportunity to pick up a really good pitching prospect. Arroyo is currently coming back from Tommy John surgery and to his credit, handled the trade like an absolute professional.

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The Dbacks-Braves trade gives me hope that maybe, just maybe, the Reds can get a decent return for Cueto and Leake. Now, the Toussaint deal was made with a specific goal in mind that the Reds don’t share, but it could possibly be a sellers’ market…Mad Max Scherzer might actually be superhuman if we’re going off of his last two starts. 1-hit in the past 18.0 innings, whew…Also, Vandy plays UVa in a rematch of last year’s championship in the CWS starting Monday.


67 Responses

  1. ohiojimw

    Arroyo is due the unpaid balance of his 2014 salary of $9.5M for this year or ~$5M (just eyeballed it in) plus a $4.5M buyout against $13M salary next. Gosselin is making the MLB minimum. So the Bravos basically bought Toussaint for around $9.25M. This sounds more like an international football (soccer) transaction that a baseball trade.

    For my money, the Braves should be a guide for the path the Reds should take. They are staying competitive while reloading on the fly with MLB and near MLB level talent and still finding ways to backfill their farm system.

    • jdx19

      It’d be nice if the Reds could go the Braves path, but the Braves had no intention of being anywhere near competitive this year. It’s been a pleasant surprise for them, I’d say.

      • RedAlert


      • ohiojimw

        True to a degree but the Braves were always looking to their new stadium in the exurbs (~2017) as their target date; so they were thinking quick rebuild on the fly to a degree as opposed to blowing things up and starting from scratch.

        When you take on players at or nearer to the MLB level, there is less likelihood of misfiring and ending up back at the starting line before you ever really get anywhere.

        And I think the Reds have a better core to build from be that by flipping them or keeping them.

      • ohiojimw

        the question of course is who do the Reds flip and who do they keep. That’s not totally in their control because it depends on who other teams will give for the Reds specific players.

    • tct

      The Braves were in a very similar situation as the Reds were this off season, but they chose to try to acquire young talent and rebuild, while the Reds really didn’t. Kimbrel was similar to Chapman, albeit with a bit longer deal. Heyward, and J.Upton were very similar to Cueto and Latos. It’s not really fair to compare BP to BJ Upton, but they were both declining veterans with a good deal of money left.on their contracts. The best comparison for Gattis.would probably have been Frazier, but Jay Bruce would work, too. And the Braves traded all those guys, while the Reds only traded Latos.

      The Braves went from a below average farm to a top 10, maybe top 5, farm in the course of one off season. They also got some major league talent, too.

      • tct

        The downside is that the Braves attendance is down about 5,000 per game since last year. On the other hand, they shed about 20 million in payroll.

        They Reds are right in the middle of the pack in attendance, just as they were last year, with about 30,000 per game. This is actually more than they averaged in 2010 and 2012. Attendance will probably take a short term hit from a rebuild. But they will come back once it is time to win again. Not rebuilding, and slipping into a spiral of mediocrity will cause attendance to fall, too. Just more slowly

  2. User1022

    I’m still waiting for the official RLN report on Mesoraco finally getting surgery. I have said from the start that trying him in LF was a dumb idea and just a way of delaying the inevitable. To wit: The hip gives him trouble every time he squats (supposedly). So are you trying to tell me that a LF NEVER has need to squat? Better hope no balls roll to the wall and if they do you better bend awkwardly from the waist to field them. Besides, the Reds are most likely going nowhere this season, why risk the future of one of their young core players on a lost season?

    Just a terribly handled situation with poor decision after poor decision. Glad Mez is finally taking the steps to get right for next season.

    Get well soon, Devin!

    • ohiojimw

      if one believes the hip doc, the underlying injury was what it was and could’t be made worse by playing OF. I don’t think he promised it the pain might not reach a tipping point which is what it sounds like happened.

      • User1022

        Genreally speaking, I would think if pain is getting worse, that means your body is telling you to stop doing whatever you’re doing because you’re causing harm.

        Either way, it was a needless and pointless risk to take.

      • Dr. K

        I don’t understand why it was “needless and pointless.” There are some Reds fans who are never satisfied. The team’s offense was dreadful for an extended period of time, and they were woefully short on OFs. Mesoraco’s bat in the middle of the lineup changes the entire dynamic of the team for the better. If there was little to no risk of further damaging his hip, and there was a chance that he could contribute to this season (and possibly find a new position that would have the potential to have less strain on his body) then why not try it? The Reds get crushed (deservedly so in most cases) for lack of creativity and broader thinking, but then they get crushed when they do try to think out of the box. Can’t have it both ways.

      • ohiojimw

        And when he stops playing, the pain goes away but when he starts again the pain starts again and this cycle will always repeat until the underlying issue with the hip joint is fixed. Thus the pain is a symptom and not the problem from the doc’s point of view.

        The doc was saying that he couldn’t damage the hip anymore than it was already damaged or make it more difficult to fix or more likely that it could not ultimately be fixed.

        Don’t misunderstand me, I’ve had pain in that area of the body from inflammation and pressure on nerves from it. It is extremely uncomfortable and capable of being debilitating on its own aside from whatever it is that is actually causing the inflammation.

  3. wdwrolen2713

    I think it is funny that someone actually called THOM! out for dissing on Stanton last night. 🙂

  4. tct

    Man, I’ve always thought Todd was under rated, and have been a big fan for a while now. But I never envisioned him doing anything like this. I thought that maybe he has a 30 homer year, or possibly two, but he has a chance to have 30 at the All Star break.

  5. Kurt Frost

    datdudegidp. Did anyone see that coming?

    • jdx19

      yeeeep. mostly because Votto leads off innings more frequently than any non-leadoff hitter. (i don’t actually know this to be true) 😉

      • ohiojimw

        It does seem so doesn’t it. That’s why I’ve always thought the next highest OBP guy should bat immediately ahead of him with no potential outs in between.

  6. wdwrolen2713

    DatDudeDP sure has an appropriate twitter handle. Hmm…

    • msanmoore

      Think it popped off the heel of his glove.

  7. VaRedsFan

    Pirates, after winning 8 in a row, are down 6-0, and are in danger of getting swept. Have scored 1 run in the series so far.

  8. VaRedsFan

    There was talk about this yesterday, but other than Choo a few years ago, nobody on the Reds will lean in to take the HBP. Can’t blame them, but you see it all of time from other teams.

  9. msanmoore

    So what’s the projection for AB’s on Byrd if 1) he stays healthy and 2) we keep him that long?

    • VaRedsFan

      Steve posted it a day or 2 ago….around 500 AB’s if he played every game. But someone said it was based on plate appearances, not ?AB’s

  10. DHud

    If we could stop grounding into double plays, that would be great…

  11. VaRedsFan

    super relay to get the speedy Gordon at the plate!!!! Hamilton to BP to Pena

    • msanmoore

      Took 2 REALLY good throws to pull that off. Plus Billy had to field it “just so”. Like the outcome.

    • msanmoore

      Or do that … the weak fly out works for me.

    • VaRedsFan

      Another strong showing by Hoover

  12. Indy Red Man

    Lorenzen really snapped off those last 2 breaking balls to Stanton out of fear. Problem is…his breaking balls were just rolled up there to some of the other guys and hammered. Cueto relied too much on the heater when he came up too though and he turned out alright. I like Lorenzen a lot….not many starters avg. 95 on the heater and can crank it up to 97-98 when they feel like it

    • msanmoore

      Agreed. That part of our future looks bright.

  13. msanmoore

    Needed that 1-2-3 on 7 pitches. Only 80 through 6. Might we squeeze 7 out of Lorenzen today?

  14. msanmoore

    But the shift!!! Bruce can’t beat the shift …

    Pretty hit. And then the “almost” by Pena to follow. Love playing ahead.

  15. msanmoore

    Thom just admitted he knows “less and less” every day.

  16. msanmoore

    He Fraziered that one! Nice work, Mike!

  17. msanmoore

    99 pitches with only 2 runs and an IBB. Very nice work. This future keeps looking better.

    • Tom Gray

      2018 should be a fun year if the Reds successfully trade Cueto, Leake, Chapman, Frazier, Bruce, and Byrd in the next month.

      2016 or 2017, not so much.

      • Dr. K

        How can you possibly project what 2018 would be like if you trade ALL those players? Yes, I absolutely agree that the young pitchers are a great reason for hope which is one of the few bright spots of this season.

  18. VaRedsFan

    A couple of 3 hit games by Byrd and Suarez

  19. msanmoore

    11 hits today with over half by Byrd and Suarez.

  20. RedAlert

    Chapman rarely has a clean inning , rarely !

    • RedAlert

      Well, and looks like meltdown is coming – wow , just wow

  21. charlottencredsfan

    Chappy’s stock is dropping.

    • charlottencredsfan

      …….and now rising.☺

    • Vicferrari

      I was panicking too after the 4 pitch walk, but stock dropping there is no team that would pass up a chance to get Chapman if the price is right
      No one can throw like him

    • tct

      Since the blown save in Philly, Chapman has done this:

      8 IP 2 H 1 ER 4 BB 18K

  22. yorktownred

    Had ’em all the way. Nice comeback AC.

    • Vicferrari

      He just wants to show everyone he can pitch w the bases loaded