Headline: St. Louis Cardinals Investigated by F.B.I. for Hacking Astros

Boy, you sure hate to read this about such an upstanding organization.

Investigators have uncovered evidence that Cardinals officials broke into a network of the Houston Astros that housed special databases the team had built, according to law enforcement officials. Internal discussions about trades, proprietary statistics and scouting reports were compromised, the officials said.

Wonder what The Best Fans in Baseballâ„¢ think of this development.

(Thanks to loyal Nation commenter LWBlogger for the tip.)

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78 Responses

    • lwblogger2

      That’s the Chicag….Uh, I mean Cardinal way!!
      Love it!

  1. Bill

    I checked out one of their sites. The comments section theory was that it was some low level employee and no one else knew about it

    • George Mirones

      Of course it was a low level employee!!

      Great idea!, just goes to show how far behind the REDS Org really is.
      Low level employee must be a “Belichek fan”

      • i71_Exile

        It was a low level employee IN CINCINNATI. Got to get the cover story straight. 🙂

      • JeffinTN

        Nice IRS reference. Lois and her crew are in the news this week also…

    • Mark Elliott

      Okay , this is the best of all. You checked the comments section looking for facts? Hope you don’t do that on this site.

      • HerpyDerp

        “The comments section theory…”

        You do realize theory by definition isn’t fact, right?

  2. Mark Elliott

    From the ESPN article – “FBI believes that Cardinals officials gained access to the Astros’ database by using a list of passwords associated with Astros general manager Jeff Luhnow dating to his tenure with the Cardinals from 2003 until he left for Houston after the 2011 season.”

    From the MSN article – “Believing that the Astros’ network had been compromised by a rogue hacker, Major League Baseball notified the F.B.I., and the authorities in Houston opened an investigation. Agents soon found that the Astros’ network had been entered from a computer at a home that some Cardinals officials had lived in. The agents then turned their attention to the team’s front office.”

    So a former Cardinal official wasn’t smart enough to take all his passwords with him, and current Cardinal officials weren’t smart enough to cover their tracks when they logged in???? This is gonna be good. #bestfederalprisonersinbaseball

    • George Mirones

      Sounds like the making of championship softball team at “St. Louis federal” . I wonder how the FA market works in prison?

  3. vegastypo

    Somebody has to say this: How is Chris Carpenter going to explain this to his kid?

  4. Mark Elliott

    From the Deadspin article – “Everyone here is an idiot. This story is wonderful.” I’m laughing so hard they are about to throw me out of the Big Boy in Toledo.

  5. Gonzo Reds

    I’d say give the Cardinals a ban on 2015 postseason play but then management would think we’re still in the NL Central race and not clean house, including Price and Jocketty, so let’s just give them a pat on the wrist, no 2016 1st round pick next year.

    • jessecuster44

      nope. They excel when bad things happen to them. Give them an extra first rounder, and watch things go to heck.

  6. Ryan Lykins (@ryan_lykins)

    Well the front office is good at running a baseball team but they’re not very good at hacking computers and not getting caught. Maybe they should have stuck with what they know.

    • i71_Exile

      Maybe they are good at running a baseball team because they don’t let things like “laws” stop them? I’m a firm believer that Tony L. was a PED enabler. Who knows what other strains of scum and villainy lurk within the Cardinals organization?

      • Manuel T

        I’ve a;ways felt the same way with his connections to the Cardinals and A’s.

      • jdx19

        Yep. LaRussa is a dirt-bag, I’ve always been of that opinion.

      • pinson343

        I agree, for many reasons. Still ticked off that the media took his and Chris Carpenter’s version of events after the big “WLB” melee and ran completely with that.
        And I don’t know why he’s considered such a genius. Today’s idiotic use of closers (and 3 relief pitchers in 1 inning) is largely due to him.

      • pinson343

        Chris Carpenter’s protoges, which would be much of the pitching staff.

      • Adam

        Right on. Tony LaRussa always struck me as a scum-bag. Just a punk.

  7. bohdi87

    A small part of me is envious of the cardinals front office that values advanced analytics so highly that they will break the law for the data. Meanwhile, the Reds front office can’t spell O-B-P.

    • Steve Mancuso

      To be fair, they’ve never tried to spell OBP.

      • pinson343

        Loved Looney Tunes. But my favorite cartoon cat had to be Snagglepuss, the thesbian cat.

        If asked about the Reds chances to win the NL Central in 2015, Snagglepuss would reply: “Impossible. Illogical. Difficult, even.”

        And later: “Exit, stage right.”

      • reaganspad

        If the had to penalize the cards front office, would they please find a link to walt so that he can get terminated also

  8. Redgoggles

    I was going to write a joke about them spying on the ASTROS (instead of a winning organization), and then I checked the standings. #itsnot2012anymore

  9. greenmtred

    As much fun as this is, does anyone else get uneasy about hearing that the FBI is dedicating resources to the situation?

    • Steve Mancuso

      No. It’s economic espionage in a multi-billion dollar industry.

      • lwblogger2

        As an IT professional, I’d hope they would throw all the resources at it they can spare. Cybercrime is a huge deal. I agree with you Steve.

    • greenmtred

      I need to add, though, that the comments from all you folks are funny enough to, briefly, briefly, take the sting out of the rest of the recent Reds news. Thanks for that.

      • George Mirones

        Gallows humor is usually on point! After all what else is there.

      • pinson343

        Absolutely. The funniest people I ever met had lived in the Soviet Union pre-Gorbachev.

    • Jeremy Conley

      I think the FBI is very interested in cyber crime, and reasonably so. When it was first reported to them, it was reported as a hack, and it could have been done by anyone, so they had to look into it. What they found was a bunch of Cardinal idiots.

      • ohiojimw

        What they found was a bunch of Cardinal idiots.
        Which doesn’t make it any less of a crime. It is industrial espionage however one looks at it.

  10. Vanessa Galagnara

    Curious what the penalty will be from both the Federal Government and also from Major League Baseball. The case even remotely similar to this was spygate involving the New England Patriots and the penalty on that one wasnt even a slap on the wrist.

    If found guilty they will probably lose 1 or 2 draft picks and be fined. Nothing that the Cardinals will lose any sleep over.

    • lwblogger2

      Big difference in that what the Cardinals just did may well be a federal crime. If they went over the internet to perform this attack, then they could be in a whole, whole, whole lot of trouble.

  11. tct

    Meanwhile, in Cincinnati, the Reds front office tries desperately to understand what “proprietary baseball statistics ” are.

    “Wait, does that mean they counted up things like RBI and put it on their fancy computers?”

    “Those nerds probably were using that new fangled OBP. What a bunch of geeks. I don’t need no computing machine to tell me that Skip Schumacher is a versatile, gritty, and highly valuable player.”

    • Steve Mancuso

      Found in Reds database:

      * pitcher win-loss records
      * batting average *and* RBIs
      * fielding percentages
      * average with RISP
      * biographies of every player for Cardinals 1994-2007
      * stylized grit quotient
      * stylized chaos on the base paths quotient
      * sacrifice bunt percentages

      • bohdi87

        Don’t forget SAVES….

        And, by database, surely you mean etched onto scrolls of papyrus.

      • George Mirones

        I think that the “etched part ” is dealing with stone tablets, “papyrus” still may be to advanced to be considered.

      • Mark Elliott

        Also in Reds database –
        * Johnny a Bench waist size
        * Jerry Nerron lunch preference
        * Exact mileage via bus to all NL ballparks
        * Manila folder labeled “DH – here’s what you do”

  12. renbutler

    Now you guys know how us Colts fans feel.

    I don’t hate the Cards because I’m “jealous” that they are “good,” or even because they are the Reds’ rival. There are a lot of good teams (rival and otherwise) that I don’t hate, in various leagues and sports.

    But my instincts have always told me that the Pats and Cards specifically were dirty. So I haven’t been surprised at all about any of these scandals.

    This is a big deal. Even the St Louis Post-Dispatch agrees:


    • Matt WI

      Good link. This was my favorite tweeter retweet from that article: If this is true, I’m sure the Cardinals employed the classiest, hardest working computer hackers around

    • pinson343

      Not that you’ve said otherwise, but this is a whole lot more serious than anything the Patrots have done.

      • Steve Mancuso

        And apparently with actual proof, in contrast to the football pressure.

  13. wildwestlv

    Now the FBI just needs to look into how that other team from Missouri is somehow fielding their entire roster on the starting AL All-Star team.

    • Vanessa Galagnara

      If the all star game mattered maybe someone would care.

      • Matt WI

        But it does matter. Home field advantage is nothing to sniff at. It’s a very interesting point that they are making down there.

  14. WVRedlegs

    Roster moves:

    “Reds call up Contreras (pictured) and Hand, option Boesch to Louisville”

    • IndyRedMan

      I guess Boesch complained to Price and he replied “Talk to the hand”

      • doctor

        and Boesch said “Where is Mr Hand”, and Price said “Louisville”.

      • pinson343

        But Hand isn’t in Louisville any more. I love this, it;s like ‘Who’s on First?’.

      • pinson343

        Reminds me of George Costanza getting dumped by a woman.
        George: “But I’ve got Hand.” Woman: “And you’re gonna need it.”

    • Matt WI

      They need the arms for now. No Mascot, no Cingrani, and the bullpen is getting worn.

      • pinson343

        Yeh the reinforcements (Contreras, Hand, and Holmberg on the way) have all pitched poorly at AAA, but what are you going to do ?

  15. mtkal

    Very nice job by all here. I just read through all these comments and all the jokes and sarcastic remarks that came to mind when I read the article headline, you guys had already posted either with your own thoughts or a link to a tweet or other comments. I’m just glad the Reds are safe from hackers since they just use the stats in the newspaper and don’t keep a data base of anything on these new fangled, ferkakta computers.

    • gonz

      >these new fangled, ferkakta computers.

      I think I just plotzed.