The Reds (23-31) will try to salvage some respect in game three of the Padres’ series today after magnanimously blowing the first two games. It should be an overcast day at the ballpark, but no rain to speak of.

All stats are 2015 actuals:

Odrisamer Despaigne 4.56 4.66 1.09 5.7% 11.9%
Johnny Cueto 2.90 3.37 1.01 4.3% 22.9%

After being shuffled around in the rotation so that Andrew Cashner could pitch on normal rest, Odrisamer Despaigne takes the mound this afternoon for the Friars. Despaigne has done a little bit of everything for the Padres this year, and he’s been pretty good at every stop too. Despaigne started the year with 4.2 innings of no-hit ball followed by a start of 7.0 innings of two hits and one run. Then, Despaigne was relegated to the bullpen for a time before returning to the rotation with two terrible starts. Now, Despaigne has reeled off three straight quality starts, including 8.0 innings of one run on seven hits his last time out. He’s never faced the Reds before, but he does have one of the few eephus pitches in the game.

Johnny Cueto was pain and discomfort-free after his last start against the Phillies, lasting 6.0 innings on five hits and two runs, one earned. For his career, Cueto has a 4.50 ERA in seven starts against the Padres spanning 46.0 innings.

No surprises in the Reds‘ lineup as Skip Schumaker starts in left once again:

1. Brandon Phillips (R) 2B
2. Joey Votto (L) 1B
3. Todd Frazier (R) 3B
4. Jay Bruce (L) RF
5. Brayan Pena (S) C
6. Zack Cozart (R) SS
7. Skip Schumaker (L) LF
8. Johnny Cueto (R) P
9. Billy Hamilton (S) CF

Clint Barmes gets a turn a short today in the Padres‘ lineup:

1. Will Venable (L) CF
2. Derek Norris (R) C
3. Justin Upton (R) LF
4. Matt Kemp (R) RF
5. Yonder Alonso (L) 1B
6. Will Middlebrooks (R) 3B
7. Cory Spangenberg (L) 2B
8. Clint Barmes (R) SS
9. Odrisamer Despaigne (R) P




The Reds are a bad ballclub, but the Price is right in that letting up or conceding a game is just never acceptable. It shows a lack of professionalism, a lack of respect for the fans who paid to see you play, and a lack of respect for the game. For all his flaws as a manager, Price hasn’t done too poorly with the roster he’s been given. He’s old school, sure, but he’s also not afraid to say what’s on his mind, which is a good quality in a manager I believe. No one is going to be coddled in the Reds’ clubhouse like during the Dusty era.

According to John Fay, the Reds have optioned Jumbo Diaz to Louisville and promoted Nate Adcock. A corresponding 40-man roster move will be announced shortly.


These Reds are hard to watch right now, and as such, I believe I won’t today. With the College World Series super regionals going today, there’s enough good baseball to go around. Hometown kid Andrew Benintendi will play for Arkansas today in game three of their super regional against Missouri State. Who knows, maybe he will be wearing a Reds uniform in a couple of years.


120 Responses

  1. seat101

    “He’s not afraid to say what’s on his mind,which is a good quality in a manager, I believe.

    Unless he saying it to Trent Rosenkranz apparently…..

    • Dr. K

      I had completely forgot about that rant until I read a comment from another poster on here yesterday or Friday. Interesting how some people remember that so well.

  2. Aaron Bradley

    You got to love Lorenzen’s youthful optimism but how can we not give up on them. They are buried in the standings have a bunch of injuries and virtually zero chance of making the playoffs with a lot of clubs well over .500 vying for those spots. He needs to understand baseball is a long boring season if playoffs are not a possibility and people have better things to do with their time and families than spend top dollar for the product currently on the field. It’s certainly not Lorenzen’s fault he has done everything you could ask, but the bench and bullpen are atrocious and only a masochist would watch this dumpster fire on a daily basis.

  3. reaganspad

    good move to bring up Adcock for Jumbo. Jumbo was a nice story last year but he has to go now because he is not improving. I am afraid that he is what he is.

    Boy, could that guy use a change up (of course couldn’t everyone who doesn’t have one)

    • ohiojimw

      Interesting that Jumbo was optioned and not DFAed. I wonder if he is on a split contract and they could save several $100K by releasing him from AAA versus the MLB roster. If so that is too cheap I think. I guess we will know by game time.

  4. GreatRedLegsFan

    Not much to say, just waiting for the fire sale to start and see who they’ll get in exchange. Walt Jocketty’s era must be nearing to the end, should not pass from this season.

  5. Scot Lykins

    We need bullpen help right now. This team can compete with pitching. No win the pennant but they can compete with a bullpen. They need to trade for a couple of bullpen guys and bench player, without already weakening the lineup even more.

    BTW. The Cards are in first place because of pitching. They hit worse than us.

    • Tom Reed

      Check out the Cardinals. They’re a team that does a much better job with runners in scoring position than the Reds. That’s a big reason they’re in first place by a big margin.

      • jdx19

        There’s a very low correlation between winning and hitting with runners in scoring position. Less than just about every other offensive stat. And yes, I’ve done the math.

  6. ohiojimw

    Reds release RHP Matt Magill to clear a 40 man roster spot for Adcock. I believe Magill is the guy they got for Heisey.

    • ohiojimw

      This is Lutz all over again. Magill just had TJ surgery. He is gone for the year. By releasing him from minor league DL versus putting him on 60 day MLB DL, the Reds save the difference between his full year minor league salary and the MLB prorated minimum they would have owed him on MLB 60 day DL.

      He is still entitled to same medical care as before at team expense, I don’t inow where the line falls with rehab expenses/ facilites.

      • seat101

        I’m not sure, but I think, that in the CBA this situation is covered rather specifically.

        I’m on my way to Kings Island, so I cannot look it up now. I will check it out later though.

      • Kurt Frost

        King’s Island? It’s so hot.

      • Tom Gray

        They cannot put him on 60 Day DL unless his injured occurred in spring or while he was on 25 man active roster. Dumb MLB rule.

  7. Tom Gray

    Agree on LF but choices are Schumaker (batting in low .200’s) or Negron / Boesch (batting in low .100’s) so it’s logical choice.

    • Chris Miller

      You are right, it’s a logical choice, one of which is not Schumaker. There is absolutely NO upside to Schumaker playing daily. There is some “possible” upside to Boesch or even Negron playing daily. We know Boesch was among the best hitter in all of AAA last season when he played daily, and he was this spring when he played daily. Negron was solid in both instances as well. Schumaker; not so much. Schumaker is by far the worst choice of the three, despite the current batting averages.

      • Tom Reed

        With the way things are going this season, Boesch should be given a real chance in left field. Constantly starting Schumaker makes no sense.

    • Tom Gray

      If the Reds played in PCL (where hitters dominate) agree on Boesch.

      Not on Negron.

  8. vared

    When the fire sale begins, Walt better not trade for bullpen help even with it being this bad. He needs professional hitters. Lots of them. He should be able to assemble a decent bullpen without using what few trading chips he has to pull it off.

    • Shchi Cossack

      “He SHOULD be able to assemble a decent bullpen without using what few trading chips he has to pull it off.”

      Infortunately, he can’t and he has really proven inept at staffing the bullpen and bech while overspending to put an exclamation point on his ineptness.

      I like the move to option Jumbo back to AAA. Let Teddy work with the big guy to regain his confidence and get him back on track. I like Jumbo, but I don’t see him a late inning reliever, more if a middle inning reliever. The Reds were late to call him up last season and were probably late in sending him down this season.

      Jocketty has now completely squandered (and then some) all the cost savings derived from sending Heisey to LA.

      If Boesch can not play LF, why is he on the 25-man roster. mesoraco can not get back to the active roster soon enough. The situation is really sad when an injured catcher with no OF experience must cover for an injured left fielder and a backup catcher with no 1B experience must cover for an injured first baseman. Jocketty is cer5tainly a real gem of a GM. I can just envision real GM’s just salivating at the prospects of dealing for Cueto, Leake, Chapman, Bruce and Frazier, knowing that they will be dealing with Jocketty. The Reds should just hand out a banner at the all star game “Give me your tired, your hungry, your rejects and your gritty, overage veterans!”

    • Vanessa Galagnara

      I’m ok with that if they are thrown in as secondary pieces. Lots of people out there saying how easy it is to build a good bullpen and yet there are so few of them in the majors and the Reds have at least proven the past two years that it isn’t easy for the organization to do.

  9. doublenohitter

    Vandy beat Illinois, 13-0. They missed the extra point.
    They won Monday, 21-0.

    Going for back-to-back National Championships! #anchordown

    (There is good baseball being played, by the way.)

    • Wesley Jenkins

      Youre telling me. I’m a huge Vandy fan (from Nashville) and have been following them all season. Dansby Swanson will be a great big league ss one day and I truly hope fulmer falls down to 11 in the draft.

  10. ECReds

    ‘The Reds (23-31) will try to salvage some respect in game three of the Padres’ series today after magnanimously blowing the first two games. ‘ Padres just flat beat us in the 1st game. Any my 2 cents. Bruce’s decline as a fielder is a downer. Real disappointing. Go Reds.

    • Shchi Cossack

      And dare we say, overpriced at that?

      • vegastypo

        ha, very nice. i just cringe at any game with the potential for wider coverage than usual.

    • jdx19

      Maybe that’s why it doesnt work for me… Keeps dropping the game and I have to reload it. I love paying $129 for garbage that works half the time.

  11. doublenohitter

    Reds will probably get shut out by this guy. The lousy pitchers always look like Cy Young against the Reds.

    • muttonlettucetomato

      It helps when the umpire calls 2 strikes in the AB when the tracker shows it wasn’t even close. It’s going to be a long day. Norris must be doing some serious framing.

  12. jdx19

    There is Jay’s warning track power coming in again… 😉

  13. vegastypo

    So, by percentages, what is a home team’s win expectancy with a 1-0 lead halfway through the third inning? And how does that change, given the state of the Reds’ bullpen?

    • jdx19

      About 68%. Not sure if they can factor in terrible bullpens with any sort of accuracy. 😉

    • George Mirones

      “given the state of the Reds’ bullpen?”
      Not using a statistical approach, I would think a touchdown and a field goal at this point, might make the odds a bit better.

    • George Mirones

      Gee, without a thorough stat analysis of pre-injury versus post injury numbers how can you be so confident? (tic) 🙂

  14. jdx19

    JD said Meso looked good in LF in drills. I’ll take decent knews from anyone, these days!

    • jdx19

      Very true. One of the reasons why he’s still an average to below-average hitter even when he’s on a decent OBP streak.

      • vegastypo

        The Padres are into spending money. Couldn’t the teams work something out after the game? Of course, I suspect the Padres wiped out their minor league system with all the trades they made in the off-season …

      • jdx19

        Sure did. Their best guy was Trea Turner and he’s a future PTBNL and headed to the Nationals.

      • jdx19

        Just did a little digging; they’ve got that high-upside, high-risk guy Hunter Renfroe. He’s a crazy good athlete who didn’t play much baseball until recently and has done fairly well.

        They have a good mid-rotation sort of guy in Matt Wisler and also have a power-hitting RFer named Rymer Liriano. Those are pretty much the best 3 prospects the Reds would have interest in.

  15. vegastypo

    Fay was asked on Twitter what is wrong with Boesch. Replies nothing that he knows of. … Helping Price keep the ‘secret’?

    • vegastypo

      and a few seconds later, also on Twitter, a reference that Kelch is talking about Boesch with back stiffness, as alluded to by Price. What the heck, Fay?

    • George Mirones

      I do remember seeing an interview recently where Price said that Boesch was “stiff”
      It wasn’t to a local reporter. Sheldon comes to mind. Price may be playing with Fay and Rose C. !!

  16. jdx19

    The Reds need to fire whoever coaches base running. It’s downright embarassing.

  17. muttonlettucetomato

    I don’t have stats in front of me but it sure seems like Billy hits a lot of balls back to the pitcher. Why run on contact?

    • jdx19

      Because the Reds coaching staff doesn’t understand much about baserunning.

      • vegastypo

        Dusty flat-out said he was tired of telling the players about base running, implying that they weren’t listening to him. Part of Dusty’s philosophy was that the team’s veterans had to take charge. Except when it’s your gritty leader blundering on the base paths.

  18. jdx19

    I’m surprised BP got away with those antics. Not sure I’ve ever seen him so animated.

    • vegastypo

      Must not have said any of the magic words, and immediately began walking away. But wow, that pitch was inside.

    • jdx19

      Hoover or Cingrani. Hopefully. Gotta keep rolling out the guys with the best stuff, even if they aren’t performing super well.

  19. jdx19

    I think that is 1 ER in 12 IP for Johnny since he missed the start w/ elbow soreness.

    • George Mirones

      That’s a sellable point!! Most GM’s can understand that.

  20. George Mirones

    OK Cueto at 93 pitches at the end of 6. One more inning +100, then Who? in the 8th

  21. seat101

    Well, whatever the manager said to the players yesterday, no matter what kind of language he used Jay Bruce seems to of taking it to heart.

    • vegastypo

      And I kinda hate to think this way, but the power would enhance his trade value if it comes to that.

      • Kywhi

        I thought Paul Daugherty’s column in today’s Enquirer adeptly summed up the situation. If the “blowup” we all think about does occur, we’re likely to be disappointed with the players we get as replacements, particularly in Bruce’s situation.

      • George Mirones

        When compared to 64 other major league outfielders ranked by WRC+, Bruce is ranked 42nd with a WRC+ .96, WAR -.05 and DEF -.07. for the 2015 season.
        As a GM what would you offer when there are 41 MLB OF’s better in this ranking and probably cheaper
        Tough sell IMO

  22. msanmoore

    Not sure if I’m thrilled at Bruce’s 2nd HR or scared because of a 4-run lead. I’m thinking we need 9 full innings from Johnny today.

  23. George Mirones

    Sending Diaz back to AAA was very loud and clear. I would have posted a copy of a bus ticket to Louisville in the bullpen with a question mark. 🙂

    • jdx19

      Haha! Use White-out on the name and post it. “Are you next? Blow a lead and find out!”

      • George Mirones

        Hoover saw the writing on the wall. Packing and unpacking can very educational. Most professionals need “poked” once in awhile to remind them of what they are here for.

  24. George Mirones

    Throw strikes, keep the pace up, and just keep throwing hard stuff at their eyes.

  25. muttonlettucetomato

    Pretty much a perfect win. If they get a couple decent bullpen arms and Mez in the outfield assuming he can swing a bat, they might string a couple of these together.

  26. yorktownred

    Should have won 7 out of the last 8.

    Oh well, that would deceived WJ into believing we are still in it.

    • yorktownred

      Sorry, should have won 8 of last 9.

  27. Steve Mancuso

    Turns out that Bruce’s second home run was the *shortest* home run hit by any Reds player this year.

    • Indy Red Man

      Ok you flyball velocity and distance nerds….with all of Bruce’s 340-365 foot flyballs to the track or the wall this year….how many HRs would he have if he played his home games at the new Yankee Stadium? I’m thinking it plays even shorter than GABP?

      • Steve Mancuso

        Yankees have a RF they are paying $15 million to this year and next year.