The pitching match-up between Tyson Ross and Jon Moscot turned out about how we thought it would. But Ross’s dominance of the Reds was cut short thanks to the merciful hour-long rain delay. Just maybe with Ross out of the game, the Reds might win a battle of the bullpens … Sure.

The Reds were losing. So naturally, Bryan Price used the worst pitchers in the bullpen. Burke Badenhop and Pedro Villarreal each took a spin giving the Padres an insurance run. The Reds batters went down without a fight the last four innings.

On the day when Jason Marquis joined Kevin Gregg on the team’s discard pile, it’s worth remembering that Burke Badenhop was Walt Jocketty’s “big” signing to improve the bullpen in the offseason. He’s become unusable. Another $2.5 million of Mr. Castellini’s money set on fire.

And another loss with the all-too-familiar formula comprising a season that started with sweet dreams but ended up in pieces on the ground.

Padres 6, Reds 2 | FanGraphs Info | Jason Marquis 2015 Game Log

Three years to the day after he was drafted out of Pepperdine University by the Reds in the fourth round of the 2012 amateur draft, Jon Moscot threw his first major league pitch. With nerves jangling, the 92-mph four-seam fastball was a strike. Moscot struck out the first batter he faced, Will Venable, on four pitches (video). The next 30+ pitches of the first inning would not prove to be so kind to the 23-year-old right hander. The Padres scored two runs aided by three walks and two oh-so-soft ground ball hits. Moscot then gave up not-so-soft solo home runs in the second and third. He completed five innings, retiring San Diego in order in the fourth and fifth. Moscot’s final pitch was a 77-mph curve ball to Matt Kemp.

Joey Votto continued his offensive rebound after spotting the league an entire month. His single in the fifth inning drove in two runs. Votto also had two walks. Brandon Phillips had a hit and a walk, as did Skip Schumaker.

Phillips also made two outstanding defensive plays. The first was a ground ball deep in the hole behind first base that Phillips fielded and then tossed a long backhanded pass to the pitcher covering first base. In the seventh inning, Phillips ranged deep behind second base and flipped the ball behind his back to Zack Cozart to start a 4-6-3 double play. (video of both plays)

Burke Badenhop‘s ERA coming into this game was 7.27 (worst in the NL) and FIP was 5.02. The 32-year-old pitcher had given up the highest percentage of hard-hit balls in baseball. Badenhop’s strikeout rate is the third lowest in baseball. After Votto’s single had cut the Padres lead to 4-2, Burke Badenhop, pitching for the second time in ten days, gave a run right back.

The Reds tried a double steal with one out, down 4-0 in the third inning and Todd Frazier at the plate. Brandon Phillips was thrown out at third base. You wonder if the play was called from the dugout or if the players were freelancing.

47 Responses

  1. RedAlert

    Same crap different night – hard to stomach – it’s not getting any better – simply a bad team with a bad manager – and saddled with a GM who sits on his hands for a living

  2. Andrew Willison

    His name is Pedro villareal

    • Steve Mancuso

      Fixed the first name, thanks.

  3. Vicferrari

    Love the Fire and Rain reference, I remember in college how I fed into the rumor that this song was about and sold a bunch of people how impressive the heart ache was that I felt every painful verse. For those that do not know listen to it from the perspective that his friends bought Suzanne a plane ticket to come surprise him only to have it crash.. who cares what it really was about

  4. vegastypo

    Yeah, Steve, I was just raising that bullpen issue at the end of the game thread. Good Lord, I was moaning about how awful Walt’s off-season moves were, and now realize I hadn’t included Gregg.

    Geez, Mr. Castellini, please do something!

  5. tct

    It will get better.
    It may take some time, but it will get better. A youth movement is coming. This team is too bad for Bob to ignore or make excuses for. And while the team may not be good, I’d rather watch young guys lose and learn than watch Skip, Marquis, Badenhop, Byrd, etc..

    As long as guys stay healthy, the Reds will have the best starting pitcher on the market at the deadline, the best reliever on the market coming with an extra year of control, a solid innings eater in Leake, a bounce back candidate in Bruce, and possibly the best overall player in Frazier if they shop him. And best of all, they will be listening to the scouting guys to make their decisions about which prospects they want, and I trust those guys more than Walt.

    We must go deeper into this dark tunnel if we want to reach the other side. It’s dark and smelly and will get dark and stinkier before it’s over. But there is a light at the end of the tunnel.

    • Keith

      Not sure what you’ve seen over the past few years that says that Walt & Bob C. will embrace the obvious need to turn to youth and be willing to stomach the number of losses necessary to allow young players to take their lumps and learn how to be successful in the majors. I think about all the time they spent trying the ‘Anyone but Lutz’ theory in left field. There were plenty of opportunities to give him a month or two, but they wouldn’t even give him 2 games.
      Wish I saw it the same as you, but I’d say it’s more likely that management blames injuries and tries to ‘tweak’ things for next year. I hope they trade Cueto, Leake, Byrd, Chapman, Frazier (I think he’s too old to be part of a youth movement) and whoever else anyone might want to make room for the young guys and restock this pathetic roster, but I don’t believe they have enough forward-thinkers willing to think long-term to make this happen.

      • George Mirones

        TCT says;
        “But there is a light at the end of the tunnel.”
        Keith says;
        “I don’t believe they have enough forward-thinkers willing to think long-term to make this happen.”

        That is where Reds fans are at this point, eternal optimism or total distrust. Optimism implies trust and hope, while distrust eliminates hope.

        A paternalistic owner who makes tons of money by understanding expiration dates of his product (produce) but failing to apply the same approach to his hobby (baseball players). The dithering around (keep him active to help the team this year) with Mesoraco is a prime example that the overall thinking hasn’t changed. Granted Mesoraco is part of that but since when do baseball players have medical degrees. This is the same player thinking that says playing hurt is a badge of honor for themselves.
        The trade deadline will come soon after the All Star game. The interim will filled with potential opportunities. Do I really want to know about the inner workings of the front office? Do I think I know more than they do? Not when it comes to baseball.
        I just want a value for my ticket money and a reason to drive 2.5 hours to sit through a 2.5 hour event and drive 2.5 hours home. I stopped doing that 3 years ago and haven’t been given a reason to return. I don’t need World Series wins to keep me in my seat I need a competitive team on the field.

      • tct

        I’m just trying to be optimistic. I have very little faith in Walt or Bob.

        But I also don’t think they are completely stupid. They can’t be, can they? And what needs to be done should be painfully obvious at this point. How can they continue to ignore it.

        And if you believe that Bob will finally see he has to rebuild, then things start to look better, because the Reds have so many good trade chips. They could add a boatload of young talent to the organization this summer and during the off season.

  6. DavidTurner49

    So, what’s the take away from Moscot’s first outing? I didn’t see the game, but judging from summaries looks like just when he was getting over his nerves and into a groove he was pulled.

    • Steve Mancuso

      Pretty standard first start. He threw 37 pitches in the first inning, so it was an accomplishment to get through five. I’m looking forward to watching his next start, minus the first inning jitters.

  7. Ryan Lykins (@ryan_lykins)

    It’s really sad and pathetic that literally every guy that Walt brought in this offseason has been terrible. I believe most called it well before the season started that none except for maybe Badenhop would contribute and look how that one has turned out. What a horrible offseason Walt Jocketty had. No excuses for it.

    • greenmtred

      Sclafani has not been terrible. He might well be a cornerstone of a good rotation when–if–the reinvention of the Reds takes place.

  8. jdx19

    Jesse Winker has a modest 5-game hitting streak going, over which he’s gone 8-20 with 3 doubles.

    So, there’s that.

  9. User1022

    Seems a lot of Reds fans don’t even bother to comment on the team any longer.

    Can’t say I blame them. There isn’t much interesting to talk about. Poorly managed, poorly constructed teams are not why people watch sports.

  10. Jay King

    Now that Byrd is injured for who knows how long now… Jockety’s failure is complete.. heavy breath pause heavy breath…..

    Honestly I am so dissappointed in this season I just cancelled my MLBTV subscription for the year.

    • Michael E

      If he stays injured long enough, we don’t have to worry about that idiotic option vesting for, what, $8 million in 2016? Yikes.

  11. redsfan06

    With the amount of money Walt frittered away on bench players, washed up pitchers and a cheap fix for left field, the Reds could have easily signed one player to bring a solid bat in the line-up to play LF. If I was Castellini, I would ask Walt to quit trying to save me money.

    • Michael E

      That was my thought this off-season, stop nibbling and go hard for ONE good player and then a bunch of minimum salary guys…heck, if they’d just promoted 3 relievers from AAA and AA they couldn’t have possibly been worse than Gregg, Jumbo and Co and for millions less

  12. Jason

    Makes you wonder what could’ve been if the Reds would’ve found a way to get Giancarlo Stanton from the Marlins a few years ago. I always thought Chapman for him would’ve been a great trade. We obviously would’ve had to throw in some prospects at that time, but still makes me wonder if he (Stanton) would’ve pushed us over the playoff hurdle.

  13. sezwhom

    13 games out of 1st and not even mid-June. Turn out the lights…..

    • George Mirones

      At this rate 18 games out by the break looks doable. Or as Walt would say, “just need to get on a little roll and see what happens”.

      • Michael E

        I can only hope we’re 18 games out, so Walt and Bob have NO valid reason to NOT start the trading and half-rebuild. I am most excited to see what prospects we can get back, but I fear we’ll be let down by “hanging on to finish .450 and have a nice September (you know, when it doesn’t freakin matter after being eliminated).

        My guess is, they’ll be a nice 5 game winning streak heading into the break and that’ll be ALL Walt and Bob need (even 12 games out) to keep status quo and blow a golden oppportunity to trim payroll, add several highly rated prospects and get recharged for 2016 and 2017.

  14. Daytonian

    Bravo to BP! The catch and toss for the double play were sweet!

    • Dr. K

      Just saw those highlights, and they were pretty incredible. Regardless of when he vacates 2B in Cincinnati, he will be missed. Love watching him make the incredible seem routine.

  15. Shchi Cossack

    Young pitchers will have growing pains. That’s expected and accepted, but the team comes out on the backside of those growing pains with high expectations again. The Old Cossack liked what he saw from the old recliner last night from the youngster. Jon Moscot showed all the promise he brought to show as a back-end starter.

    By 2017 (and possibly 2016) the Reds starting rotation should be solid once again from top to bottom, both in quality and depth, something the Reds have not had. I really hope the Reds don’t attempt to vainly stay competitive for 2015 & 2016. That would result in an expensive 1-year window for possible success in 2017 before FA will claims the bulk of the aging roster with few replacements on the horizon.

    Chapman – FA in 2017
    Bruce – FA in 2017
    Phillips – FA in 2018
    Cozart – FA in 2018
    Frazier – FA 2018

    That would leave Votto, Hamilton and Mesoraco from the current roster to anchor the team after 2017. Heyman’s unattributed quotes, from competing baseball management sources, that Castellini is unwilling to break up the team are disturbingly consistent with what we’ve seen from this management and ownership group. Castellini needs to turn all baseball operations over to a new-generation president of baseball operations who will hire a new-generation GM. The baseball experience in Cincinnati is alive and well thanks to Castellini and Cincinnati baseball fans are indebted to Castellini for reviving the Cincinnati Reds team and enhancing the Cincinnati Reds baseball experience to a premier level. The 2015 all star game will be his crowning achievement to date. If he wants to augment that achievement with a World Series, Castellini needs to hire the new-generation baseball executives to handle baseball operations and get out of their way and that needs to be done sooner rather than later. Do not let Jocketty and all his cronies oversee the transition from 2015 to 2017.

    • ohiojimw

      There is a certain conundrum where WJ’s management of the baseball operations is concerned.

      I am not about to try and defend the decisions with MLB level personnel since at least the Choo acquisition (and I’ll go so far as to question whether they shouldn’t have realized just how badly Choo would do defensively in CF and brought in a cheap good glove guy to play there with Choo in LF).

      This said, WJ is also the ultimate executive in charge of drafting and developing talent; and, they seem to have done extremely well at identifying, drafting, and developing pitching. I’d hate to see that baby thrown out with the bath water in a regime change,

      • Shchi Cossack

        Your point is noted and valid, Jim. I tend to fall into the camp of amature scouting and development working rather autonomous within the baseball operations structure. I am not disappointed in the drafts over the past several years and certainly would caution to avoid wholesale changes in the amature scouting and drafting departments.

    • ohiojimw

      Just the pitching itself could be strong enough to have them on the verge of playoff contention as soon as 2016. So for me the decision is not that they shouldn’t try to be competitive immediately, it is that they need to find a different and better way to be competitive like we see some of the other small and mid market teams doing.

      Also I believe that it can too easily become fools gold to be trying to project a path to compete for a number of years starting 3 or more years into the future. Just a year ago were Lorenzen, or Iglesias, or Moscot seriously on anybody’s radar? I think not. All the talk was of Stephenson and Travieso and the guy set to Phillie for Byrd et al. And now in addition to the young guys who are already at the MLB level, the likes of Sampson and Garrett are looking to push their way to the front of the line from further back.

      This said, I certainly agree that the Reds look to be in less than ideal circumstances in regard to position players in the pipeline. They are probably going to have to trade multiple people to refresh their position player pool.

    • Tom Reed

      The only person I see coming in as president of baseball operations is the owners son, Phil Castellini. And I’m not sure that would be a clean break from the past to handle the rebuilding process.

  16. Tom Gray

    On pace for 70-92 right now. A few trades for prospects and 100 L is within reach.

    Only in 1982 has it happened (for Reds) before. John McNamara got fired mid year that season.

    • George Mirones

      Tom;
      Are you saying that Price needs to go? 🙂
      Gee , That is odd coming from you!!

    • Michael E

      Hope we get to 95 losses, we need a HIGH draft pick in 2016 (and that should guarantee top 3 pick…maybe we’ll get OUR Kris Bryant?)

  17. PRoseFutureHOFer

    I’ve been watching baseball 35 years. I was a huge Roberto Alomar fan. Brandon Phillips is the best defensive second baseman I’ve ever seen. I am so glad he plays for my team. The day we trade him away for some AA prospect will be a very sad day.

    • Tom Gray

      Bill Mazeroski. Best 2B (defensively) I ever saw. Too bad you missed seeing him.

  18. Playtowin

    The Reds should move Cueto and Leake as soon as they get a deal they like. Cueto should get them a good prospect….hopefully a position player or two. The Reds don’t need to move Bruce or Chapman until the winter. Last year Atlanta made their trades over the winter. Doing the same will allow the Reds to talk with the 29 other teams about a deal. Cueto and Leake will only be interesting to teams in the playoff hunt which limits the teams that will discuss a deal. That said, Chapman could get something worth while as the acquirer would have him for next year. The only problem is if the Reds trade every interesting player they will have nothing left of interest for the paying public. It is hard to sell no hope. Rebuilding is neither easy, fun, or guaranteed to succeed.

    • Tom Gray

      None of them will bring anything other than prospects. No prospects who are ready right now.

    • Michael E

      Cueto should bring at least 2 very good prospects and both should be AA/AAA types (ready next year or 2017). Leake should bbring back one very good prospect and maybe a lower, years away one.

      Byrd would bring one decent A ball prospect, as would Pena. Not sure if all those should be traded, but none of those (save maybe Leake if he can be signed affordably) have any future in Cincinnati’s rebuild plans.

  19. Tom Reed

    Rebuilding is certainly not ‘…easy, fun, or guaranteed to succeed.’ Look at Houston which went through 2-3 terrible years but now has the best record in the AL and the second best in MLB. They’ve done it because of an astute, young GM. and front office. Will the Reds follow the route of the Astros?

    • Michael E

      Rebuilding is like everything else, sometimes it works out VERY well and sooner than you think, other times is turns into worst record in baseball a couple of times over 5 years. That said, no one is talking full rebuild (some good players kept around), so we shouldn’t experience anything really bad.

      One step back in July will equal THREE steps forward in 2017 (maybe even 2016).

  20. Playtowin

    The Astros last winning season was 2008. Since then:
    2009. 74-88
    2010. 76-86
    2011. 56-106
    2012 55-107
    2013. 51-111
    2014. 70-92

    This was a painful rebuild in the 5th largest market.

    • Michael E

      To be fair, the original rebuild wasn’t a rebuild at all…they let players walk and simply brought in crap (think cheapest owner in baseball kind of team). It wasn’t like they traded 5 good players in 2009 and it didn’t work.

      So the rebuild really didn’t get started (outside of higher draft picks) till the past two years, after they had made some front office changes (previous GM did pretty bad).

    • Michael E

      …but yes, it’s either stick with this crappy, mediocre, slightly below-average team with NO hope for being a real contender for another 5 years OR send away a few pieces for 4 or 5 good prospects and have more hope, sooner.

  21. Michael E

    I’d rather go through 5 years of sucking and have a really good, young, cheap, near-dynasty team for a few years, than be a chronic .475 winning percentage team that never gets bad enough to rebuild right, and never good enough to be anywhere close to contention. Think always an 8th seed in the NBA or NHL playoffs and always getting swept in the first round…that or BARELY missing the playoffs every year, but never having a really good draft pick either (NO MANDS LAND of chronic mediocrity). That is what the CURRENT version of the Reds looks like to me, and I’d rather risk failure and make some need trades/changes, rather than stay with this mess and KNOW we won’t contend for the next 5 years and after that even less hope.