The Reds (18-23) have lost six straight games and none of them have been particularly watchable. The best part of the past week was Jason Linden’s recap of the game last night. Personally, I chose Option 2. It sure has been a rainy month for Ohio.

All stats are 2015 actuals:

Corey Kluber 3.79 2.28 0.58 4.8% 30.4%
Anthony DeSclafani 3.80 4.24 0.80 10.8% 17.5%

The Indians’ pitcher is named Corey Kluber. Last year, he won the AL Cy Young Award and was worth 7.2 WAR for the Indians. In his last game, Kluber threw 9 innings of one run ball, striking out 12. In the game before that, Kluber nearly made history as he struck out 18 in 8 innings pitched. In that game, Kluber took a no-hitter into the 7th.

The Reds’ pitcher is named Anthony DeSclafani. Last year, he pitched for the Miami Marlins, mostly for their AAA team but did make 5 starts and 13 appearances for the Marlins. He was worth 0.1 WAR in those starts. In his last game, DeSclafani threw 3 innings of six run ball, walking three. In the game before that, DeSclafani allowed half the number of runs (3) in double the innings (6). Over his last four starts, DeSclafani has walked 15 in just 16 innings.

Like I said, the pitcher the Indians’ will use is better than the pitcher the Reds will use. Sometimes life just isn’t fair.


Here is the lineup for your Cincinnati Reds:

1. Brandon Phillips (R) 2B
2. Skip Schumaker (L) LF
3. Joey Votto (L) 1B
4. Todd Frazier (R) 3B
5. Jay Bruce (L) DH
6. Brayan Pena (S) C
7. Zack Cozart (R) SS
8. Brennan Boesch (L) RF
9. Billy Hamilton (S) CF
And Cleveland’s:
1. Jason Kipnis (L) 2B
2. Carlos Santana (S) 1B
3. David Murphy (L) LF
4. Brandon Moss (L) RF
5. Nick Swisher (S) DH
6. Lonnie Chisenhall (L) 3B
7. Jose Ramirez (S) SS
8. Roberto Perez (R) C
9. Michael Bourn (L) CF





–Mark Sheldon wrote after last night’s game about the horrific disarray that the Reds’ rotation currently finds itself in. The highlight quote from Mike Leake:

I even came back laughing at that one because for some reason, for a couple of batters, I couldn’t throw the ball where I wanted it.

–Jason Marquis may have finally taken the mound the last time for the Reds. Bryan Price was quoted to be “looking at a lot of different things” before deciding the fate of the Reds’ rotation. As has been said on this site before, I would rather see the future pitchers of the Reds get some work in this season rather than an aging journeyman just biding his time in the league.

–Grantland did a feature on former Red Aaron Harang and his success this season with the Phillies. It’s worth a read even if it isn’t relevant to the current dumpster (smokestack?) fire in Cincinnati. It’s always nice to see former Reds figuring it out and putting up good numbers as long as it doesn’t directly hurt the team.

Pitch Perfect 2 came out last weekend. If the box office numbers are to be trusted, it might be a much better entertainment investment than whatever the Reds plan to put on the field.

If I had spare time this afternoon, I would go see Mad Max or Ex Machina instead of Pitch Perfect 2 but that’s just my taste. Alas, I will not be attending a matinee or watching the Reds game, rather I will be umping an end of the year Little League tournament. There’s a joke to be made here that the Little Leaguers will play better than the Reds, but I know that’s not true and I’ve already made that joke enough in this post. Plus, at this age, they use a pitching machine so of course the Little Leaguers will score more runs. It’s just shameful really that the pitching machine strikes out more batters in a six inning game than the Reds do in a week. (Sorry)


161 Responses

  1. Indy Red Man

    Johnny Cueto over 120 pitches twice in the last few weeks….goes 8 in Chicago and they bring him back after 30 min and a 10-1 lead…..soreness in his elbow….big shocker? They’ve been supposedly saving Mesoraco for DH for 6 weeks or whatever and he looked like he was swinging it better so now they’re in Cleveland and he can’t go?

    Could this team possibly be more mismanaged by Jocketty or Price?

    • tct

      I’ve just had a feeling that the Reds were going to find a way to get nothing out of Cueto. Just think what they could have gotten at the trade deadline last year.

      David Price is the only pitcher who has thrown more pitches than Cueto since the beginning of last year. That is pretty silly considering that the Reds haven’t been in a playoff race and weren’t playing any meaningful games down the stretch last year. And as Indy pointed out, they have done some ridiculous things with him this year.

      They are treating their golden goose like a mule.

    • charlottencredsfan

      We will be the joke in MLB. If JC is done, I can’t think a more avoidable debacle. It’s one thing for the faithful to think the guys had a real chance this year but Walt and Bob should have known better. If they ever needed a break, they need one now.

      • Eric the Red

        I think we’re mixing things up. The handling of Mesoraco is a debacle. The handling of Cueto, not really. If he’s hurt–seriously hurt–there was no way to see it coming, and there were a lot of very good reasons not to trade him before the season started. If he’s gotten injured in the three weeks between “we might have a shot at the playoffs this year” and “time to pull the plug” it would just be more of our insanely bad luck.

      • tct

        But one of the reasons why so many people thought they should trade him in the off season is because if he gets hurt, then the Reds would get nothing. And their chances at contending were too small too take that risk.

        Cueto missed significant time in both 2011 and 2013. Then he comes back in 2014, and the Reds ride him like a horse. He leads the NL in innings and pitches thrown in 2014. It wasn’t hard to imagine Cueto getting hurt. I don’t think you can chalk this up to bad luck, especially since they already let Cueto go over 114 pitches three times this year. And that includes the ridiculous game in Chicago where the Reds were up with 10-1 going into the ninth, with Cueto already at 100 pitches. Price brings Cueto back out and he ends up throwing 123 pitches.

      • I-71_Exile

        A lot of fans have been expressing their Astros and Cubs envy of late. If Cueto goes down the Reds are on their way to a prime draft position.

  2. Eric the Red

    Even if Cueto pitches in a few days, just think what this hiccup has already done to our negotiating position.

    • charlottencredsfan

      Sore elbow and pitcher, you never want to see in the same sentence. Anyone recall one working out well?? Unfortunately, we can not trust Walt’s crew with the truth and the medical staff’s competence is questionable, at best.

    • BigRedMike

      Yeah, his trade value might have taken a hit. Almost all pitchers will get hurt at some point

  3. Jake

    What is with Price’s man crush with Schumaker? He shouldn’t be batting anywhere but 8th

    • CTRedsFan

      As sad as it is to think about Schumaker has been one of the Reds better hitters in May. He is hitting .300 for the month with 4 doubles. His 5 doubles on the season is tied with Votto, in 100 less AB’s, and only Cozart and Frazier have more.

      I am not a Schumaker fan and didn’t think he should be on the team coming out of Spring but, why not give him a try, can he really be any worse than the production the Reds are getting from their OF’s?

      • jdx19

        He has a .628 OPS on the season. No reason to isolate May. It’s pretty irrelevant. He’s not a good hitter. He shouldn’t bat 2nd. Ever. In any lineup for any team.

      • jdx19

        And to answer your second question, yes, he’s worse than Byrd, Hamilton. and Bruce.

      • CTRedsFan

        Then don’t isolate May, he is still hitting 40 points higher than any other Reds OF.

      • jdx19

        You’re the one arguing for Skip Schumaker. It’s really not hard to refute any argument you put up.

        He’s was 10-41 before the game started. Good for him. Just not sure why it is relevant.

  4. wildwestlv

    I’ll pass on the game. Taking my son to see David Copperfield, this afternoon. Hoping he’ll make my MLB.TV subscription disappear.

    • MrRed

      He sure could, but unfortunately, no refund…

  5. rhayex

    This is going to be an extremely unpopular opinion, but I’m GLAD that we’re struggling so much right now. It puts pressure on management to make some real changes and rebuild. Unless you have a consistently great farm system or lots of money (and the latter of those is becoming slightly less important now), your team is going to go in cycles of winning and losing. This is the season for the Reds to simply suck and rebuild. It helps that they have some very valuable pieces with which they can restock their farm system. It’ll be painful to watch, but at least it will give us hope for the upcoming years.

    • tct

      But will they use those valuable pieces to rebuild their farm? Frazier could bring a really nice return, but I don’t think they have the guts or brains to trade him. Same with Chapman. If Cueto is healthy at the trade deadline, he could bring a solid prospect or two, but not nearly enough to rebuild with. They need to be shopping Frazier, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Bruce for sure. They could completely rebuild their farm with those trade chips. But they probably won’t.

    • George Mirones

      Amazing that the script never changes. If all the surgeries (2) occur and we lose one more player for an extended time period due to injury, all the results from the beginning 4 game streak will be looked at as the results of the injuries because as everyone can see the team was doing well till the injuries. Taken from the GM handbook, excuse section.

  6. jdx19

    2nd time in a week we have the #2 hitter butting in the first inning. Simply insane.

  7. jdx19

    Votto’s single at 107mph. With the right loft, that’s a 425ft homer. First very hard-hit ball I’ve seen from Votto in weeks.

    • Indy Red Man

      He about took Carrasco’s head off last night?

      • jdx19

        Was out last night, only saw the first 2 innings. What was the MPH on it?

      • jdx19

        Nevermind, looked it up. 99mph ground ball, is how they have it classified.

  8. BigRedMike

    When possible, give away outs as soon as you can. That is what the second spot in the order is for.

    • jdx19

      Yep. We can go ahead and cross Jay Bell off any list of future Reds managers.

  9. AARON

    That’s our Reds… 2 hits in an inning and no one sniffs 2nd base.

  10. AARON

    The more this organizations screws around with JC the more i get fired up. Since they didn’t trade him in the off-season..he will already be “just” a rental player. Mix that with this new found “tightness” and his trade value is slowly disappearing before our very eyes.

  11. Indy Red Man

    2nd/3rd nobody out….be lucky to get 1 run

  12. ProspectCincy

    Can someone provide an update on why Price was ejected during the line-up exchanges?!?

    • jdx19

      Arguing about balls and strikes from last night.

  13. jdx19

    Cozart has no desire to walk at all.

  14. AARON

    Nice AB. The pitches were all very close and with 2 strikes he protected well.

  15. jdx19

    Another 6 AB sample size to justify using Boesch against Kluber, according to the broadcast crew.

  16. AARON

    1 run. I suppose thats better than 0, but 4 hits, including a double over 2 innings… and just 1 run.

  17. Indy Red Man

    We have to be one of the worst in mlb w/runners on 3rd <2 outs

    • jdx19

      Still the same as when this was mentioned 15 times in the last 3 games.

    • AARON

      Indeed, Dead last in the NL in average in that situation.

      However, they have scored a fair amount of Runs in that situation. Just not hits.

    • jdx19

      Arguing about last night’s ball/strike calls before the game.

  18. mwvohio

    Wow. That play by Votto is the craziest thing I’ve ever seen by a first baseman.

    • jdx19

      Yeah, one of the stranger throws I’ve ever seen that worked.

      • mwvohio

        Was right on the money, I don’t think I could throw that well from that position if I practiced all day.

    • AARON

      So making 3 outs in 2 ABs is not good? 🙂

      • mwvohio

        Has nothing to do with today’s results. I just mean the line of thinking that ends with him being placed second in a major league batting lineup is a travesty.

      • jdx19

        Yep. It’s a complete lack of understanding of baseball, which is funny since the guy who put him there presumably knows a lot more about baseball than all of us.

  19. preacherj

    Price is the lucky one getting ejected before the game. I find myself drawn back to this thing.

  20. Mister D69

    There’s been week, and then there’s been this: Starting outfield of Boesch, Hamilton, Schumaker. I won’t post their stats– you know them– it’s just too painful.

  21. preacherj

    Good to see Joey hitting the ball with some authority. He got a little something on that inside out swing.

  22. mwvohio

    Sometimes Votto looks like he can get a hit any time he wants. It’s so awesome to watch. He runs into pitchers who just cannot put him away and then he digs in and forces them to give him a pitch he can handle.

    • jdx19

      Agreed. I think on pitchers he sees well, he’s as tough a customer as can be found.

  23. mwvohio

    Also, hilariously enough just after the article about a lack of doubles the Reds have hit a ton vs the Indians.

  24. Jeff Morris

    5 Hits, and just 1 Run. That’s the Reds. I really don’t see it change anytime soon. Its something that has happened year after year.

  25. mwvohio

    Wait, you mean continuing to hit the ball hard eventually leads to results? Go figure. Atta boy Bruce.

      • mwvohio

        How’s that a tootblan? I think it’s common practice to advance from second on a ball hit behind you isn’t it?

      • jdx19

        Being thrown out by 15 feet is a tootblan to me. You don’t have to agree. 😉

      • jdx19

        i know you’re right about the common practice, but pre-planned responses are the bane of good basball, in my opinion.

  26. Indy Red Man

    Leadoff double….one order of no runs coming up!!!

  27. AARON

    The Schu-Boesch experiment today has been fantastic…. as the numbers indicated it would.

    • AARON

      The 3 for 6 was in September of 2012. ’12 was Kluber’s highest ERA year of his career (5.14) while starting only 12 games for Cleveland. Not exactly the same two players in 2015.

      Pop Out


      • jdx19

        Nice stat pull. More proof of how ridiculous it is to make judgments on small sample sizes from years ago.

        Play your best players, give them more ABs. That shouldn’t be some sort of ground-breaking idea, but Price can’t figure it out.

  28. mwvohio

    Huh, Boesch has a better arm than I realized out there. Good to know.

    • Indy Red Man

      Unfortunately he has a longer swing than I realized….looks like he’s teeing off up there

  29. jdx19

    Uh oh. I hear turf toe is an injury that needs rest. But I’m no doctor.

    • mwvohio

      I’m so confused why he’s still in the game. If he goes back out there to play in the field some people need fired.

      • jdx19

        Yep. Either it is an act, or the coaches are imbeciles. There is no other option.

  30. Indy Red Man

    Boy I just can’t get enough of 35 yr old ex-Cards with no power or speed.

  31. doublenohitter

    Only George Grande could say, “Schumaker has grounded out twice, once into a double play and once into a ground out.”

  32. preacherj

    But unless I’m mistaken, Brandon was favoring his other foot.

    • mwvohio

      Yeah it looks like he did something to the ankle of his other foot. Negron should come in to field now for him.

    • jdx19

      Ahh, hmm. Well, an ankle twist and turf toe. Sounds like a guy who needs some time off.

  33. preacherj

    That’s one way to mess up the defense.

  34. jdx19

    No one has ever claimed BP was a dumb ballplayer!

      • jdx19

        I meant while on the diamond. Yes, I am well aware of his stance on OBP and his not-so-veiled methods of conveying it.

      • mwvohio

        No no, I just meant in the age of the invective everyone has been called everything, justified or not *laughs* The world is a different place now.

      • preacherj

        “Age of the Invective”…that, sir, will preach.

  35. jdx19

    I hate ABs like that from Votto. Took 6 pitches. Swung 0 times.

  36. preacherj

    Disco is doing well. Hope I didn’t jinx it

  37. Indy Red Man

    Tony Disco throwing strikes today!! I would make Chapman a starter to replace Cueto next year and they could have

    1. Chapman
    2. Bailey
    3. Lorenzen
    4. Tony Disco
    5. Inglesias/Cingrani/Moscot

    That’s not too bad but they just can’t score runs?

  38. preacherj

    We are getting our hits against Kluber. Have to get to the pen.

    • mwvohio

      Only problem is we’re not really running his pitch count up. On pace for 80 pitches to get through 6 innings.. so could maybe see the pen in the 8th.

      • mwvohio

        Hah, yeah I saw it was at 77 while I was typing and Cozart was up so I figured 3 pitches would do it.

  39. AARON

    Umpiring has been subpar most of this year.

  40. AARON

    Hate to put it on BOesch…but he makes that catch and this all doesn’t happen.

    • mwvohio

      That was not on Boesch it was on Tony D. He got two outs then started nibbling against the 1/2/3 hitters and paid for it.

      • AARON

        when the ball lands in your glove… its on you.

  41. jdx19

    Hamiton’s throw 25 feet up the line. When’s the last time he had a good throw? I honestly can’t recall.

    • jdx19

      Trying to remind us all of how he won a Gold Glove once upon a time!

  42. Kywhi

    It’s nice to see Votto having fun today.

  43. Indy Red Man

    If they’re going to block the bag against a 160 lb runner then our pitcher needs to put one into their ribcage…PERIOD

  44. mwvohio

    That looked brutal on the replay, his hand was blocked by the defender and then it twisted his shoulder around.

    • jdx19

      Yeah, could be finger/wrist/shoulder all at once.

  45. George Mirones

    Well folks there is our 3rd major injury. Looks very bad (Ludwick). So now the spin for the season is complete.

  46. jdx19

    Reds have now made 4 outs on the basepaths in these 2 games.

    • jdx19

      Sounds about right given their distribution. All the hits have been scattered. We really shouldn’t have 5 runs right now.

      • CBD

        We should have more than 1. There have been DP, TOOTBLANS, Caught stealing… just frustrating really.

      • jdx19

        Yeah, but 1 is a reasonable outcome given the distribution. Not optimal, but reasonable. Haven’t had more then 2 hits in an inning, have they?

      • CBD

        Thats the frustration… a glowing indictment of the pathetic offense

  47. Indy Red Man

    Time to cut the grass….about the best we can do is last long enough to lose in a walkoff

    • jdx19

      You were off by 1 inning. Blew it in the 8th.

  48. George Mirones

    Latos trade looks like gold.

    • mwvohio

      Too early to tell. The raw stuff is definitely there but it remains to be seen if he’ll stay healthy, if he’ll adjust to what hitters do to him, etc.

      • jdx19

        Latos has been bad, though, and is now on the DL. So far, so good!

      • daytonnati

        Sorry, meant Latos plus Volquez, Grandal, Boxberger, and Alonso for DeSlafani deal.

    • BigRedMike

      Walt has some bad moves, trading Latos was a good move

  49. mwvohio

    Wow, you could tell Frazier couldn’t see the baseball at all in that at bat. Sheesh.

    • VaRedsFan

      Just wondering how you could tell?

      • mwvohio

        He swung at all three pitches with the same timing despite them being vastly different location/speeds. In other words he was swinging at the pitcher’s arm motion instead of being able to see the ball to time it right.

  50. jdx19

    First pitch walk from the BP? Nawwwwww.

  51. charlottencredsfan

    Well, we played them tough.

  52. Kywhi

    And people seriously tout Cingrani as a future closer?

    • jdx19

      Any decent LFer catcher that ball. Schumaker is slow. Byrd wouldn’t have had it, either, but I’d say at least 1/2 the LFers in the bigs catch that ball.

      • jdx19

        Skip was like 4 strides away from catching it. It is my opinion that a quicker, better LF catches that ball.

      • charlottencredsfan

        Yeah, but then you don’t the benefit of Schu’s bat.☺

      • jdx19

        He of the .585 OPS! We got Skip for that!

      • Robby20

        You mean the Reds need a left fielder? Patience, I’m sure they will find one in the next 3 or 4 years.

  53. George Mirones

    5,6,7 coming up in the ninth.

    • jdx19

      Bruce has been swinging it well. Maybe he’ll run into one.

      • charlottencredsfan

        What’s up with Stras? Has to be ailing?

      • jdx19

        Yeah. I would normally say something about how he has one of the highest BABIP against, but I think he’s either injured or his mechanics are out of whack.

  54. charlottencredsfan

    Looked like a meatball.

  55. mwvohio

    Well, this game was a lot more entertaining than I expected. Glad I got to see Votto have a great day at the field and that catch by Billy.

  56. charlottencredsfan

    Gave the Indians everything we had, just don’t have much. Back at it tomorrow.

  57. charlottencredsfan

    Fitting ending, sky high pop up from Zack.

  58. jdx19

    See ya’ll tomorrow when we go for EIGHT IN A ROW!!

  59. Kywhi

    Meanwhile, this Reds team is led by a manager who gets thrown out of the game before it even starts for arguing balls and strikes from the night before. I feel for what Bryan Price must be going through, but to save my life I didn’t understand it then and certainly don’t understand now what Jocketty and Castellini were thinking when they hired him.

  60. Tom Reed

    I’m sure he was hired because the Reds didn’t want to lose him since he had success as the pitching coach. But the old adage is coming true that pitching coaches do not make good managers.