The Reds have cut the pitcher that Bryan Price judged to be the right guy for the 8th inning set-up role on Opening Day.

This was a costly and doomed experiment from the start that anyone, outside the Reds front office apparently, saw coming a 400-foot home run away. Final damage: 11 appearances, 9 where Gregg gave up at least one run, four where he gave up at least two. 10.13 ERA, 5.59 FIP.

It turns out there is a risk to minor league signings: If your organization is fooled by a handful of innings in spring training and ignores all the other available information on the player, gives him a roster spot and puts him into crucial game situations where he costs your team a win. No more am I writing the words “it’s a minor league signing, so no downside for the Reds.” At least as long as this bunch is in charge.

Here’s what we wrote about Gregg before the season started:

Look, Gregg knows he’s near the end of his career. There aren’t many available slots on major-league rosters for an old (by baseball standards) reliever with a damaged pitching elbow. The signing of Gregg is a classic low-risk move by the Reds. The worst-case scenario for the club is Gregg fails to regain velocity on his fastball in spring training and is lit up like one the Christmas trees he sells, further demonstrating that Gregg’s 2014 numbers with the Marlins (9 innings pitched, 11 hits, 10 earned runs) are the new normal for him. In this hypothetical situation, the Reds would cut Gregg (and eat $1.5 million) or send him to the minors. (Grant Freking)

Kevin Gregg (36) missed almost all of 2014 due to shoulder surgery. Shoulder surgery. He had one of those too-good-to-be-true half-seasons for the Cubs in 2013. Being clever now, they knew it and tried like crazy to trade him at the deadline and found not a single taker. Gregg predictably imploded in the second half. Like Marquis, he’s never been much more than a mediocre pitcher. (Steve Mancuso)

Then after the season began:

April 22: For some perspective, among the 258 relievers who have made an appearance in 2015, Kevin Gregg has the 15th-worst FIP, Badenhop the 21st-worst, Parra the 37th, and Diaz is 42nd. Sorting by WHIP doesn’t make it much better, as Parra has the second-worst in all of baseball and Cingrani, Hoover, Badenhop, and Gregg are all in the bottom 100. Gregg also has the ignominious honor of being one of only four relievers in baseball to have surrendered three homers thus far. (Kevin Michell)

April 23: Bryan Price decided that Kevin Gregg was the best guy to come in the sixth inning with two on and two outs. Gregg was able to get out of that jam, but Price decided he wanted to roll the dice even more. Gregg pitched the 7th inning, and after allowing a four pitch leadoff walk to Logan Schafer (a guy with a .601 career OPS), he eventually allowed the go ahead run to score. Why on earth Gregg was given the opportunity to get four outs in a tie game, with a relatively fresh bullpen, is simply amazing. Aroldis Chapman hasn’t been given that opportunity in 2015. (Nick Kirby)

April 27: Honestly, I’m astonished that Gregg is still on the team. The Reds jumped ship on Trevor Bell in 2014 after 2/3 of an inning. In 2015, they seem unwilling to admit they made a mistake in keeping Kevin Gregg, a pitcher who hasn’t had a positive WAR season since 2010. He never should have made the team and now is the time to replace him with either Lorenzen or Iglesias. (Nick Carrington)

May 2: Kevin Gregg totally Kevin Gregg’d it tonight. He did manage to finish the game without having Chapman replace him. That was nice, I guess. (Jason Linden)

And if you sprung for my Big Reds Preview, you saw this coming back in February:

“Kevin Gregg has really never been much more than a mediocre pitcher. He’s now at the tail end of his career and coming off elbow surgery. He sat out almost all of last season. Major league clubs, including the Reds, cast their verdict on Gregg at the 2013 trade deadline. It’s hard to expect anything more from Kevin Gregg than his second-half stats from 2013.”

122 Responses

  1. TC

    I hate to celebrate something like this, but…


  2. CTRedsFan

    Glad the front office finally corrected their mistake but I am not sure Villarreal is an improvement.

    • Nick Carrington

      I’m wondering if Iglesias takes that bullpen spot after his likely start on Wednesday? Villarreal certainly doesn’t inspire much confidence.

    • RedAlert

      no improvement whatsoever – has no business on the 40 man roster

      • Vicferrari

        Thought the same way, but I am sure he is here toe at some innings in a blowout if it gets to that point and will be gone by Wed when Iglesias replaces him. The best thing about Villareal is that he knows the way to Cincinnati know one has to give him directions to the park and he knows the way to the restroom if he ever has to go. Any one know how many times he has been called up, or if he even left the team after getting smoked Saturday night…this is his 4th season seeing action.

  3. preacherj

    But adding Villereal? Isnt that just changing names on the gas pump?

    • WVRedlegs

      And the octane number. Gregg gave up those long, long high majestic fly ball home runs. The HR’s Villareal gives leave a vapor trail behind them.

    • Morgan Mayham

      With the Dfa there is a open 40 man spot. Should of called up adcock, hand, or klimesh. Or keep villereal or called up josh smith till wednesday and than moscot start.

    • GreatRedLegsFan

      It’s maybe a temporary spot, I don’t see him lasting much in the roster nor within the organization at all.

  4. jdx19

    I literally fist-pumped when I saw this just now… my coworker was walking behind me into the cube and laughed at me.

  5. WVRedlegs

    Hate to rejoice in a Reds player’s misfortune, but it was past time. Safe to say, he’ll make it through waivers.
    His replacement, sad to say, is no better. Maybe when they have to promote Iglesias to start on Wednesday, they will keep him up to stay in the pen. Or is Villareal going to be that starter now?

  6. Jeff Adams

    “Our long national nightmare is over.” with apologies to Gerald Ford

  7. jdx19

    Even if Villareal isn’t a big improvement (or any improvement), we should all certainly applaud the process. DFA’ing a not only bad, but also underperforming player, is something we should want our FA to get accustomed to! Good work, I say!

    • Jeremy Conley

      I don’t know, I’m not rushing to give the front office any awards. Steve’s whole post is how a bunch of decently informed fans saw something in February that it somehow took the management of this team until May to notice.

      Cutting Kevin Gregg was the right move on May 11th, but it was also the right move on March 31st. In fact, by not ever putting Gregg on the 25 man roster, they would have saved a player and $1.5Mil. For a team that routinely cries poor, that is a disaster.

      We could have Heisey instead of Schumaker if we’d let Kevin Gregg go, and that would be a double improvement. Take away two guys with negative WAR and add one that always put up about 1 WAR.

      • jdx19

        I agree with everything you wrote.

        Even if the FO doesn’t deserve any awards, it is still nice to see them go through with this. I honestly thought Gregg would be in the ‘pen all year simply because they signed him in the offseason. To me, this was a win for the FO because they proved me wrong regarding my very grim estimations of their willingness to toss Gregg.

      • Steve Mancuso

        This is a great point about payroll. The Reds allowed themselves to be influenced by Gregg’s few innings in spring training. Then they watched him for 11 more innings and decided to cut him. That error in judgment cost them $1.5 million.

      • ohiojimw

        This couldn’t have happened as you wish.Shumaker represented a sunken cost (unless one believes somebody would have taken his contract);and, moving Heisey created an avoided/ saved cost.

        IMO Heisey even for Shumaker doesn’t significantly improve this Reds team. It is just panning for fools’ gold at a different spot on the river than where Gregg showed up.

        Now saving the cost and putting it toward a better LF, maybe one that could lead off like a couple of the guys that changed teams. That I would be all for.

      • Eric the Red

        Heisey is much better on defense. And has some speed. And power. And has been a very effective pinch hitter, which everyone agrees is a difficult skill. Other than that, he’s just like Schu.

      • Jeremy Conley

        I’m saying, if you were willing to pay Gregg $1.5M not to play for you, why not save that money, and pay skip $1.5M not to play for you? Then you have neither Gregg nor Skipp.

      • ohiojimw

        I’m not sure comparing Heisey and Schu isn’t an apples and oranges comparison, Schu bats LH, Heisey RH. Schu also plays 2B which Heisey doesn’t. Neither is a legit CF choice at this point, recalling that Price said on the record last season that they no longer saw Heisey as a CF choice.

        Negron can play all 3 outfield spots. He actually had a higher OPS than Heisey last year and also hit HRs more frequently based on ABs per HR (24:1 v. 34:1) and projected as being more likely to reach base when he did not hit a HR. And Negron cost $500K versus $3.75M. Maybe this was at least part of the choice versus Schu v. Heisey?

        I don’t believe Gregg wasn’t even on a major league deal until months after Heisey was traded. So how does it figure not signing Gregg would have money for Heisey? The choice had already been made, following that line of thinking that the money saved on Heisey was going to be spent on pitching instead of a 4th or 5th OF

  8. reaganspad

    I would rather see Nate Adcock or Kevius Sampson be given a shot than Villarreal.

    I know that walks are issues for both, but I thought that Sampson looked like Simon this spring

    • Morgan Mayham

      Isn’t sampson still hurt? Plus with magill and lutz out for the year this would open up two 40 man spots.

    • Vicferrari

      Whomever they brought up will be gone by Wed, I imagine Villareal just remained with the team and will only be used in emergency situation

  9. jdx19

    Villareal ERA/FIP from 2012 to 2015


    In 24 lifetime big league innings, he’s posted -0.3 WAR.

    So, yeah… certainly not a savior, but he can’t be worse than Gregg, can he?

    • CTRedsFan

      Probably not. But the front office making moves so the team “doesn’t get worse” is hardly inspiring. It would be nice to see a move that actually improves the team.

    • preacherj

      So, yeah… certainly not a savior, but he can’t be worse than Gregg, can he?

      Is that where we are now?

  10. PacoRocko

    Oh Happy Day…

    If pitching had a Mendoza line, it would be called the Gregg line. And I’m pretty sure Gregg was pitching below it.

    • jdx19

      I meant to reply to you, but accidentally posted two down.

  11. earmbrister

    Gregg was given plenty of rope … shame his career may be over (though I wouldn’t be shocked if some other team kicked the tires on him, even as poorly as he has pitched).

    • ohiojimw

      the price goes down to the prorated remaining minimum once he clears waivers (I refuse to believe the Reds will outright him versus releasing him). So somebody may bite.

    • redmountain

      If you look around the majors, there may indeed be someone who will be willing to work.

  12. jdx19

    What pitcher measure would you like to be “Mendoza’d?” I’ve devised a system for doing just that! And by “devised a system” I mean “perform rudimentary statistical processes on a set of data” to arrive at a similar measure for anything based on Mendoza’s batting average standard deviations below the mean!

    Yeah… “nerd” tends to describe me well.

    • SrRedFan

      As a retired Chemical Engineer, who used to wear “pocket protectors, I resemble that remark as well.


  13. gaffer

    How is Gregg any worse than Badenhop or even Parra?

    • jdx19

      Have you done anything other than look at their stats this year?

      Badenhop has been GOOD for like 5 years in a row before this. Not “average,” good. Gregg hasn’t been good ever. And he hasn’t been average since 2013 for 1/2 a season. Parra is somewhere in between.

      • jdx19

        Actually, 6 years. Badenhop has had a good season every year since 2009.

    • CTRedsFan

      Badenhop’s problem is mechanical, Gregg doesn’t have the “stuff” to get major league hitters out.

      Right now Badenhop’s sinker is not sinking, it’s staying up in the zone were it is getting clobbered. If he can correct the mechanical flaw and get his sinker back to the bottom of the strike zone he will be a very effective pitcher.

      • RedInInd

        In spring training, Badenhop’s problems were supposedly caused by the dry Arizona air.

      • earmbrister

        Yeah, that’s the line that I was hoping to buy after ST. But every time I saw him pitch, both during ST and during the regular season, I was holding my breath. I was happy with the signing, but he’s in one of those funks where you wonder if he’ll ever get through another clean inning.

    • Vicferrari

      Parra’s a lefty, he can be brought in as a LOOGY to force the opposing manager to PH a Right handed-hitter who Parra will inevitably walk

  14. wdwrolen2713

    Pedro Villareal 10.13 ERA
    Kevin Gregg 10.13 ERA

    Its kinda odd that they both have the same era but gregg has larger sample size and has proven what he is. At least pedro is sort of an unknown still but iglesias is probably best way to go. Would this hurt Iglesias’ development if we bring him up?

    • jdx19

      Both their ERAs are worthless in this small of a sample size. Gregg isn’t 10ERA bad, and neither is Villareal. Really, no pitcher can be 10 ERA bad in true talent terms and make the major leagues.

      Either way, I think your Iglesias comment will get a lot of agreement around here. The coolest idea I’ve heard is splitting starts and bullpen work with Lorenzen and Igleasias to try and let them both last the entire year.

    • wdwrolen2713

      I’ve also heard the idea about splitting Lorenzen and Iglesias in bullpen and rotation and agree with that line of thinking. Reds really looking like a .500 team so why not make a bold move and actually help the team for once. I’ve read RLN for a few years now but have never commented before now. This site is certainly a lot more level-headed than most blogs.

      • jdx19

        Well, welcome! Hope to see more from you in the future!

  15. Jeremy Conley

    This is one small step in the right direction, but this team’s bullpen is still a hot mess.

    • lwblogger2

      It’s a whole lot flammables looking for a lit match.

  16. sultanofswaff

    As Hawk Harrelson would say, ‘don’t stop now, boys’.

    Let’s continue the housecleaning—-

    Schumaker out, Dejesus in.
    Boesch out, YRod in.

    • lwblogger2

      What has Yorman Rodgriguez shown you? You bring him up a lot so I figured I’d ask. Maybe you’re seeing something I’m not seeing. So far, he hasn’t shown me a whole lot. He’s still young and in development, and I personally think he’s best served getting regular playing time in the minors.

  17. jas428

    So could someone review all the players the Reds are paying in 2014 to NOT play? Does anyone still believe Heisey was too expensive or was that just spin because Price wanted him gone?

    • lwblogger2

      Counting guys who aren’t playing because they are hurt?

    • jdx19

      The Mets are still paying Bobby Bonilla.

      AKA – My favorite baseball tidbit of all-time.

      • Craig Z

        Aren’t the Reds still paying Griffey?

      • jdx19

        Looks like they signed him to a 9-year deal long expired. So, I don’t think so.

  18. Steve Mancuso

    If you’re looking to build a case against Bryan Price … He thought Kevin Gregg was the right guy to put in the 8th inning set-up role when the season started. Hard to imagine a worse example of poor judgment. (well, other than a six-minute profanity-laced tired on the record)

    • seat101

      I worked in television news. And I know for a fact that plenty of other managers had “profanity laced tirade’s” but back in the day they didn’t get played.

      If you honestly think that this is one of the few times in the history of major-league baseball where managers for the press I’d be very surprised. I think your distaste for Price colors your judgment about just how bad his swearing really was.

      To be honest, I think the continual mentioning of the “tirade” lessens your other arguments about whether or not he is a good manager.

      • Jeremy Conley

        I disagree Seat101. Things have changed. Price’s tirade was in front of about a dozen reporters who were tape recording him. That is bad judgement. Also, his rant was about keeping secrets in baseball, which makes him look desperate, because he can’t just have a 25 man roster and win games. Finally, beyond all that, he looked completely frustrated two weeks into a season.

        In what world is that a good sign from your manager? Even if other managers have been explicit with the media it a) hasn’t been in front a 12 guys pointing microphones in their faces, b) was probably about something more substantive than tweeting, and c) was maybe at the end of a long season, rather than after 10 games.

      • Robby20

        Price’s tirade was an embarrassment to the organization and to himself. I for one don’t care if “back in the day” this would not have gotten the national attention. This is today and in today’s world one would hope the manager of a professional baseball team would have more sense. Awful judgement is awful judgement.

      • greenmtred

        Of course the rant showed poor judgment, but I can’t understand the continuing angst about it. Price was probably venting general frustration, and that’s a pretty human thing to do. That sort of poor judgment may also belong in a different category than poor judgment in game management. Lou Piniella threw public tantrums and managed well. Lou’s tantrums were largely forgiven because they were so over-the-top that they were funny, but they still represented a loss of control. None of the above is to say that I think that Price is doing a good job, but he is working with some problems not of his own making (as others here have said). It seems to me that we’d do better to focus our negativity and pessimism on the way the Reds are playing and Price’s influence on that.

      • jdx19

        It’s never been about the profanity. Most of us coulnd’t care less. Like Jeremy says above, it’s about the judgment to do what he did, on the record, knowing 100% that it would be in the media in a matter of hours.

    • Jeremy Conley

      My heart sank when Price said that in spring training, and I was literally screaming at the TV when Price brought Gregg in on opening day. I cannot understand how a big league pitching coach would think that Gregg was in anyway good. Price lost a lot of my faith with that decision.

    • WVRedlegs

      I’ve got a size 12 boot, but I cannot find Jocketty so I have a place to put it. This is a discussion that should have never, ever occurred. Yet here we are.
      The case should be built against Jocketty, first and foremost. Then focus on the field manager.

      • lwblogger2

        Jocketty bought the manure and Price has to spread it?

    • Steve Schoenbaechler

      We saw about 4 years of poor judgement from 2010-2013. Remember, “It’ll come, it’ll come” and “We need to get him going”.

      • greenmtred

        Poor judgment that yielded generally good results? If winning the WS is the only acceptable outcome, there is only one good manager in baseball every year. That is, if you believe that managers make a lot of difference.

      • Steve Schoenbaechler

        What judgement? Baker couldn’t develop anyone. He could only win when the players were put around him. You really think it was a good idea to play Willie Harris after he went 0 for 40 instead of Frazier? More than obvious, we won in spite of Baker.

        Even Baker had losing seasons. Price has only had one season, period, winning or losing.

  19. Earl

    Gregg. Badenhop. Or parra who do I cut first neither one can pitch in a major league situation

  20. Jeff Morris

    But….I thought Bryan Price said he still has faith in Gregg? That Faith will have to be with another team, probably on a minor league team, or maybe overseas somewhere? Good move by the Reds, but one of those “I could have told you soooooo moments”

  21. FinsUp75

    Bryan Price is building his own case against Bryan Price.

  22. BigRedMike

    A “proven closer” was the perfect option for the 8th inning. Showed he could handle the pressure : )

  23. IndyRedMan

    Whats Marquis DFA date? Then Jocketty/Price will be up to speed with what every casual Reds fan knew in March

  24. Eric the Red

    1) They need to send Badenhop down–he can go on the DL with “stiff neck syndrome”–to fix whatever is mechanically wrong. This weekend wasn’t his usual disaster results-wise, but he wasn’t putting the ball where he needs to.

    2) If Hoover has stabilized, and Cingrani keeps getting the 8th, we’re one arm away from an adequate bullpen (+Chapman). The other guys can pitch if we’re down a lot of runs. It’s not a great situation, but it’s a lot better than it’s been when Cingrani was in Siberia and Gregg was in the 8th.

    • Robby20

      The bullpen is still a disaster and the latest move was just shifting the chairs on the deck of the titanic.

      • Eric the Red

        Cingrani, Chapman, and Hoover have not been disasters. Get 7 good innings out of your starters, and that’s all you need 😉

        I don’t think Villareal is a big improvement on Gregg. I don’t think Walt has given Price a great set of tools to work with. But at least Price is starting to use his tools a little better.

      • Robby20

        It is the worst bullpen in the National League.

  25. Robby20

    The laughable thing about this is that the Reds talent pool is so thin and their budget so out of whack that they have to continually sign these over the hill players on the cheap. What a joke the organization has become.

    And getting things right with the organization is not a quick fix.

    • jdx19

      The saddest part is that they actually believe they need to sign these over-the-hill guys on the “cheap.” Gregg at $1.5M could have been any of 100 easily available pitchers from anyone’s AAA system at $515,000 or whatever league minimum is this year.

      The thing about replacement-level players is that they are easily replaceable by replacement-level players (for league minimum!)

  26. User1022

    I’m not a huge Jason Marquis fan and fully expect him to blow up horribly, but he has actually pitched halfway decent for a #5 starter thus far.

    His xFIP is 3.99, his K/9 is 7.20 (which is higher than any other year in his career), and in half the games he’s pitched thus far, he’s given the team a quality start, meaning he’s reasonably given his team a chance to win in 50% of his starts. He’s also been the victim of bad luck as his BABIP against is .336. (I’m actually of the opinion that BABIP isn’t entirely dependant on luck, but let’s stick to the narrative.)

    Again, I’m not some Jason Marquis fan, but I think he gets a lot a flak around here when he actually hasn’t been as bad as people seem to think. There are much worse problems the team could try to fix before messing with their #5 starter.

    • GreatRedLegsFan

      I think he’s next in line for the DFA bus

    • Jeremy Conley

      The point is that Marquis being mediocre was totally predictable, in the same way that Gregg stinking up the joint was. Reds fans are tired of being able to see that the players our management tells us are going to be good are actually bad.

      Price was talking about how Marquis was going to be in the rotation all year long when we were in spring training. Anyone with a computer could tell you that Marquis was not a good bet to be good for a whole season.

      • User1022

        I will take “mediocre” from a #5 starter. I think most teams would.

        I don’t think anyone (even Price) expecte Marquis to be “good”, but maybe just “good enough”.

      • jdx19

        See, rather than thinking about whether a player is mediocre or not, the FO should have been thinking in terms of “how do we win enough baseball games to make the playoffs?”

        Well, Jason Marquis represents the classic ‘low-ceiling, somewhat-middling floor’ player. Marquis had/has virtually no chance of being a 2.5-3.0 WAR player this year. Now, he also has a pretty low chance of being a -1.5 WAR player, too. What the front office did was played it safe with Marquis.

        Tabbing Lorenzen or Iglesias as a starter from Day 1 would have been the “trying to win enough games to make the playoffs” play. Sure, they could be disasters and run out a -3.0 WAR season, but their upside (maybe 3.0-3.5 WAR if the baseball gods smiled upon them) is considerably higher than Marquis’ upside.

        Seems like when you make a move like Marquis, you are saying “We are trying to not lose 90 games,” rather than saying “We are trying to win 90 games.”

        Low-ceiling, medium-floor players are not the way to make the playoffs from the Reds’ position going into 2015, IMO.

      • jdx19

        Fun fact to Jeremy’s point: There are 4 Nats pitchers tied for 8th or better in fWAR, thus far.

        (Turns out there are 10 pitchers tied for 8th at 0.9 fWAR, so the Nats have 4 of the top 17 pitchers in the NL in terms of fWAR.)

  27. Jeremy Conley

    All the Reds have to do to get this bullpen situation under control is to call up Iglesias, and let he and Cingrani (and Chapman) pitch multiple innings at a time. Get more innings from good pitchers and you end up getting fewer innings from bad pitchers.

    • greenmtred

      And whom do they call up in August when those bullpen arms fall off?

  28. preacherj

    So, yeah… certainly not a savior, but he can’t be worse than Gregg, can he?

    Is that where we are now?

  29. Grant Freking

    It’s a good move, but unfortunately this move is academic in terms of the team’s playoff chances unless DFAing Gregg is a prelude to a few other moves like moving Marquis out of the rotation, re-organizing the lineup and acquiring a bench bat and a bullpen arm.

  30. wdwrolen2713

    Does anyone know what Gregg’s babip was? Just wondering how much luck was involved and how he differed from his career. One sad but interesting stat:

    Gregg $1.5 million -0.8 WAR
    Lorenzen $0.4 million 0.3 WAR
    Disco $0.5 million 0.5 WAR
    Cingrani $0.5 million 0.2 WAR
    These 3 pitchers are all putting up more wins above replacement than Gregg and cost about the same COMBINED. The reds have a total of 6 pitchers performing better while costing far less than Kevin Gregg. The reds once again prove that we can surely trust our $ (tickets, merch.) with such great minds at the helm. When will reds learn that hiring never-have-beens that are aged beyond repair hardly ever works. Hopefully Byrd can be exception to rule, but he may be just that – a lucky exception.

      • TomatoTovotto

        Quick question, based on a quick perusal of these stats: how does Leake have 0.4 WAR and Cueto double that at 0.9 WAR? I’m not entirely clear on how pitcher WAR are counted, but Leake has almost-as-many IP and a lower ERA (granted, with lower k/9 and higher bb/9). But this doesn’t seem quite right to me. Clearly, Cueto has been the better pitcher, but over twice as “valuable”?

      • jdx19

        Leake’s low K/9 and abnormally low BABIP againt.

        Basically, the system knows he won’t maintain such a low BABIP against, and since he doesn’t strike out a lot of guys, he’ll evevntually have one of thoes games wher ehe give sup 12 hits with 9 of them being seeing-eye singles or bloops.

        I believe bWAR (Baseball Reference) has a lower dependence on strikeouts for their WAR calculation. Might want to hop over there and see what theirs looks like.

  31. David

    I’m reminded of a scene in the classic Disney movie, Angels in the Outfield, when Ranch is completely disgusted with choices made by George Knox and says: “All I can say is it’s about time.”

  32. vegastypo

    On the pregame show tonight, Price was praising Gregg’s professionalism. He also praised Gregg’s leadership, at a time when the Reds didn’t have some of the veterans from the recent past. He mentioned Broxton, unsure who else he named, if any.

    At the risk of piling on, it seems to me that if Gregg was such a professional, he would have gone to Price and asked to pitch in a lesser role until he got things together. The team is supposed to come first.

    • RedAlert

      There goes that leadership crap from Price again – it’s overrated and I’m bout tired of the Reds and Jocketty using it as an excuse to sign some of the washed up dudes they like to sign – it’s a bunch of baloney – not like this team full of rookies

      • jessecuster44

        Yet – the leadership was non-existent last year, according to Mat Latos. So maybe that’s why the call went out to Byrd, Marquis, Maholm, Gregg…

    • jdx19

      Likely just trying not to add insult to injury for Gregg.

      One of the things that I’ve felt, but not had any evidence of, is that Price might get a little too close to his pitchers. It makes treating them fairly more difficult.

      I know GM =/= Manager, but Billy Beane in Moneyball said he doesn’t travel with the team because he didn’t want to form personal relationships with the players.

      While some will certainly disagree, I think that’s the correct way to go about things. Rah rah friend-type guys can only get so far. Once you stop being able to manage objectively, it becomes a problem. Might as well skip it all together!

  33. jdx19

    Pretty hilarious that this thread already has over 100 comments. I suppose Mr. Gregg was a hot topic, eh? 🙂

  34. Brian Dunn (@surrfinTexas)

    I watched Gregg blow chunks in a spring training game vs. Cubs. I mean he efforted but it looked bad two months ago, and now the Reds have the worst BP in MLB, mainly because of Gregg and Badenhop.

  35. Steve Schoenbaechler

    I believe Price got caught in the thought that Gregg like others was “a veteran” and, thus, deserved a spot on the roster, essentially the Baker “We need to get him going” Syndrome. Price didn’t consider that who’s going to be the future of this team? Definitely not Gregg. It could be any one of another half dozen pitchers, but not Gregg. And, this would come from ST, not just now. But, Price got caught in that “veterans deserve to play”-“We need to get him going” Baker Syndrome. And, thus,we have what we have.

    • David

      I request that the next manager has never met Dusty Baker.

  36. Chris

    Got to do more research when selecting players, especially pitchers. Well, you live and learn and so will the Reds. Better things to come!