Final R H E
Chicago Cubs (4-3) 2 5 0
Cincinnati Reds (5-3) 3 7 0
W: DeSclafani (1-0) L: Arrieta (1-1) S: Chapman (3)
FanGraphs Win Probability | Box Score

The Good
–Anthony DeSclafani posted a very strong start in his second outing as a Red: seven shutout innings, permitting just two hits while striking out five. The more I look at this kid, the more I like what I see.

–Joey Votto — who is a good baseball player — was 2-3 with a double, a walk, and an RBI. No other Red had more than one hit, though Zack Cozart did have a double.

The Bad
–Kevin. Gregg. The Reds had a 3-0 lead as they entered the bottom of the eighth. DeSclafani had just pitched seven brilliant innings, and the Reds were in good shape. Or so you’d think.

Gregg promptly walked the leadoff hitter, then gave up a home run to pinch hitter Welington Castillo. All of a sudden, it’s a 3-2 game and the Nation started getting really nervous.

–Bryan Price. With two outs in the eighth, a one-run lead, and the heart of the Cubs order at the plate, manager Bryan Price chose to go with Tony Cingrani. I like Cingrani, and I think he’ll be a fine pitcher for the Reds. But why not go with Aroldis Chapman there? Why wait until the ninth, with Chapman facing the Chicago 5-6-7 hitters? Why not use your best reliever at the most important moment in the game?

Cingrani gave up a single and a walk, to make things more interesting. He did ultimately escape the jam, for which I’m thankful. But Price’s refusal to use his best pitcher in the eighth inning is so very frustrating.

–Back to Bryan Price for a moment. The score was 3-2 when Cingrani entered, and it was 3-2 because Price chose to go back to Kevin Gregg as his “eighth inning guy” once again. At what point does it become clear to Price that this non-roster invitee who never should have made the roster in the first place simply isn’t capable of handling an important role in the bullpen?

Yes, he recorded a lot of saves a long time ago. Who cares? Gregg isn’t fooling any hitters these days.

–Jay Bruce made a really bone-headed baserunning gaffe in the fourth inning. On that same play, Brandon Phillips was leveled by Chicago SS Starlin Castro as he slid into third base. Phillips was ultimately forced to leave the game; he said he was “light-headed” and was replaced by Skip Schumaker, but tests after the game evidently cleared BP to play as soon as tomorrow.

Not-So-Random Thoughts
–The Reds are back in first place, all by themselves. This is a good thing.

–Anthony DeSclafani’s nickname is “Disco,” acquired as a freshman at the University of Florida. This nickname makes me very happy, for some reason.

–I’ll have more on DeSclafani in Cincinnati Magazine in the morning. Suffice to say that I am optimistic about his potential.

–Reds evened the series at one game each. Rubber match tomorrow night. It will be a battle of pitchers facing their former club: Jason Marquis vs. Travis Wood.

100 Responses

  1. Vanessa Galagnara

    Two,things I am certain we can all agree on
    1. DeSclafani is one of the more difficult names to spell and apparently one of the more difficult pitchers to hit. This guy is doing a fantastic job!
    2. Kevin Gregg. One of the easiest names to spell and most obviously one of the easiest pitchers to hit. What day do we see his release?

    • lwblogger2

      A little birdie told me that Bryan Price really, really likes Gregg. He’s gonna get a really long leash. I have no idea what Price sees in him, I really don’t. What I see happening, at least in the immediate future, is Gregg not pitching in the 8th with a lead.

      • gaffer

        How can anyone like 90 mph with no movement right down the middle.

      • Matt WI

        Well then Price better get back into pitching coach mode and start making this project go.


    I’m trying to remember a player who has performed worse as a Red, and been given so many opportunities as Gregg (Corey Patterson, Brian Reith, Ondrusek, Cormier?)….his ERA = 17.18 now, what would it be if you included the exhibition in Montreal…..what does he have to do to be gone?

    • Andrewpky

      Josias Manzanillo, aka Gasoline.

      • lwblogger2

        He was let go very quickly that season.

      • Andrewpky

        Yes, he was around for 2-3 weeks. I remember watching him blow up in old Busch Stadium. I guess it will be around the same time frame for Gregg.

    • Bill Lack

      In Chad’s listing of Bryan Price, I was surprised to see him omit going to Gregg AGAIN. Whether you like and/or trust Hoover, I think it’d be hard to argue with the fact that he’s been more effective than anyone except Chapman in the bullpen and deserves the chance in a high leverage situation. I don’t know what Price is waiting on.

    • greenmtred

      Ondrusek wasn’t bad every time he pitched, just frequently.

      • redmountain

        Ondrusek was good early and bad late. LeCure was bad early and good late. Perhaps, since Gregg has a history, he is getting the first shot.

    • Philboyd

      Are memories that short? For about two-thirds of last year an appearance by J.J. Hoover into a game was a guarantee of a Reds loss. YOu don’t make it to 1-10 without being pretty wretched.

      • Big56dog

        But he has got a 0.00 ERA, how can Price not see that Hoover is the 2nd coming of Broxton

  3. CTRedsFan

    What was Einstein’s definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results?

    I wonder if Price or Jocketty could find anyplace where this might be applicable?

  4. preacherj

    I believe there must be a lift on the commenting standards whenever Gregg comes into a game. Not only should profanity be allowed, it should be encouraged.

    Meet the new boss, same as the old boss……

    • Hotto4Votto

      I support this idea. In the meantime, I’ve been using the word “Gregg” as a stand in for all sorts of words. i.e. “You have to be Gregging kidding me!”

      • jdx19

        I gregging love it! I’m going to start doing it.

  5. CTRedsFan

    On a more positive note, congrats to Disco, first win, hopefully of many to come, as a Red. And first win for a Reds starter this season. Very nicely pitched game.

    • SlyMcBean

      I couldn’t agree more. Gregg will be gone soon enough and Disco will be pitching for us for the next five years. I know this has been said before but Walt should be complimented on the Latos for Disco trade. Looking like a great deal so far.

      • robcheshire

        Please define “soon enough”…?!

        Clearly, what we need is to find 50,000 Reds fans to each kick in 30 bucks to make Uncle Bob whole on the Gregg deal, before we are going to see the back of this madness.

        Can we do a Kickstarter fund….

      • lwblogger2

        After a disaster of a 1st start, Latos’ 2nd start wasn’t so great either. 4+IP, 5H, 3R, 2ER, 3BB, 5K, 80 pitches.

  6. seattle-red

    Has there been a game yet when you experts haven’t suggested using the Missile for at least one if not multiple innings? 300 innings for the year should just about do it right? I don’t ever want to see Gregg on the mound again either but your only solution Chappy, is wearing thin.

    • Joe Atkinson

      While I can’t disagree that having Chapman as the only solution suggested is a problem, I do have to acknowledge that this is likely less a flaw in the Redleg Nation than a flaw in the Redleg Bullpen. Personally, after Gregg’s first meltdown or two, I wanted to see Jumbo get a shot at the 8th; a classic case of needing to be more careful what I wish for. So now that he’s melted down a couple of times, I was thinking, “I wonder if Cingrani can nail down the 8th.” And last night, he came in and tossed a bit of gas on the fire. Parra clearly isn’t the answer. I’ll agree with whoever else has commented here who wants to see Hoover take a shot, because before last year’s train wreck, he had “Future Closer” written all over him; it’s early, but last year is feeling like an aberration for him, and I’d like to give him a chance to earn the 8th back. But after that … well … unless they call up Lorenzen or Iglesias, we’re going to be calling for Chapman to throw 300 innings simply because we lack better options.

      • lwblogger2

        I do have some Hoover concerns that aren’t all about last year. I love that he misses bats but I feel that he walks too many and gives up too many flyballs (and likely HR) to be a good closer. I like him in the earlier innings. I also like him in leverage situations where you need to miss bats.

      • charlottencredsfan

        Hate to say this but if JJ would be more aggressive with hard stuff inside, I think that HR rate would go down and we’d have our set-up man. I know Price said they were working on it in ST but I haven’t seen much evidence. He has the stuff to do it.


    Kevin Gregg —- 11 runs/earned runs, 11 hits,3 BB in 5 appearances spanning 4.1 innings, ERA 22.86, WHIP 3.23, opponents hit .458 including the 4/4/15 exhibition in Montreal v. Toronto. .

  8. JMO

    Kudos to Walt for acquiring Disco. Awesome performance.

  9. Jake

    I don’t understand Price’s decision to keep running the worst pitcher in our bullpen out there almost every night. Why Price? What a stupid decision. If this keeps up we need to DFA Price and Gregg

    • SoCalRedsFan

      He’s not only the worst pitcher in the Cincinnati bullpen, he’d be the worst in the Louisville, Pensacola or Daytona pens, as well! He needs to go….NOW!

    • Andrewpky

      Three run lead with the bottom of the lineup coming up…

  10. villain612

    How can the same front office be so right about Disco….but be so terribly wrong on giving Kevin Gregg a roster spot.

    • mtkal

      I asked the same question on another forum. Mind boggling really. And then to keep running him out there in important situations? If you think he can come around why not wait till a game is out of hand one way or the other and send him out there to get straitened out in a situation where a 2 run HR won’t matter.

    • jdx19

      We don’t know how the negotiations went. Maybe Jocketty didn’t “want” Disco, he just got him…

      What I mean by that is maybe the Reds were just looking for a team to take Latos, and Miami said “We’ll take hiM!” Walt says “Sure! What will ya gimme?” Uh, how about Disco and Wallach? “Sign the papers!”

      Maybe Jocketty DID specifically want Disco, but I tend to think it was just a way to get rid of Latos.

  11. JMO

    Cueto, Bailey, Leake, Disco.. Pretty good 1-4. Walt’s priority should be on the BULLPEN. We have internal weapons, use them.

  12. Jake

    On a side note, I’m really liking how the middle of the lineup is starting to hit

  13. sultanofswaff

    I was at the game tonight (courtesy of the Redleg Nation ticket partners—-USE THEM. Seriously, I got a better deal on tickets than if I had gone thru stubhub). It seems the Cubs fans didn’t get the memo about them being competitive this year—the place was half full on a decent night. It was pretty neat to see the fans who were there get all jacked up in the bottom of the 9th…….until Chappy threw his first pitch. You could hear crickets after that. Never witnessed anything like it before.

    On Bruce’s TOOTBLAN—to me and a lot of others it appeared that Phillips was requesting time by raising his arm. Like many in the stadium, Bruce probably thought the play was over. I give him a pass.

    Disco has a composure about him that is unusual for such a young guy. Doesn’t hurt to have pinpoint control either. It was especially encouraging to see his mow down the Cubs with his secondary stuff the third time thru their order. I know we give Walt a lot of crap, but this trade is a big win for our side. That’s gotta be worth something.

    Walks……..again. Every reliever issued a walk. This has to stop.

    If Price doesn’t use Chapman tonight for a 4 out save, he never will. What was most astonishing was that even though Cingrani had warmed up in between innings, he didn’t come in after Gregg’s walk and HR. I mean, Tony was already hot and yet Price deliberately left Gregg out there—-it’s like Price wanted the Reds to fail!!!!

    • earmbrister

      I don’t know how much more that Chapman can pitch. He’s pitched in 5 of 8 games, and is on pace for a 101 IP season. He also warmed up two nights ago, but did not come into the game.

      Don’t disagree with using him for more than an inning from time to time, but it can’t be during a stretch when he’s pitching almost every night. Chapman did not appear to have his best stuff last night. That also may have been the case on the opening night of the series, or perhaps worse, which may be why he didn’t enter the game.

      • PDunc

        I was slightly encouraged when I looked at the team stats yesterday and saw that Chapman has the most innings pitched out of the bullpen so far this season. I am afraid though that if he is used in only “save situations” that he won’t have the most bullpen innings pitched at the end of the season.

      • Bill Lack

        I see your concern, but lets also remember that right now, all games have been close, thus he’s been either used or possibly used (warmed up). That won’t last, there will be blowouts (both ways I hope) in which he won’t be used or warmed up. That being said, I’d love for him to be used closer to 100 innings.

      • tct

        But he was going to use him to pitch the ninth anyway, as long as they didn’t blow the lead. So what’s the difference between getting three outs and four? There will be some blowouts soon, and Chapman will get some rest. He could have gotten rest last night, had Gregg not giving up two runs in the eighth. But as long as there are high leverage situations late in the game, they should use him because he is the only reliever they have who is consistently an above average pitcher. Price doesn’t have a lot of good choices in the pen but he could definitely use them better than he does.

      • i71_Exile

        The difference between getting three outs and four is the half inning break and how that impacts the pitcher’s arm/body. Pitching two innings basically means a reliever is unavailable the following night.

      • tct

        So having Chapman pitch the ninth is okay, but having him face one batter, hopefully, in the eighth and then sit down for five minutes before pitching the ninth is going to ruin him? The guy took a 100+mph line drive to the face last year and was back in less than two months. He lived under Castro and then defected and endured some really rough times just to come to the US. But those five to ten minute breaks sitting on a bench are going to break him? Come on, man. He’s not made of glass.

    • Steve Mancuso

      Sultan, thanks for using TiqIQ!

  14. ChrisInVenice

    Two things about Gregg:
    1) perhaps his roster spot is temporary due to a service time consideration with a minor leaguer ( Lorenzen)?
    2) maybe Price is running him out there to showcase him for release to Walt?

    • MrRed

      Boy, that’s an expensive placeholder! I honestly think the Reds FO truly believed Gregg would be the best solution and that they didn’t want to commit one of their promising young pitchers to the bullpen yet.

      I do like your second theory though!

    • Jake

      I thought about that last option. Maybe Price being passive aggressive towards his boss

      • Aaron Bradley

        If that is the case he needs to drop better hints to us the fans aka the revolting peasants or he will be an easy scapegoat this July.

  15. aktrainer

    I usually can handle poor decisions made in the game, preferring to not get too stressed over one minor mistake over the course of a long season. But as soon as Price put Gregg in tonight, I was furious…and justifiably so!
    But overall, the Reds got the win, “Disco Biscuit” was exceptional, and I’m glad to hear that BP isn’t concussed and will be available to play tomorrow. Making the defensive play that he did after getting shaken up on the base paths is a real sign of Grit, IMO.

  16. mtkal

    The Latos trade looks really good even before we know how Chad Wallach turns out.

    I’ve read that baseball people generally thought that Iglesias would be a good reliever. What was it that made the Reds decide to make him a starter? He certainly looked good his first 3 or 4 innings the other day then ran out of steam and tapered off. Would the bull pen preclude him from being a starter later on? I know he’d have to be stretched back out, but that doesn’t seem like such a big deal compared to the urgent present need in the bullpen. I just wonder what has made them think he could stretch out in the first place.

    • lwblogger2

      I think the Reds saw him as a 4-pitch pitcher and that other teams didn’t like his curve or change. I think the Reds saw the curve and change as pitches with plus potential where other teams did not.

      • tct

        I think that the Reds believe that if a guy is a good athlete and has a good fastball/slider combo, then they can teach him the change and turn him into a starter. Lorenzen, Howard, and Cingrani were all college relievers who were essentially two pitch guys that the Reds drafted with the intention of turning them into starters.

      • lwblogger2

        Yeah and Iglesias had the curve and change already, so they weren’t working from scratch.

  17. Redgoggles

    When does the 10 day rule expire? (games or days?) I wonder if we won’t see some bullpen shuffling then. Namely, Sam. (although I’m not thrilled with him as the 8th inning guy either.) I wonder what Todd Coffey is doing?

  18. wizeman

    What happened to Sampson. Did I read somewhere that he is nursing a sore arm? He would have been an option here. I don’t mind him giving Gregg one more chance. We were lucky. I think he has seen enough and I expect we won’t see him anymore.

    The easy answer is to bring Iglesias back… but let’s be honest. We are building a rotation for next year. Stretching out Iglesias and Lorenzen is the smarter long term move.

    • wizerman

      Along these lines. Pretty impressive start by Moscot at Louisville.

    • PDunc

      I agree that we need to prepare to fill holes in the rotation for 2016. If the bullpen isn’t fixed this season though, then we might as well go ahead and trade Cueto now because this season will not go well.

  19. gusnwally

    Funny that AKTRAINOR said he was “justifiably” furious. When Gregg threw the Home run ball, I turned off the game and watched “Justified”. Was not going to watch another pitch.

  20. Aaron Bradley

    barely over a week into the season and the Reds nation has officially exausted the supply of “disco” cliches. *SIGH*

  21. Matt WI

    Next time Price calls the bullpen for Gregg to warm up in any kind of close game, the correct answer by whoever gets the phone is: “I’m sorry, he’s not available at the moment, would you like leave a message at his office?” And then make a toilet flushing sound.

  22. lost11found

    Great start again by DeScalfani. I was really impressed seeing him in person at Goodyear.

    While I agree on the idea of using Chapman for 1+ innings. the case could be made for doing so in each of the last 4 games. Unfortunately for us fans, the days of Goose Gossage are pretty much over.

    A couple of days ago, Steve lauded Matheny for breaking the closer rules. I’d argue it was small sample size. He was managing with house money wrt his bullpen. Due the sunday night game and a rain out. Sunday’s red/cards game was only the 5th game in 8 days. Almost a post-season schedule. Not apples and oranges but more like Granny smith’s vs Fuji’s. Still I’d like to see some sign of flexibility by Pryce.

  23. Andrewpky

    I see the reason for Price using Gregg (put the pitchforks down, please). 1. Reds had a three run lead with the bottom of the lineup coming up. Price was trying to save his best pitchers for higher leverage situations. 2. You’re NOT using Diaz and Parra after what happened last night. 3. Gregg was a former cubs closer, so… yeah I’m out of reasons.

    • Andrewpky

      Oh, yeah. 3) The Cubs had a total of 4 baserunners for the entire game prior to the 8th. The cub offense certainly didn’t seem to be knocking the cover off the ball that night.

      • charlottencredsfan

        Cub as a team are evolving. Second half’s lineup will not look like what you see now. Look for Castro to switch positions with Bryant and Russel in there too.

    • citizen54

      The Leverage Index when Gregg came into the game yesterday was already 1.1, which is considered a medium leverage situation. After he walked the first batter it rose to 2.1, which is considered high. At this point, Gregg should only be pitching mop up duty in blow outs.

      • jdx19

        FG says it was 0.92 when Gregg entered and 1.85 when he walked the guy. Not big differences, but they move the classifications down. Gregg entered a low-leverage game in my opinion. If you can’t use him there, you can’t use him anywhere. So, come on DFA!

      • citizen54

        You’re right, I was using approximations from FG is probably more accurate in specific situations.

        I think we can agree though that Gregg has a knack for turning low leverage situations into high leverage situations.

  24. WVRedlegs

    Don’t get too giddy on DeSclafani just yet. He is young. He will have some downs along with these ups right now. But, no doubt, he is a good pitcher. I said earlier in spring training that in the #4 spot of the rotation he could be a 12-13 game winner this year. He looks like a perfect replacement for Leake’s spot in the rotation next year and move up a spot to #3 in the rotation. Maybe that is why Leake hasn’t heard anything about an extension from the Reds yet.

    • [email protected]

      I see Leake as just a QO

      He needs to kick it into gear as he has had the 2 worst starts this year

      Would not have expected that with his great spring

      There is zero chance of any long term contract discussion for Leake

      • lwblogger2

        Never say “zero chance” … Honestly, if he can get it together again (and I think he can), I think if he could be had for a similar deal as Lohse (maybe with a 4th year) or even a tad higher on the AAV (maybe up to $12-million) then I think the Reds would have to at least consider it.

      • reaganspad

        I would pay $12.0 mil for 2016 in the QO scenario, but I see us being able to cash in on our pitching investment next year.

        I just cannot see us spending $60 million on 5 years of a #4 starter when we have such good talent in the pipeline.

        I’ll pass on the long term deal for Mike Leake.

        DeSclafani is showing that we can find 12-13 win pitchers that will cost a lot less money.

        Now if we are talking about resigning Cueto, I will discuss that anytime. whole different conversation

      • lwblogger2

        I wouldn’t go 5 years. I’m sort of against doing that for any pitcher, a la the O’s view on signing pitchers. Of course that’s also why you wouldn’t see me signing Cueto.

      • charlottencredsfan

        To me, Mike Leake is a nice solid starter who takes the ball every 5th day. He regressed in 2014 and may have topped out. The way I look at this, is what is the replacement cost? I see ML has a very marginal #3 and a decent #4 with his best attribute being dependability. $12 million per, I believe is too high even for a one year contract. Unfortunately I view Bailey much the same way. Homer’s best attribute is upside but he is not a kid anymore and 2013 is looking like it might be his zenith. Plus his health issues.

        Cueto on the other hand is very special. If you roll the numbers and we look at Bailey & Votto’s salaries moving forward, Cueto is a luxury that is not affordable. Take a look: JV will be paid $20M jn 2016, HB $18M, and a conservative estimate for Cueto might be another $20M. Add it all up and you are looking at paying “$58M” for 3 players and I’d estimate (generously) a $120M payroll next year. The math doesn’t work. That is a top heavy scenario that I doubt any of us would support. Can’t do.

      • WVRedlegs

        Sign Cueto to an extension, hope for rebound years from Bailey and Bruce. Then trade Bailey, Bruce, Chapman, and Cozart next winter. Re-tool around Cueto and Votto, Frazier and Mes.

      • charlottencredsfan

        WV – then you still have a quarter of your payroll tied up in 2 players. Is that really wise?

      • charlottencredsfan

        Hold on, it is worse than that, a “third” of the payroll.

      • reaganspad

        I tend to agree with WVRedlegs on Cueto.

        Special players are rare.

        I would then be open to any and all of the trades suggested, Jay Bruce being the toughest to trade now that he has found LF is actually in fair territory

      • charlottencredsfan

        Kind of like Christmas when you were 10 – 12 years old and you really wanted to get that super-dupper Schwinn 10-speed bike but the folks can only afford a Huffy. JC is probably my favorite player in all of MLB. Great guy, smart, and competitive as anyone you will find. The numbers just can’t work and it is very frustrating.

  25. jdx19

    Gregg needs to toss 10 1/3 scoreless innings from this point to get his ERA back to the barely acceptable level of 4.50.

  26. sezwhom

    When Price uses Gregg again and he will, IF he walks the first batter he faces, I pull him. Send a message. Throw strikes or you’re out. Every stinkin’ night in the 8th inning, a Reds reliever walks the first hitter he pitches to. Come on.

  27. SoCalRedsFan

    How many times in a row have we had a reliever come into the game and walk the first guy they face? It seems like it’s been about 8 in a row! (excluding The Missile)

  28. VaRedsFan

    I’m all for Gregg going, but I hope it’s not for LeCure. NO MORE PUFFBALLERS. Of coarse it probably will be, because he already is being paid a major league salary

  29. brmreturns

    Scary stats on 8th inning pitching woes :

    The 8th inning accounts for 10.5% of all IP so far this year. Those innings have accounted for :
    22% of all Hits given up
    33% of all ER
    40% of all HR

    Overall staff ERA 3.66
    8th inning ERA 11.25
    Staff ERA (minus 8th) 2.77

    The 2.77 also includes Gregg’s extra inning meltdown. Staff ERA is 2.58

  30. B. Price

    Through 3 2/3 innings, Gregg has an FIP of 12.79 and an xFIP of 5.01. Impressively, his WAR is -0.5. I’m amazed it is that high and not lower. He is on pace to pitch 74 innings and, based on his WAR/IP thus far, he would be good for -10 WAR.

    Is that bad?


      for more laughs (cries!), add the 4/4/15 exhibition in Montreal to your calcs……

  31. andyrichin

    For the love of God, please, do NOT pitch Gregg, Kevin under any circumstances. How do you continue to see playing time when your 2015 stats are this: 4 games, 3.2 IP, 7 ER and 3 HR. WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING PRICE?

  32. brmreturns

    4/15 Lineup

    1. Billy Hamilton (S) CF
    2. Joey Votto (L) 1B
    3. Todd Frazier (R) 3B
    4. Brandon Phillips (R) 2B
    5. Marlon Byrd (R) LF
    6. Jay Bruce (L) RF
    7. Brayan Pena (S) C
    8. Zack Cozart (R) SS
    9. Jason Marquis (L) P

    • lwblogger2

      Not sure why they can’t flip-flop 4 and 6 but hey, I’m glad BP is back in the lineup after the collision. I like BP. Don’t like him hitting cleanup but I like him.

      • ohiojimw

        He is suddenly hot right now which fits his profile. Ride him till he cools down.

  33. ohiojimw

    Dodgers have been awarded Ryan Dennick from the Reds on a waiver claim. This is the guy DFAed along with Corcino on Monday.

    So here is one arm a failure to properly plan has cost the Reds. No word yet on Corcino but then since they have 10 days to reach disposition on him, he might not have been waived yet.

    • lwblogger2

      Not too upset about losing Dennick but as you said, why lose an arm at all. The front-office is just disgusting me since the break last year and on through now.

      • ohiojimw

        It would be interesting to checkout how many teams had some sort of third catcher contingency in place because of this twist in the 10 day down rule starting point. Of course most teams if need be would just bite the bullet and DL the guy so they could recall a 40 man player and have a backup catcher without having to play a man short and DFAing somebody to boot.

        Still the situation with Meso to me pales compared to the situation of filling the spot vacated by Iglesias because Meso was at least an injury while by most accounts they had planned all along to option Iglesias after the one start unless they moved him to the pen. I’m guessing if they hadn’t burned through the pen along with the two extra inning games before Monday, they would have held off optioning Iglesias until right before Bailey’s start since presumably by now Iglesias would have been available to work from the pen for the Reds.

        My underlying concern with Meso is that the foul ball he took in the mask Sunday may have more to do with his absence than his hip. Presumably the Docs know what they are treating Meso for but the team isn’t bound to be publicly forthright unless they make a roster move involving him.

      • lwblogger2

        Yeah, it is all pretty strange… As for Mes’ head, lets just hope that it is the hip and not the head. If he is going to have problems every time he gets hit in the mask, then a position change has to be in order. I don’t think that’s the case and I don’t think they are hiding anything but you never know.