Jason Marquis allowed five runs in four innings, as the Reds fell 5-0 in Chicago on Wednesday night. Marquis struggled from the very beginning of the game, allowing a leadoff double, followed by a two run home run by Anthony Rizzo. The 36 year old right-hander’s night also featured a bases loaded hit by pitch in the second inning. Former Red, Travis Wood dominated the Reds lineup, shutting the Reds out for seven innings.

Final R H E
 Cincinnati Reds (5-4) 0 4 2
 Chicago Cubs (5-3) 5 11 0
W: Wood (1-1) L: Marquis (0-1)
FanGraphs Win Probability | Box Score | Game Thread



Biggest Play of the Game

According to Fangraphs WPA statistic (winning percentage added), the most important play of the game was Anthony Rizzo’s 2-run home run in the first inning off Jason Marquis. That play decreased the Reds chances of winning by 14.1% (from 39.2% to 25.1%).

Other important plays (+/- indicates how much each play increased or decreased the Reds chances of winning):

  • -8.6%: 2nd inning – Jason Marquis allowed an RBI single to Herrera. Cubs lead 3-0. Runners on 1st & 3rd, 1 out.
  • -6.3%: 1st inning – Jason Marquis allowed a double to Dexter Fowler to lead off the inning.
  • -5.2%: 2nd inning – Jason Marquis hits Soler by a pitch with the bases loaded. Cubs lead 4-0.

Player of the Game

Travis Wood: 7.0 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 2 BB, 7 K, .165 WPA

The ex-Reds dominated the Reds once again. Wood entered tonight with a 2.98 career ERA against the Reds in 10 starts.


Jason Marquis had a really bad start. Why exactly is this a positive? Let me explain…..If Marquis would have gone six innings and allowed four runs, someone could have confused that as an “alright start.” There was no confusion tonight. Marquis was absolutely terrible, and maybe, just maybe, if we are lucky it will push the arrival of Michael Lorenzen or the re-arrival of Raisel Iglesis back into the Reds roation replacing good ole’ Jason Marquis. It is simply inexcusable to have Marquis in the rotation. Expecting a 36 year old who hasn’t had an ERA below 4.00 in the last 11 years to be anything less than terrible is just silly.

Joey Votto broke up a perfect game with a walk in the forth inning. Is he paid to do that?

Brandon Phillips broke up a no-hitter immediately following Votto’s walk with a single. Phillips had a good series against the Cubs, going 7 for 11.

The Reds bullpen actually had a good game. Badenhop, Parra, and Villarreal combined for four scoreless innings after Marquis exited the game.


Sadly, this probably wasn’t Jason Marquis last start for the Cincinnati Reds. If Kevin Gregg still has a roster spot, Marquis is probably safe for at least anther half dozen starts.

The Reds defense was a little shaky to say the least.

pena votto

Not so random thoughts………

Pace of play alert: this game lasted a whopping 2 hours and 39 minutes.

The Cubs television broadcast is terrific. It is by far the best in the NL Central. My NL Central TV broadcast Power Rankings:

  1. Cubs
  2. Brewers
  3. Reds
  4. Cardinals
  5. Pirates (so, so, so, bad)

Up next

The Reds will have the day off on Thursday, before traveling to St. Louis for a three game series beginning on Friday. Sunday’s game will be at 8:00 pm, and televised on ESPN as part of Sunday Night Baseball. In the Reds last 33 series in St. Louis, they are 3-28-2, dating back to 2003. The Reds will send Cueto, Bailey, and Leake to the mound this weekend.

100 Responses

  1. Greg Dafler

    That was Wood’s third consecutive scoreless appearance against the Reds. He’s thrown 19 straight scoreless frames against Cincinnati.

    • Don

      Too bad we let him get away (though I understand why deal was made at time)

      • Robby20

        Another move that has worked for out for Jocketty.

      • Robby20

        that should be has not worked out.

      • charlottencredsfan

        Unfortunately every other NL Central team bombs him If he pitched for the only team in the division that could hit him (Reds), how much value would he have?

      • tct

        What bothered me about that trade was that you gave up a left handed starter with five years of team control left, as well as two other prospects, for a left handed reliever who only had one year of team control. Who’s to say if you put Wood in the pen that he wouldn’t be as effective as Marshall was? Marshall was a failed starter after all, while Wood was still starting.

        Of course, Marshall was pretty good in 2012. But Walt signed him to an extension and it has worked out like most expensive contracts for thirty plus year old relievers have.

      • Robby20

        There isn’t a team in major league baseball that wouldn’t love to have Travis Wood on their team.

      • Steve Mancuso

        Wood: 173 innings of 5.03 ERA last year. Career xFIP of 4.46. I’d pass.

      • Robby20

        You’d pass in favor of Marquis? I know the answer. Of course not.

      • Steve Mancuso

        That’s not the choice (remember, if I’m the GM). Neither Marquis or Wood would pitch for me. Travis Wood just hasn’t been that great. I repeat, he had a an ERA over 5.00 last year in 173 innings. I’d have Lorenzen, Iglesias, Cingrani and maybe Dylan Axelrod ahead of Wood. Where would Wood’s 5.00 ERA have played on last year’s Reds team? That’s a higher ERA than Hoover or Parra last year.

      • i71_Exile

        Then every GM must must expect their offense to score 6 runs a game. Travis Wood barely made the Cubs roster. There was brief scuttlebutt that he might be available by trade. Just because he’s good against the Reds doesn’t mean he’s good.

      • Robby20

        I never said Wood was a star.. I said there wasn’t a team in baseball that wouldn’t want him. If the Cubs cut him he will quickly get claimed. He is absolutely a better option then Marquis as the Reds fifth starter. And he is absolutely a better option than Manny Parra or Tony Cingrani out of the bullpen. We can agree to disagree.

      • i71_Exile

        Sure, after last night, if the option is Marquis or Wood, I’d take Wood. After the Brewers or Cardinals bomb him for five runs, I’d be looking elsewhere. We are talking about the bottom of the roster. Every team has one and they generally stink.

        Let’s wait until Homer returns, Lorenzen spends enough time in the minors to avoid starting his arbitration clock, and see how things shake out.

      • Big56dog

        What GM would take Wood over Cingrani?, are you serious or is that just a typo?
        You might have a debateable argument if you are considering Cingrani cannot last that long as a starter, but it just seems Cingrani stuff is that of an effective reliever, possible closer and Wood’s stats are much more closer to Parra’s

      • tct

        You know who else had an ERA over 5 in their last year as a starter? Andrew Miller, Wade Davis, Zack Duke and Sean Marshall himself. Failed starters who became productive relievers, three of them lefties like Wood.

        The question isn’t Wood or Marquis. Travis wasn’t sticking in the Reds rotation after 2012. The question is Wood in the pen vs. Marshall on the DL. Or Wood vs. Manny Parra. The Reds could have tried Wood in the pen and had him for five more years. Instead they traded for Marshall, who was an older, failed starter, with only one year of team control left. Then they compounded the mistake by extending him.

      • jdx19

        Obviously you’ve never heard of the Washington Nationals, Robby20.

      • Robby20

        Travis Wood might be a nice addition to the Nats bullpen.

  2. JMO

    Just awful day all around. Wood is filthy against the Reds..

  3. Chris

    Ha – I agree that the Pirates play-by-play team is atrocious. Good to know others agree. Though I don’t know why it’s good to know that.

    • Robby20

      Agree 100% They are actually hard to listen to.

  4. CTRedsFan

    What is there to say? The Reds played this game as if it did not matter. Woeful.

    • JustGoingThroughTheMotions

      Jocketty runs the franchise as if winning doesn’t matter.

    • Chris Miller

      Probably hard to get excited offensively when you know your starter is going to get bombed. It’s borderline criminal that Marquis is on this team and starting; same with Gregg, but in the bullpen.

  5. vegastypo

    ‘Scuse me, but have Lorenzen or Iglesias ever pitched for the Cardinals? I think not …

  6. ohiojimw

    I left the game when John Fay left the radio booth before the second inning was finished. I had the back TV on with the DVR behind it but it sounds like time wasted to go back and review any of it.

  7. The Next Janish

    According to Fangraphs WPA statistic (winning percentage added), the most important play of the game was having Marquis pitch, the game was mathematically conceded at that point.

    • Pooter

      I think the game was decided the day Marquis put on a Cardinal jersey. From that moment on he was destined to be a washed up signee for Uncle Walt.

    • earmbrister

      I don’t know what you expect to get from your fifth starter.

      Jeff Sackmann wrote an article for The Hardball Times that talked about what you should expect from different rotation spots. He wrote:

      After going through that procedure for all thirty MLB teams, we can make some generalizations. To start with, here are the averages for each rotation position:

      Lg #1 #2 #3 #4 #5
      MLB 3.60 4.14 4.58 5.10 6.24
      AL 3.70 4.24 4.58 5.09 6.22
      NL 3.51 4.04 4.57 5.11 6.26

      What immediately jumps out at me is how high the #4 and #5 ERAs are. If there’s one thing most people agree on when they talk about rotation spots, it’s that a guy with an ERA over 5.00 ought to be your #5 starter. As it turns out, fewer than half of major league teams could claim an ERA under 5.00 from their #4 spot.

      We have been spoiled the last few years with a stellar rotation. While it may be satisfying for some to bash WJ at every turn, his pickup of Marquis is pretty routine. On most clubs, the 5th spot is veteran flotsam or an inexperienced pitcher. Marquis has a career ERA of 4.57.

      Reference the chart above, and note that he’s being used as a #5.

      • charlottencredsfan

        Nice information. Does help with perspective and we have been blessed with a very good rotation for quite a few years. Especially when considering the home park.

      • VaRedsFan

        I expect Alfredo Simon-like numbers….He was better than average 85% of the time.

  8. ohiojimw

    Bad as this was tonight, let’s not forget that the Reds lost this series because they failed to hold a 2 run lead in the 8th inning of a game started by their current #2 starter who did not exactly have a good start himself.

    If Bailey returns healthy in reasonable form and the other starters not named Marquis uphold their end, we shouldn’t obsess over the defacto #5 when the real issue is the 7th and 8th inning bullpen work.

    Tonight was unacceptable but if a #5 gives them 6 innings and keeps them competitive more than half his starts, well that’s what being a #5 is about.

    • Robby20

      That’s a pretty low bar you set for a number 5 starter. If Jason Marquis is still starting for the Reds in 2 months that does not bode well for the team’s season. Meanwhile the Reds’ number 5 starter from last year gave up no runs today and won his second game of the year for the Tigers.

      You remember him. He’s the guy the Reds dumped because he was going to be a one year wonder and make too much money this year. If I remember correctly many on this site declared that trade a steal for the Reds. Time will tell I guess just like it has with the Wood for Marshall deal.

      • greenmtred

        I’m glad that you point out how many people here thought that Simon wasn’t good, just lucky. That may yet prove to be the case–early days, after all–but I always thought that he had good stuff. Speaking of which, Marquis does strike people out (peripherals, anyone?), and appears to have some tough pitches in his repertoire, but also appears to lack command of them at critical moments. That loss isn’t entirely on him, in any case: The offense was shut out and only got 4 hits. Ah well…the Cards next.

      • lwblogger2

        Actually, you made my comment for me. The Reds got 4 hits and zero runs from the offense today. It doesn’t matter who the Reds SP was. You can win if you don’t score at all.

      • i71_Exile

        The Marshall trade obviously didn’t work out for the Reds, but the Reds were “all in” at the time and Travis Wood was an extra part. It’s easy to second guess now.

      • jdx19

        He gave up 2 hits on 24 balls in play. That is lucky. No other way to describe it. Even if every single ball in play was a regular grounder, he’d be expected to give up 4-5 hits. There is a reason why even the best pitchers are good all the time. See tha last starts by Kershaw and Strasburg. Bad luck happens sometimes (and good luck) when balls are put into play.

      • charlottencredsfan

        “There is a reason why even the best pitchers are good all the time.” Did you mean “not all the time”?

        Alfredo has a 3.11 ERA from 2012 until now. Very, very lucky guy.

        Strasburg has a 3.17 ERA from 2012 until now. Stephen not so lucky.

        I think Big Pasta isn’t too bad. Rather have Strasburg but he is no Cueto,not by a very long should and should not be mentioned is the same conversation with Johnny or Kershaw. Simon is good pitcher too.

      • jdx19

        Yep, you are right. You caught my typo! My biggest gripe with WordPress is not being able to edit posts.

    • Chris Miller

      I’ve gotta disagree with you. If it was the old version of a #5, where he only starts when there is no off day, I’d probably agree. Now days though, the #5 starter gets as many starts as the #3 and #4 starters. He’s no longer a swing-man type of guy. Also, Marquis will not keep them in the game more than half of the time, and rarely will he go more than 5 innings and leave with less than 4 runs against him. Yes, the 8th inning is a problem, but that doesn’t mean ignore the #5 starter problem.

  9. Pooter

    I might make an addition to the title of this article. Instead of reading, “Cubs steal first place from the Reds, courtesy of Jason Marquis”, it should read “Cubs steal first place from the Reds, courtesy of Jason Marquis and Uncle Walt’s horrible roster construction and absolute and utter oblivion!!!”

    • Robby20

      I said it last year and I will say it again this year. Why is there seemingly little to no talent in the system? Marquis, Gregg, Boesh, Dominguez? How did these guys start the season on the big league roster? The bullpen was awful last year, the bench not much better. How could those issue not be addressed?

      • whereruklu

        Robby20, you got it right. I too had said it last year and poured my heart out this year so far. One of the weakest benches in the division, and no reliable middle relief. Don’t get me started on the starters. #1 is solid, #2 is not a #2 being very inconsistant (Leake). When Homer comes back, the same could almost be said of him. “Mr. NoHitters” has had several lackluster moments, sometimes downright dirty. #3 is …Who is the #3 starter? #4 and #5??? Rejects, Castoffs, or Rehab projects won’t get the job done. Sorry. I got soooo tired of Price going to Bernadina, Neftali Soto, or Hannahan to push across a single run. Skip may be a nice guy, but he’s sure no Jerry Lynch (youngsters, look it up). My verdict is still out on the LF bandaid this year. Looking forward to the time when Walt wakes up and we see Lorenzen, Stephenson, Winker, Iglasias, and maybe a few more laying in wait down there. Can’t possibly do any worse. Cuetto and Chappy are solid as one could ask of them, and Cingrani and Diaz I like and would be willing to keep developing them. In between it’s a crapshoot. I like Negron and would be willing to work with him. He has potential and may be the ss or 2b in the future. In spite of all questiion marks, this team has a pretty good core, if healthy. However, you can’t compete in this ever improving division with only a half team of ballplayers. Walt and Bob must figure out how to control payroll WISELY and spend more ltime developing REAL talent to fit the club. Several of the curent players would have trouble making the roster of the old Houston Colt 45s expansion team. And lastly from my soapbox, Price may have been a pretty good pitching coach, but maybe he belongs in the catagory of Bid McFee, Buckey Walters, Luke Sewell, Christy Mattewson, Rogers Hornsby, Ray Knight, or even Bob Boone- very good to great players, but not so much as managers. Sorry to ramble on, but I do so only in frustration. They will right the ship, but it may take a few more years to get things figured out.

      • jdx19

        Leake, Iglesias, and DeSclafani are not castoffs, rejects, or rehab projects.

      • WVRedlegs

        Unfortunately Robby, those issues were addressed by Jocketty. He signed a slew of players to minor league contracts with invites to spring training. A slew of washed up marginal players and never have beens. He addressed those issues on the cheap, out of the bargain basement bins and dumpsters of MLB. You saw how cheaply he addressed the LF situation. You get what you pay for, rubbish.

      • Robby20

        Amen! Doing it the Reds way! Overspend on some, then piece meal a team together with over the hill veterans. All the while crying poor. The shame of it is there was a very good core here that could have done something special with a GM and owner that would make a big trade or two at the trade deadline to shore up some glaring weaknesses. The window has closed on that roster and now fans have to hope the next crop of young guys are as good as advertised.

        Hope Votto stays healthy, Hamilton continues to develop, Frazier and Mesoraco are the real deal and oh yes, Bruce gets in shape. All those things happen the team will be interesting enough to follow but not good enough to contend. Too many holes.

  10. Robby20

    Brenneman and Brantley spent 5 minutes before the game talking about how hard it would be to hit a home run in tonight’s game because of the wind and cold. They went on to say it was a great night to pitch in Wrigley. So what does Marquis do? He gives up a bomb to the second batter in the game and the game was over.

    The game being over helps explain why the bullpen did well. It is much easier to pitch when the game is not on the line.

  11. tct

    We all know the deal with Marquis. But most people thought the pitching staff would be average at best this year. If the Reds are going to win, they are going to have to hit and play defense. They didn’t do either of those things well tonight. Marquis doesn’t deserve that spot, but piling on him after a game where the Reds couldn’t score a single run seems a bit misguided.

    • Big56dog

      Exactly and against a pitcher the rest of the league seems to have figured out

  12. JMO

    I loved the Latos deal and I even loved the Simon deal, but IMO I think we should have kept Simon for 2015. The rotation would be MUCH stronger and the Reds could legit contend.

    Cueto, Bailey, Leake, Simon, Disco. No Marquis. We’d have no holes in the rotation and we could focus on strengthening the bullpen.

    • Gaffer

      Simon is not very good. Plus the Reds were out of money. As bad as Marquis was, we can’t win when you score no runs. Cueto lost the other day when that happened to him too. I’m not sure if it mattered who played tonight.

    • Chris Miller

      I was a big fan of Simon last year, but I had no problem with trading him. Also, this rotation could already be much stronger, if management wasn’t so intent on having Marquis in it. Lorenzen looks very, very, ready, and if he’s the real deal, the rotation automatically looks WAY better than right now.

    • jdx19

      Saying Simon is better than Marquis is is a given. But it made sense to get rid of him when his stock was high. He’s very, very unlikely to have another year this year like last year (and last year’s wasn’t even super phenomenal).

  13. Paul

    Sure you can pin this one on Marquis, but if my math is correct he could have pitched a complete game and given up only one run and the Reds would have still lost. Wood continuing to own the Reds is the real story.

    These are the kind of games I like to see Marquis and Gregg in. If the Reds can’t score a single run, it doesn’t matter if they give up one or ten.

    • Gaffer

      Yep that’s why he will stick around for a while.

    • Big56dog

      If Marquis only gives up 1 run, then Price uses a different strategy. 1st 2 guys on in the 8th, you sacrifice and set up the big inning, good things always happen when you sacrifice

  14. charlottencredsfan

    One has to wonder if Homer Bailey had pitched, would the headline of the post been the same. Never seen a team win a game that didn’t score a single run. Interesting.

    • Matt WI

      Yeah, hat tip to Mr. Wood. Always liked him. Remember when he and Leake were fighting it out to make the roster? Some good drafting there.

      • Steve Mancuso

        The Reds ended up with the right part of that deal (no pun intended). Mike Leake has been a much better and more consistent pitcher.

      • Robby20

        No doubt about that. However, Travis Wood is much better than the Reds current fifth starter and likely the fourth starter. And I’d rather have him out of the bullpen than Cingrani or Parra. (not to mention Wood was dealt for two plus years of Marshall and many millions of dollars in salary beyond the serviceable time)

      • Matt WI

        Oh, certainly. They got that right, er, correct.

      • Chris Miller

        Robby, I’m not sure what your love affair of Wood is all about. Outside of his effort against the Reds, he’s horrible. I liked him an awful lot, and wanted him to win that battle against Leake a few years back. I was wrong. He’s just not that good. By the way, I’m not sure what the knock is on Cingrani, but he’s been excellent, and I still think he’d be successful in the rotation. And finally, you are way off your rocker, if you think that any other MLB team’s would have Wood on their team. Not even close.

      • Robby20

        No love affair with Travis Wood. He would get picked up in a heart beat if the Cubs cut him. He is a serviceable major league pitcher. And he is much better than the guy the Reds threw out there last night. If Cingrani is so good why aren’t the Reds using him instead of Gregg or for that matter why is he not in the starting rotation? And I don’t own a rocker. 🙂

      • Big56dog

        By Robby’s logic, Cingrani is bad because they pitch Gregg in more high leverage situations, therefore Wood is much more effective than Cingrani?

      • Matt WI

        Plenty of teams would have Travis Wood on their team. He’s not front of the rotation, but I think it’s more than fair to say he’s serviceable in the back end of even a strong rotation. He’s not about to lose a job. I’m not trying to make more of him than he is and say he will continually repeat his 2013 All-Star year, but let’s not make less of him. To say no other team would have him suggests that the Cubs are some scrub team fielding AAAA players with no expectation of competing. There are worse teams than the Cubs these days, and the Reds might be one of them.

      • Robby20

        I didn’t say Cingrani is bad. Clearly the Reds manager does not believe he is ready for prime time in the 8th inning I’m surmising that if Wood were on t he Reds roster he would either start ahead of Marquis or be used as a reliever ahead of Parra or Cingrani. Maybe I’m wrong but that is my take. Either way Wood is not the abysmal pitcher he is made out to be by some.

  15. redsfan06

    There was a lot of cheering for a Simon trade, pointing out he was a prime candidate for regression and should be traded at his peak. Had those advocating his trade knew in advance that Simon’s replacement would be Marquis, I don’t believe they would have been too excited about the deals. Guess it fits the old adage, “Be careful what you wish for.” This is particularly true with Walt at the helm this past off season.

    • Robby20

      Amen. Marquis has proven he is not a quality major league starting pitcher and for anyone to justify his performance last night by saying he is the fifth starter and that is what you get from a fifth starter seems misplaced at best.

    • jdx19

      I think everyone needs to quit evaluating the Simon trade in a vaccum related to Marquis. Trading high on Simon was and still is the correct call. It’s one of the few things Jocketty has done correctly. Even if Simon has a great year this year, it was the right call.

      Getting any amount of decent return for a journeyman reliever-turned-starter without a long track record is positive.

      Results-based thinking is counter-productive to sound baseball decision making.

      • Robby20

        Trading high? What did they get for Simon?

      • charlottencredsfan

        We don’t know yet. Probably have as a high an opinion of Simon as anyone on this blog but it was the right move. Problem is they stopped trading too soon. If they intended to compete this year and the SS job was Cozart’s job from the get-go, it was not a wise move.

        Simon can pitch and has the numbers to back it up. Maybe not “projected” numbers but actual numbers. The ones that count. All one has to do is watch him pitch with an objective mind.

      • lwblogger2

        They got a pretty good pitching prospect back too.

        @Charlottencredsfan – Cozart has looked better at the plate so far in the young season.

      • jdx19

        They got more than nothing. Which is what Simon would have garnered before his season last year. That’s the concept. As an asset his value was at an all-time high. Best time to sell.

      • charlottencredsfan

        LW – my comment really wasn’t directed at Cozart in that manner. I think he has looked far better in 2015 than I had expected. The point was: the Simon move was/is more about the future than the past. If the Reds were all in on 2015, I don’t think it was a great move. We have too much history with Alfredo, to deny that he is at least a better than average starter. For a 4 or 5 guy, he has to be among the elite and pitched better than anyone outside of Cueto.

  16. WVRedlegs

    The Reds, after rolling over like submissive dogs in Chicago, limp into St. Louis with no Mesoraco. The Reds have played to the tune of something like 3-28 in the last 31 series in StL. Going to be a rough weekend. The pitching matchups should be stellar. Will the bats and offense show up? Not when Cueto pitches.

    • Matt WI

      Has Mesoraco’s time table changed? As of Tuesday night they were saying all indications were that he was joining the team on Friday.

      • WVRedlegs

        I thought I heard last night that he would miss about a week total, so I thought that will take him through the StL series. But that is good to hear, even if he can only come off the bench and pinch hit.

      • Matt WI

        I don’t know… I suppose rejoining the team and playing are two different things. I took it to mean he could see some action.

  17. Robby20

    Absolutely correct. A team doesn’t win when it doesn’t score but having your pitcher give up a monster 2 run home run to the second hitter of the night on a night when it is cold and windy sets a tone that is not positive. Saying Marquis is not as responsible for this loss as the listless offense was seems silly to me. Maruqis was awful.

    • Andrewpky

      Right, it was a TEAM loss. Poor execution in all aspects of the game.

  18. lwblogger2

    On the misplay of the foul ball above, Votto has to make that play. It was blowing back towards Pena but that’s the 1B play all the way. Votto would probably say the same. Of course I am a bit biased as a former C.

    • jdx19

      Pena deeked Votto out. As he got near the ball, he looked at Votto and then dropped his mask. If he wasn’t going to make a play he shouldn’t have dropped his mask.

      Not saying it wasn’t Vottos ball, beause it was, just saying what I saw and why I think Votto didn’t go for it.

      • lwblogger2

        He was definitely moving out to make a play on the ball but Votto needed to call him off, mask dropped or not. Leave it to me to side w/ the catcher though 😉

      • jdx19

        You dirty catchers are all the same! 😉

  19. DHud

    We all knew Marquis was going to be Jekyll and Hyde this season. Last night we got Hyde. If Marquis can give us a few decent starts until the All-Star break or so, I’ll except that risk in exchange for the utility being gained for Iglesias and Lorenzen (innings management, delayed service time, development as a SP in the minors, etc.).

  20. big5ed

    Votto has a bad habit of going after ground balls to his right, when he ought to let Philips field them. It has already happened at least twice this year. (If he hadn’t done it last night, the Reds would have only lost 4-0 instead of 5-0.) I know it is an instinct play, but he needs to change his instinct. He needs to sit down with Keith Hernandez and talk through that issue.

    I actually liked Marquis’s downward movement on his stuff last night, or at least on most of it. He did strike out 6 guys in 4 innings, and at one point I think the Cubs were 5-for-6 on balls in play. But I also pretty much knew when Russo hit his 5th pitch for a homer that he couldn’t win.

    The Reds in general need to quit walking the leadoff hitter. In the opening game of the series, they did it in the 8th, 9th and 10th innings; Chapman did it two nights ago in his inning; Marquis walked the leadoff hitter in the first.

    It was a lousy game for the Reds. It happens; they get a day off; and we gotta move on. Homer is looming.

    • Steve Mancuso

      Votto also tries to field balls with a flourish (maybe his nearby infield partner has rubbed off on him) with that big dramatic swipe. It isn’t necessary and makes his fielding less reliable. I wish he’d just play ground balls the way every one of us was taught in little league. Get in front of them.

      • jdx19

        Yep. Get in front of them and let ’em hit off your chest, if need be. That was my go-to method during my days at 3rd. Had loooots of bruises.

      • lwblogger2

        Was playing 3B and in for a bunt. I was probably 70 feet from home plate. I had a ball pulled down the line so hard that I didn’t have time to move my glove from my ready position to just above my right knee, where a liner struck me. It got on me so quickly and with so much movement, I didn’t move my glove the less than 2 feet needed to catch it. Yeah, I feel ya on those bruises.

  21. Jeremy Conley

    It’s worth noting that Simon is 2-0 for the Tigers, 13.1 IP, 3ER. I would much rather have Simon than Marquis.

    • citizen54

      The only problem is Simon’s salary is $4MM higher than Marquis’s and I highly doubt he is going to be able to maintain those stats.

    • jdx19

      Yep. I think everyone on RLN will agree with you. Simon is better than Marquis.

      Outside of the vaccuum, though, the Simon trade was still a positive trade, even if Simon wins the Cy Young. You can’t anticipate that and selling high on an aging journeyman without much a track record is always, always, always the correct business decision.

      • Jeremy Conley

        Agreed, it was a good trade for sure, but not if you wanted to contend this year. The players we got were good for the Reds future, but to get them we had to accept a downgrade in the rotation.

      • charlottencredsfan

        No doubt but happy they made it.

      • jdx19

        Yeah. that’s a good point. The Reds half-in-half-out 2015 will be a continuing topic all year, I’d bet.

  22. Redgoggles

    Nothing 2 out of 3 in Saint Looey won’t cure.

  23. Tom Reed

    The Reds have a good chance of a series win against the Cards if they don’t need too much middle relief help.