A double by Brandon Phillips broke up a no-hitter by Cubs starting pitcher Jake Arrieta with 1 out in the 8th inning. The Reds may have avoided being no-hit for the first time in the regular season since 1971, but they couldn’t avoid their 81st loss of 2014. The Reds 81st loss ensures the Reds will not have a winning 2014 season. The Reds would have to finish the season 10-0 to finish the year .500.

Final R H E
 Cincinnati Reds (71-81) 0 1 0
 Chicago Cubs (67-84) 7 6 0
W: Arrieta (9-5) L: Cueto (18-9)
FanGraphs Win Probability | Box Score | Game Photos | Game Thread

Reds Cubs

Biggest Play of the Game

According to Fangraphs WPA statistic (winning percentage added), the most important play of the game was Jorge Soler’s double off Johnny Cueto in the 6th inning. Cubs had runners on 2nd and 3rd with 0 outs. That play increased the Cubs chances of winning by 9.1% (from to)

Other important plays (+/- indicates how much each play increased or decreased the Reds chances of winning):

  • +5.8%: 3rd inning – Cueto gets Baez to fly out. Runners on 1st and 2nd, 1 out.
  • +4.7%: 2nd inning – Hamilton walked to leadoff the inning.
  • +4.5%: 3rd inning – Cueto gets Castillo to fly out to end the inning. Cubs strand runners on 1st and 3rd.
  • +4.2%: 1st inning – Cueto strikes out Castillo to end the inning. Cubs strand runners on 1st and 2nd.
  • -7.6%: 2nd inning – Hamilton is caught stealing for the first out of the inning.
  • -6.9%: 3rd inning – Arrieta doubled off Cueto to leadoff the inning.
  • -6.6%: 3rd inning – Cueto walks Valbuena to load the bases. 1 out.
  • -6.4%: 6th inning – Coghlan’s 3-RBI double off Cueto. Cubs lead 6-0. Runner on 2nd, 2 outs.

Player of the Game

Jake Arrieta, Cubs: 9.0 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 13 K, 0.37 WPA


The Reds weren’t no-hit by the Cubs. Congrats, guys.


The Reds offense was nearly no-hit……again. According to the Reds broadcast, it was the first time the Reds have been shutout in back to back games since 1946. Good times.

For a very rare time in 2014, Johnny Cueto wasn’t very good. For only the second time in 2014, Cueto allowed more than four earned runs in game (Cueto allowed 6 ER at Washington on May 20th). Cueto’s ERA went from 2.15 to 2.33 tonight.

Not so random thoughts…………….

Thom Brennaman and Chris Welsh had to make sure they got all of their bunt talk out of their system, as this season is drawing to a close. Tonight, the two went on and on about how Javier Baez (yes, the same Javier Baez who hit 50 HR in 224 games in the minors between 2013-14) needs to learn how to play team baseball, and learn how to lay down a bunt. These two are tough enough to listen to on most nights, but tonight the combo was absolutely unbearable. Our own Steve Mancuso said it best on Twitter tonight “Reds TV broadcast says a lot of stuff that makes their viewers have a worse understanding of baseball. Evaluate pitchers on W-L, evaluate hitters on AVG, RBI and RISP, evaluate defense on errors and fielding percentage. Sigh. They promulgate ignorance.”

Joey Votto was taking batting practice before tonight’s game. It is still unclear if Votto will play one of the Reds final 10 games of 2014.


79 Responses

  1. Steve Mancuso

    I’ll be interested to see how Votto says his quad feels after taking BP.

  2. wildwestlv

    Why is it so important to have Votto take even one AB again this season? Will that be another one of Price’s “moral victories”?

    • ohiojimw

      I don’t know that it “so important”; but if Votto could play the last week (with no significant danger of aggravating the injury), it could provide him with a baseline of how quickly his leg is going to deteriorate which in turn would assist him and the team in having a sense of how many consecutive games he can play before he needs a day off come next year. It would obviously been better had be been ready in time play several cycles so they also would have some idea of how quickly he might regenerate from a particular level of degradation.

      Obviously, I’m in the camp that the injury is in fact a chronic condition he is going to have to manage the rest of his career.

      • redsfan06

        OJIM, you really know how to kick a guy when he is down. I was already concerned about how the Reds are going to fix their problems in the offseason. If Votto’s has a chronic problem with his leg, the team is really hurting.

      • Robby20

        Votto could be 100 percent next year and the Reds would still be hurting without some major additions to the roster that they can’t afford to make.

    • tct

      I think it’s because management thinks this team is a world series contender with a healthy Votto. Getting him on the field and looking healthy would make them feel better and probably give them justification to avoid making the hard decisions that need to be made this off season. That seems delusional to me. They think that because they won 90 last year and 97 in 2012 with the same core players, that those same guys should win in 2015. But things have changed. The team is aging, the division has gotten stronger, and the depth they had, especially in the farm, from 2010-2012 is gone. They have some pitching depth in the minors, but none of those guys were ready to contribute this year and most of them probably won’t be ready next year either. It’s a sorry state of affairs, but it’s not too late. They need to have an honest evaluation of this franchise in the off season
      and hopefully bring in some new, young talent that will be here a while.

      • ohiojimw

        It seems to me they somehow missed out on a whole generation of position players. Frazier, Meso, and Cozart are all finishing their 3rd full season in the bigs.

        Where is the group that should have been coming behind them? Alonso and Grandal begat Latos, Francisco begat Hoover. And to be honest Alonso and Francisco were really more a part of a “super class” along with the 3 mentioned above still with the Reds. Gregorious was moved for Choo; and, Hamilton was rushed to fill the void when Choo couldn’t be retained.

      • pinson343

        Alonso, Grandal and Francisco all stink anyway. The Latos trade was so bad for San Diego that it was a key in getting their GM fired.

      • ohiojimw

        Then in a sense the Reds have (at least) two lost generations of position guys.

      • Robby20

        What depth did the Reds have in 2010 to 2012? They had a few pieces that were overrated enough to garner Latos but other than that the minor league system under Jocketty has taken a big step back.

        You are correct though that there seems to be this sense that everything will be fine if Votto comes back and is healthy. And that is more than delusional. The team missed its opportunity to play for the title by not being more aggressive in trying to upgrade the roster in 2010, 2012 or 2013. Almost every other contender in those years made moves during the season to get better. Other than acquiring Broxton the Reds have stayed on the sidelines and cried poor.

      • tct

        In 2011 the reds brought up these prospects from AAA at some point in the season: Frazier, Mesoraco, Cozart, Alonso, Francisco, Sappelt. That’s 3 reds starters and 2 all stars along with 3 prospects that were used to get pitching.

        Their 2010 team had lots of depth. They didn’t have an ace yet, but they had Cueto, Arroyo, Volquez, Bailey, Wood, Leake, Harang, LeCure was still a starter, Maloney, etc. They also had an above average hitter at every position except shortstop, and even Janish hit pretty well that year. Plus, they had 4 bench players in Heisey, Cairo, Nix, and Hannigan who were above average hitters that year. But that depth had been eroding with nothing to replace it for the last three years, and they went into this year paper thin. Now the reds have almost no position player prospects above a ball besides Winker and Yorman. They have a bunch of starting pitching prospects with middle of the rotation type ceilings, but most of those guys are at least a year away. And their bench at the major league level has been a joke for the last 2 years. They are a team who can’t afford more than one or two injuries if they hope to contend.

      • charlottencredsfan

        Maybe, maybe not the team is “fine: with Votto back but without him they are. The evidence to me is the performance of the other guys when he is on the field. Let’s be honest Joey can absorb the heat that the other can”t, especially Jay Bruce. I would be curious to see Mes, Frazier, Hamilton, and Bruce’s numbers when Votto is in the lineup.

        Like it or not, Joey is the stir.

      • Robby20

        Many of the guys you refer to are still with the team and how well are they doing? Frazier and Mesoraco parlayed career half of seasons into an All Star birth. Most of the pitchers you refer to were in the majors in 2010. When I think of depth I think of having a pipeline of talent in the minors that will make real contributions at the major league level. Most of these guys you mention were in the majors by 2012 and it appears none of the everyday players are destined to be stars. (Maybe Mesoraco)

      • Robby20

        Charlotte you are giving Votto way too much credit. He is the Reds best player and when healthy a very good offensive talent but he will not make this putrid line-up good enough to taste post season baseball in the near future.

      • tct

        I don’t get what you are trying to say Robby. You asked what depth they had from 2010-2012 and I told you. They had 6 legitimate position player prospects in Louisville at the start of 2011, including Meso, Frazier, Alonso, Francisco, Sappelt, and Cozart. That’s depth. Some of those guys are starters now, and the rest have been traded, but in 2011 they were depth. Whether or not they became stars 2 or 3 years down the line is irrelevant to the discussion of depth. The reds were very deep in position players in 2011.

        Same thing for starting pitching in 2010. They had 7 or 8 guys who were legit contenders to be in the rotation, and Volquez and Bailey missing time that year gave guys like Wood and Lecure the opportunity. That’s depth. It doesn’t matter what those guys turned out to be 3 years down the line. For 2010 the reds had good starting pitching depth.

        This year they didn’t have anything close to that kind of depth, and barring some personnel changes they probably won’t have it next year either.

      • Tom Reed

        You state it correctly in regard to the playoff disasters of 2010, 2012 & 2013, and now including the disastrous season of 2014. This is on a front office that was unable to make offensive moves that most fans knew were needed at the time. It’s now up to the major owner to ok a remake of the Reds before April 6th. rolls around.

      • Robby20

        Reds had more depth in 2010, 2011 and 2012 compared to today which is another indictment of Jocketty’s inability to build a farm system.

        I’m saying that many of the position players you allude to have turned out to be average to below average major league players. So I don’t consider the Reds farm system of 2010 to 2012 to have been loaded with depth and talent. Just my take. If it had been loaded one might expect that group to win at least one postseason series.

      • greenmtred

        I don’t disagree that the Reds have problems to solve before they can be considered contenders, but I really can’t see why they would be looking for “…justification to avoid making the hard decisions….” I don’t believe that you are proposing a conspiracy theory, but it reads that way. Why on Earth would WJ and Price and BC not want to improve the team?

      • tct

        Well, they haven’t done anything to improve the team in almost 2 years, so……..
        I think Bob,and maybe Walt too, just seem like they desperately want to believe that the guys they currently have are all they need. They don’t want to have to make a hard decision like trading Cueto or Chapman. The reds had success from 2010-2013 and management seems like they believe if they just let it be and never change anything big that they will keep having success.

        But you tell me: why on earth hasn’t Walt Jocketty done anything about left field since Ludwick went down last April?Why didn’t he try to bring in anybody to play first when Votto went down? It wouldn’t have taken one of their top 5 or 10 prospects to bring in a league average hitter to play first. The pirates have picked up guys like Ike Davis, Gaby Sanchez, Travis Snyder, and Marlon Byrd over the past couple years without giving up any of their top guys. But Walt didn’t try to bring anybody in, not even someone at AAA like Soto or Gotay. He said that Hannahan would be the answer. And he has refused to bring in anyone to start over Ludwick.

        I don’t know exactly why Walt and Bob have done the dumb, irrational things they have done over the last 2 years. I am just speculating on what their thinking is based on their comments and actions.

      • tct

        To put it a better, and shorter, way greenmtred, I think Bob and Walt really want to believe this team is a serious contender as is. And if everything broke their way and a couple guys had career years, maybe they would be. If they are a contender then they don’t have to make any hard decisions, like which of the three pitchers who will be free agents after the year to trade. I just think that standing pat this off season would be disastrous to the reds future as well as the present and that is a lot of risk to keep a team together that needs everything to break right to be a contender.

      • greenmtred

        I certainly agree that WJ (or somebody) needs to be effectively active this off-season. The failure to address left field has been addressed before, and is pure speculation, but the failure may have been due to the absence of available upgrades, or an unacceptably high price for an upgrade. You get nothing for nothing, so getting a really good hitter for left field is going to weaken the Reds someplace else. Doesn’t mean they shouldn’t do it, but they certainly need to be careful that they don’t subtract more than they add. I don’t envy Jocketty.

  3. ohiojimw

    This team is scary bad on the offensive side right now. The only really good thing going on for them is Meso. Also consider that until Votto can go out and prove he can play effectively every day or at least 4 to 5 days a week that he has to count as a question mark too.

    Bruce is young enough and has enough of a track record, it is probably reasonable to risk that he is going to bounce back to a large degree. On the other hand, I think Frazier is a real cause for concern. He basically made his reputation on 6 very good weeks in 2012 and a similar period of time earlier this season. Otherwise he has been ordinary at best over large parts of 3 seasons. And who knows, if they can pick up a solid journeyman to play CF, Hamilton could even start the 2015 season where probably should have started this year, in AAA,

    • Drew

      So the player who will either win or finish second in the ROTY voting should start next season in AAA? WOW…..

      • charlottencredsfan

        He wins it but only by default. Drew, in the 2nd half, he has been a AAA talent – Jim’s right about that part.

      • jdx19

        He’s a perfect #7 hitter in front of Cozart until he figures out the OBP thing. His glove alone is worth a spot on the roster, I think.

      • Robby20

        I doubt he wins the award given his second half swoon.

      • charlottencredsfan

        I’m a buyer. Nice call.

      • Robby20

        One can only hope Hamilton figures it out and can improve on the first half he had. Given the track record of Reds players I am not optimistic that he will cut down on the strike outs or get more disciplined at the plate.

    • charlottencredsfan

      No way Jose (sending BHam to AAA), they don’t have the talent to do it. My analysis is that Billy was becoming a big time player at ASB but hit 6 dingers in the first half. The worst thing that could happen. Second half I see a little guy with a big swing, open stance that pops-up and K’s way too much to be an effective Big Leaguer. If he doesn’t shorten that stroke, he is destined to be a bench player who basically pinch-runs.

      God, he has been hard to watch in the second half. Still think the sky is the limit for him but not as a slugger. Dude, you’re punch & judy, make it work for you. The open stance makes you look silly and with it you can’t hit squat.

      • CP

        Wow, I’m actually more optimistic about Billy than you…

        If Billy never gets better at the plate, his fielding keeps him in the lineup for most teams as a defensive specialist. Some teams who drastically need offense might use him as a 4th OF, but his defense is very valuable. But then again, the second Billy starts losing speed, he’s out of baseball.

        I’m not sure about that hitting analysis. Hamilton’s swing was already kind of long. I think he just regressed to the mean. His numbers in AAA and MLB are eerily similar, which is not a good sign. I think Billy needs to:

        1) get stronger and gain some weight
        2) shorten the swing
        3) take more pitches. Billy shouldn’t be scared of hitting with 2 strikes. #2 should help with this.

      • charlottencredsfan

        He hits ~ .200 he won’t be starting anywhere. Post ASB, he isn’t hitting enough to be in anyone’s everyday lineup. Not pessimistic if he gets his head right and accepts what he can and cannot do. The guy playing at the moment isn’t worth much.

        He looked strong enough from mid-April until the ASB.

        It is all about shortening the swing and being still.

      • lwblogger2

        A short stroke makes you able to wait longer on the ball and also able to make better contact. He should be able to foul off more pitches and be a more difficult out if he can accomplish #2… It’s easier said than done though, especially at such a high level.

      • charlottencredsfan

        Agree but two separate times this year he went ~ 50 PA’s without K’ing. That tells me the kid has hand and eye coordination to be a difference maker, and he was nearly the whole first half. That is a gift not a skill.

        Someone asked Rod Carew what was his secret. He replied that he went to plate looking to hit the ball nowhere but the middle of the field (inherent short stroke) and that allowed him to make adjustments without thinking about it. If he was behind the pitch, a sharp hit ball to right; if he was out front of it? The same to LF. Also, said he knew he wasn’t a power hitter and accepted it so he could be the best hitter he could be. This should be BHam’s ultimate role model as a hitter.

  4. pinson343

    Hamilton’s not starting 2015 at AAA, even if he goes 0 for the rest of the season.

    • Robby20

      Agreed. But he is killing the Reds right now and he really is not that adept at stealing bases. He may end up getting caught 30 times. Combine that with his high strikeout rate and low OBP and you have a guy who should not be leading off.

      As noted earlier in the week this outfield is one of the worst.

      • pinson343

        Yes his success rate is less than average and he has not yet learned the fundamentals of stealing bases. (But I believe he will.)

        The second to worst OF since 1914 was the 1982 one they patched together after they lost or traded their entire OF (Foster, Griffy, Collins) after 1981.
        That was the OF of Cedeno (after he was through), Milner and Householder. Didn’t think I’d see worse that that in my lifetime.

      • Robby20

        Forgot about that one. This one is still worse.

        The Reds had a string of guys come through the system in the 80’s that were highly touted and just never lived up to the high expectations.. Householder, Walker, Redus Daniels, etc.

      • lwblogger2

        @Robby20 – Daniels was a very, very good hitter for his career. One of the worst OF I have ever seen however.

      • lwblogger2

        Injuries totally derailed his career too. But when he was right, he was one of the best hitters I’ve seen.

      • Robby20

        Agreed. Daniels could rake but due to his defense, or lack thereof, and injuries he never lived up to the hype in my view.

  5. pinson343

    Frazier’s not a cause for concern, he’s Frazier. He has good power, plays a good 3rd base, gets some unlikely hits and has no plate discipline. If he’s the 2nd best (active) hitter on your team, that’s a problem.

    • ohiojimw

      Agree, put better than I said it. But with BP likely still around in 2015, the Reds are getting quite a collection of those types to go along with good field no hit types like Cozart and (over the last half of the season) Hamilton.

      • pinson343

        Right. Don’t mind me, Jim, I’m grouchy tonight.

    • Grand Salami

      His plate discipline is better than many on this team. He still has a bad swing rate on pitches outside the zone but he can draw a walk better than everyone else in this lineup not named Votto (or perhaps Roc).

  6. pinson343

    In advance I pitied the poor soul who would get stuck with writing this recap. You’re a gamer, Nick.

    • Robby20

      I agree but the same could be said about most recaps these days.

    • Nick Kirby

      Lol, thanks. I had a “Reds got no-hit” recap ready on standby until Dat Dude ruined it. At least that would have been more interesting.

      • Robby20

        Agreed. We were at the Atlanta game a few weeks ago when Hamilton broke it up and we were actually rooting for Minor and the Braves. None of us had seen a no-hitter in person.

      • lwblogger2

        At that game too and we were also rooting for the no-no.

  7. pinson343

    Since the All Star break, the Reds are 7-23 on the road. Three of the wins came in one series in Miami. Four more road games to go, not optimistic about those.

  8. Robby20

    They quit and as far as the hitting goes I guess Brook Jacoby wasn’t the problem.

    • greenmtred

      Good point about Jacoby, and one we should all remember inasmuch as he was popularly blamed for the team’s undisciplined hitting. Baker was blamed too, of course, for that and many other things, and it is also worth reminding ourselves that the Reds were a winning team under Dusty. Maybe wins and losses really are due to the players?

  9. WVRedlegs

    As for the offense, well its sailing on the USS Shoutout Again again. Re-joining the fleet tonight after a brief absence, the USS Almost No-Hit Again. The additional pre-sailing checklist.
    Another shutout loss. Check.
    Another one hit night. Check.
    No offense to speak of. Check.
    Runner thrown out on the bases. Check.

    Capt. Walt Jocketty set to sail into the abyss. All aboard.
    Doesn’t Jocketty have a striking resemblance to The Skipper from Gilligan’s Island? Its getting that comical.

    • Grand Salami

      Every game is like a three hour tour that ends in a shipwreck . . .

  10. George Mirones

    I missed tonight’s action filled game (tic). From the looks of the posts to the recap some serious evaluating is ongoing. Each of us has at on time hoped , wished, and even prayed that it wasn’t this bad. Well here the Reds are going to finish under .500. The players needed to correct this mess aren’t here and the teams that have what the Reds could use, know it. If and when Walt makes some calls the price will be the Reds starting rotation. No one is taking Phillips or Cozart, Bruce maybe, Ludwick no way. Walt may move a starter for a “bat” but as we have seen the supporting cast is iffy at best. If so and so is healthy, if so and so comes back and on and on. Folks I want the Reds to win, to play solid, smart baseball and have the optics of wining. There will be no ROY awards for Billy this year. His numbers since the all star break are not impressive and he has not shown growth. I pity the poor soul who has to write the line up card in 2015.

  11. vared

    Everyone flushed this season a while ago, but now this group is managing to chip away at enthusiasm for next year. it’s difficult to see these pieces, even fully healthy, coming together and doing anything significant. Someone can counter by reminding me of last year, but the end of last year looked too much like this year. Something is amiss.

    • Robby20

      The hitting woes did not start this year. There have been issues for multiple seasons that have been ignored. (Other than firing Jacoby and that sure made a difference.) Anyway take a team that has issues at the plate and is fundamentally flawed, remove the best player from the line-up, replace Choo’s OBP with Hamiltons, keep an aging Phillips batting third or fourth and this is what you get.

  12. Drew

    Lets see…last year the Brewers were a heaping mess, but they started the season pretty well although have faded a bit. Last year’s World Series champs went from bottom feeders the previous season to WS champs back to bottom feeders this year. What happens in a season doesn’t always mean it will continue the following season.

    • George Mirones

      Only if the front office wants something to happen and makes the moves that improve the team long term and too many “over 30’s” players will limit potential growth as we have seen this year. Trumpy said it best years ago; players are just the parts and pieces of the team (car) so when a part breaks or gets worn out you get a better one.
      If too many parts are not performing you get a new car.
      Loyalty to players is contract related.

    • Robby20

      But the Red Sox have money and have a GM willing to make changes and take chances. The Reds have neither.

  13. cfd3000

    This isn’t really cause for optimism, the Reds offense is still awful right now, but I believe the recap is slightly inaccurate. It hasn’t been 68 years since the Reds were shutout in back to back games, just that long since it happened at the hands of the Cubs. Oh, and I like Hamilton taking more walks lately…

    • CP

      What exactly is the lesson Bob should take from that?

      Looks like the major lesson is to let your good players get healthy…

      • Matt WI

        I was wondering the same thing… I didn’t see an obvious take away? My read was the Angels have some exceptionally talented guys and have been having good luck with the some other ones along the way. Maybe a commentary on organizational depth?

        If anything, it may demonstrate the point the lineup construction is overrated and we’ve been crying about BP hitting 4th when the Angels can run whoever they want out there… because Trout. I’d take a leadoff hitter with a .335 OBP like they have too, given what the Reds have had outside the Year of Choo’s Awesomeness.

      • CP

        Agree…I guess the Angels were a little aggressive in improving their bullpen, but their closing situation (mostly Frieri) was brutal to start the season and they tread water with Joe Smith and others until they traded for Street in July, The Reds never really got to that point this season.

        I guess the Angels owner must have taken notes from the 2013 Reds over the offseason…?

      • wvredlegs

        They made a couple of moves last winter and at this year’s trade deadline. Standing pat and “just let guys heal” wasn’t what they did. They also have bench guys that can step in. More than no bat or so-so bat/good glove players. They made their bullpen from a weakness into a strength, a good one. They had a starting pitcher at AAA last year that was moderately successful that they promoted over the winter. Shoemaker is 16-4 this year so far. The Reds Schumaker hit the wall, literally.
        Standing pat and “let guys heal” will be a recipe for disaster for 2015. Be proactive or reactive. The Reds have been mostly reactive, and where do they find themselves? Struggling to stay out of the NLC cellar.

  14. ToddAlmighty

    Nothing like getting blown up for 5 runs in one inning because you realize your team can’t even get a hit for you, let alone a run. This team has so obviously given up that I don’t think you can keep Price around for next year. How do you get the stink of quitting washed off if you don’t make big changes?

    Losing is one thing, but quitting? That’s poisonous to a team.

      • ToddAlmighty

        They just lost a series to the Cubs.. in which they got shut out in back-to-back games and had a no hitter going against them in the second one until the 8th inning. Getting shut out two games in a row by the CUBS? Yeah, that’s quitting.

        What else can you possibly call it?

      • I-71_Exile

        You’ve seen this team play right? Their offense is TERRIBLE. The team does’t have enough hitters and the few that they do have can be easily pitched around. It’s not for lack of trying. It’s due to lack of ability up and down the line-up. They have how many auto-outs? Did the pitchers quit on Monday night? How about the defense? You seem to think that effort equals results at the plate which is decidedly not true. In fact, too much effort usually leads to poorer results. Baseball is not football. Do you really think that a hitter can just “will” a hit based on how hard he tries? If that were the case, I could do it.

        The Cubs have a decent staff and didn’t hand the Reds runs with their stupid play. They didn’t make a single error over three games. How likely is that?

  15. wvredlegs

    If you haven’t seen tonight’s line up, well, in my best Dick Enberg voice, “Oh my !!”
    It either gets shut out again or puts up 6 runs, not much of an in-between on this.

  16. JM

    Signing Votto to a 225 M contract was the worst thing this franchise could have done. Operate differently or fade into a non contender quickly. Trade stars before they get expensive. That is how you win consistently. Rays, A’s and Cards. I like Joey as a player and a person, but it was a horrible business decision. We can’t afford anything.

    • Steve Mancuso

      When Votto makes $20 million a year, the Reds will be spending more than $150 million/year on payroll.