Final R H E
Cincinnati Reds (61-66) 3 9 1
St. Louis Cardinals (69-57) 7 10 2
W: Lynn (14-8) L: Cueto (15-7)
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Positives

–For the first time in five games, the Cincinnati bullpen did not surrender a lead.

–Ramon Santiago reached base three times. Logan Ondrusek and JJ Hoover pitched scoreless innings of relief. No, really…all those things happened tonight in an actual Major League Baseball game.

–The Reds scored all three of their runs in the ninth, which I suppose we can take to mean that they didn’t quit. Hurrah for professional baseball players!

Negatives

–The Reds stink.

–Johnny Cueto had one of his rare sub-par outings tonight, allowing five runs on seven hits and four walks in five innings. He can’t be great every time, I suppose. We shall forgive Cueto.

–Carlos Contreras allowed two runs on two hits and two walks in two-thirds of an inning. At some point, you have to concede that this guy might not be a capable big league reliever. Then again, JJ Hoover and Logan Ondrusek are still drawing big league salaries, so what do I know?

Not so random thoughts….

–Your Cincinnati Reds have lost five in a row, 8 of their last 9, ten of their last twelve. Ugh.

–Jay Bruce hit second, which is an interesting novelty. He also had two hits and a walk, which is good.

–Heck, after facing a 7-0 deficit entering the ninth inning, the Reds actually brought the tying run to the plate. They still lost, but that seems like something.

–The Reds just lost three of four to the worst team in baseball, then got swept by St. Louis. I remember a bunch of disastrous west coast swings over the years, but this dumpster fire of a road trip has been as bad as anything I remember in the last decade…

–…and yet, I’ll be heading over to the stadium this weekend to watch these jokers play the Braves. Go Reds?

Despite the smile, Milton was unhappy with Cincinnati's performance tonight.

Milton was unhappy with Cincinnati’s performance tonight.

57 Responses

  1. BigRedSaguaro

    So, the Cincinnati Reds are some sort of baseball team ?

    • shannon bubnick

      reds must make some big changes in the off season first get a short stop who can hit second a power hitting right handed bat in the out field

      • hoosierdad

        When I first read “…get a short stop who can hit second…” I thought of Dusty Baker’s short stop MUST hit second, rule. Lol

      • Drew

        How many “good” hitting SS are there in the league right now and how do you believe the Reds should go about obtaining one?

      • greenmtred

        Exactly. Cozart is, evidently, not just the best defensive shortstop, but the best defensive infielder in all of mlb. The Reds are a team built on pitching, and pitching requires defense to be effective. Get (somewhere) a left fielder with some pop, assume (with crossed fingers) a resurgent Joey and a rebound year from Jay, and Cozart’s poor hitting and preeminent defense can be profitably accommodated.

      • jdx19

        Agreed. Cozart is a perfectly fine MLBer batting 8th. Positive WAR is positive WAR.

      • redmountainH

        And both of those things can be done with a snap of a finger.

    • zaglamir

      Yeah… from what I hear, they’re being given great odds in Williamsport this year. Something about Todd Frazier being on the team…

  2. BigRedSaguaro

    Bravo on the use of the phrase “dumpster fire”. Perfect analogy.

    • greenmtred

      an analogy that cleverly refers to Ryan Dumpster, former disappointing Reds pitcher?

  3. ohiojimw

    The 9th inning was to give the manager fodder for his nightly statement that he is proud to have a team that plays hard and never quits.

    • ohiojimw

      I actually liked it better when he stood up and said everybody including the coaches and himself shared in the responsibility and everybody needed to work harder and do better.

      • pinson343

        But he was saying that every day, had to change it up I guess.

  4. desertred

    Chad, bravo to you for even paying attention to this sorry outfit. I don’t even bother to get updates on the games any more. I just come here to read the summary and have a good laugh before bedtime.

  5. pinson343

    I watched until the 7th inning stretch, pure misery. I missed the action in the 9th, where the Reds managed to get Frazier to the plate as the tying run. Now if it’s the Reds opponent that was down 7-0 going into the 9th and made it 7-3 with the bases loaded, they hit the grand slam off Hoover and go on to win.

  6. Reaganspad

    Who is this guy Milton? Was he a recent call up? I do not remember seeing his mug just before the all star break…

    • pinson343

      Milton’s a veteran leader and an RLN fixture.

      • Hammer

        I think he’s an ex-cardinal past his prime…

  7. pinson343

    Cueto was not right tonight. He was working and moving slowly. He seemed exhausted, was breathing hard and sweating bullets. Maybe still feeling the effects of his amazing effort in the thin air of Coors.

  8. pinson343

    When I first saw a 7 game road trip with the Rockies and the Cardinals on the schedule, I had a real bad feeling. Given the way the Reds play at Coors and Busch, this was a lot more scary than a West Coast road trip.

    As far as any playoff hopes whatever go, it ended the season.

  9. Jeff Morris

    Wonder if the Reds play bad at home against the Braves, if they will get booed by the Home Crowd?

  10. Jake

    Just wasn’t Cueto’s night. He’s only had one other game this year where’s he’s given more than 5 runs

  11. Dale Pearl

    And all we need is a left fielder? Our pitching went from strength to weakness over night… maybe the arms gave up with no bats hitting for them?

  12. User1022

    Here’s something interesting…

    The Reds still have a positive run differential on the season. Usually, that (The Pythagorean Record) is a somewhat reliable indicator of where the team SHOULD be in the standings.

    Accordng to the Reds Pythagorean Expectation, they should have 65 wins instead of the 61 they do have. Basically, the Reds should be exactly tied with Pittsburgh.

    You know a team who seems to always out play their Pythagorean Expectation? The very same St. Louis Cardinals who showed the Reds how to win tonight. And that, I think, is the main difference.

    Consider: The Reds have 18-31 record in 1 run games, by far the worst in baseball. Just think what one more timely hit, one more double play ball, one more strikeout could have done here and there….. How much of this is bad luck, and how much of this is a rookie manager being out-managed? I have always been of the opinion that managers really earn their keep in close games, because that’s when their every decision has the potential to have a direct impact on the outcome, as opposed to most “normal” nights when they “just let the guy play”.

    Of course, injury, I know. But still…. Injury or no, you’d think the Reds would find SOME way to win more of those close games, wouldn’t you? On a whole, they have actually outscored their competition, yet they have a losing record. Something besides the old “injury” crutch has to be going on there.

    How do the Cardinals always find ways to win despite being outscored on the year while the Reds find ways to lose despite outscoring their competion?

    • Aaron Bradley

      A crazy number of outs were on the basepaths and a combination of inept base coaching and braindead players. My only gripe on Price is he bunts far too much giving up outs when an opposing pitcher could be about to implode… we see it with our own guys frequently.. you don’t see other teams giving us free outs when Hoover is shooting himself in the foot on his own.

    • redsfan06

      A good number of those 1 run losses have come when the bullpen blew up. It happened a bunch early in the season and has shown up again on this road trip. When it’s the opposing team’s last at bat, they only need 1 more run then the Reds to win. Who knows what the final score would be if Hoover, et al., had to finish the inning out.

    • VaRedsFan

      Even with lowly hitting, they managed to win a lot of games. The formula to that success? LeCure, Parra, Ondrusek, and Hoover hardly ever pitched in any of those games. Fix the bullpen, and we at least win half of those 1 run games, probably more

    • Vicferrari

      What does 1 run losses imply, poor managing? bad team? I do not know, I tend to think that a good manager gets his team close and the players need to execute, seen a lot of comments about some unmentioned poor decision by Price on this road trip, but everyone in that bullpen failed.
      Not too many comments before a move about the brilliant move that is not made outside of get him out now or something along those line.
      Funny when the bullpen had a good stretch in late spring/early summer Price got the team right there even with the sporadic injuries- pretty amazing for an idiot

  13. Aaron Bradley

    OK who else is PO’d about the fact they didn’t sell Simon when his stock was high? n fact all of these guys’ look to plummet… for all we know Cueto is going to go downhill and pull up lame too… it would be the perfect final nail in a miserable torturous season for anyone with the slightest bit of investment in this team. They should have sold and worked on the farm system which is being exposed… really to me that is the number one storyline of the season: the sorry state of the Farm System. And they had a legitimate means to stock it up and they played some kind of bad poker hand into a losing proposition. Try selling Simon after the season, I am sure the offers will come flooding in!

    • Dale Pearl

      I wanted that trade ad well. Maybe the other teams just werent that gullible and see Simon as having u unusual numbers?

      • Shchi Cossack

        Fay has reported that he was “told owner Bob Castellini would not sign off on a sale” of a starting pitcher at the trade deadline.

      • George Mirones

        I just finished reading that same article and my take was two fold;
        1. Walt discussed the parameters of potential trades with the owner and was given “No fire sale approach” and “No salary dumps (DFA’s)”? Let it play out as it is, or
        2. A specific trade was brought to the owners attention about specific pitchers and the owner said “No”.

        Could it be that Walt’s lack of activity is not any of his doing?
        If it also be true, as Fay writes ,”that if anyone was available to bring up they would be here by now”, which would indicate that any help (LF, bullpen) is going to come from outside sources through off season trades which has been the Reds approach recently.

      • Tom Reed

        I believe it. That’s why what will or will not happen in the off-season will depend on the owner. He’s the producer of the show.

    • Matt WI

      It might have been the worst thing for the long term that the Reds hit that hot streak right into the all-star break. Whatever plans for such a foresighted trade were probably torpedoed by being too close at the moment to risk a move of the one thing this team is good at (starting pitching).

      All else being equal, most of Redleg Nation was able to see that Alfredo was set up for a fall… Why couldn’t Bob and Walt?

      • greenmtred

        Wouldn’t you suppose that Bob and Walt could see it, too? And wouldn’t you suppose that every gm in baseball could as well? I think you nailed it with the observation about the hot streak: Probably nobody would give the Reds much value for Simon, and since they were in contention and needed the starter, they had little choice but to roll the dice.

      • MrRed

        Look, if we’re really being realistic, nobody would want to bet on a 33 year old Simon continuing his great run for the rest of the season. So why does anybody even entertain the idea that the Reds would get decent minor league prospects in a trade for him. Cheap as he may be, his best value is as a long reliever. Not gonna get much for that.

        Same with the Broxton trade ideas. Too much money in that contract to get a good return. He’s having a great year but nobody is giving much for him on the bet that he can sustain and that he might not get hurt as has been his history.

        Chapman would get more interest. But I think most clubs would see his value at this point as a reliable closer, not a starter. There again, you are not going to get an above replacement level everyday starter straight up for Chapman as I have read some folks suggesting. Maybe some prospects but I doubt that a good hitting prospect would be given up for Chappy.

        Now, if the Reds were willing to part with a starter that is under a relatively cheap contract (Latos or more likely, Leake) then yes, I could see the team getting a LF bat that could help. But from reading the latest reports from Fay, ownership does not appear interested in giving up starting pitching at this point.

      • Matt WI

        I didn’t write that as clearly as I wanted… what I meant was that I assume Walt knew Simon would likely decline, so it would have been worth moving him no matter where the Reds were.

        As to thoughts by Mr.Red below… there were still plenty, and I mean plenty, of people who were happy to stand up for Alfredo Simon on this blog and talk about how there is so much reason to hope he is just a better pitcher than anyone was giving him credit for. It’s not an issue of being “smarter” than the GM… and I agree most teams would have the same read (that Simon was going to regress). Ideally Walt would have tried hard to press a team with a need to roll the dice that Alfredo could keep it going a bit longer. And maybe he did try, who knows.

        I wouldn’t have expected a treasure haul, but it wouldn’t have been a junkyard return either. Pin a team down in the hunt with an All-Star pitcher in hand, you’re not going to get Gary Mejewski back. And that’s a good thing.

    • redmountainH

      What is the “sorry state” of the farm system. The Reds are loaded up on pitching and have position players who are also real prospects. The reason there are not the pieces needed this year is two-fold: Prospects who have been traded away and a rash of injuries that has had back ups playing regularly. Subtracting Simon, who was a good reliever and would still be there without injuries, seems kind of counterproductive unless you get some good young players who are ready to play. You may have noticed most teams do not want to trade those guys.I feel confident that the Reds have been resisting doing that.
      Look at who was on the roster at the beginning of the season and tell me if they had been healthy things would not be much different.

  14. chezpayton

    YAY MILTON! EVEN THOUGH THE REDS ARE SUCKING HE BRINGS JOY TO ME EVERY TIME I GLANCE UPON HIS FACE

  15. Sparky

    Well after enduring these games on this road-trip, despite all the numbers, what I’ve noticed is the Reds are simply playing NOT to lose. Bad way to go about a day to day Major league schedule.

  16. Drew

    Something htat has me wondering…On Sept 6 I am going over to see the Reds vs. Mets game in cincy. Given where both teams are and it’s a september game I thought for sure I could pick up some good seats on stubhub for a good price. WRONG. OMG the prices are outragous for this game. I infact got cheaper seats directly from the Reds for this game. So what is happening at the Sept 6 game on a saturday vs. the Reds that would cause such high demand for tickets that would cause Stub Hub prices to be so high?

    • Matt WI

      Could be you’re just a little early for a market correction by those selling on stub hub… people will probably try to make what they can until they realize they aren’t going to get it until much closer to the game. Then again… if there’s a bobblehead…

      • Drew

        Well kinda a bobblehead. On that weekend the HOF will debut the Pete Rose bobblehead. But you don’t have to go to the game to pay to get into the HOF to get one. As for the giveaway by the team it’s Beer Stein night, first 20,000 get a beer stien.

    • WVRedlegs

      Logan Ondrusek bobblehead night.

  17. Michael J Hampton

    The Red’s season reminds me of a person who has a serious, possibly terminal illness. Early on, they battle and hang in there, they surprise you with their resilency, but eventually, it becomes too much for them and they are overwhelmed and succumb to the illness. Injury after injury with no relief from the front office (for whatever reason) has just become too much to overcome.

    I still like this team, I like the core of players and do not want to see them broken up. I think that if they can return most of this team intact and healthy next year, with just one or two additions they could be a WS contender, provided they do not again suffer the traumatic string of injuries they had this year. That was just too much for a small market team to overcome.

    The maturing of Frazier and Mesoraco has been a pleasure to watch this year and despite their falling off some recently, bodes well for next year. Hamilton, to me has been better than expected, but has plenty of room for improvement and if he works on his weaknesses, watch out. Votto is the keystone player, and a healthy Votto is essential to the Red’s success. I think Bruce will bounce back, I believe the knee injury combined with the pressure of trying to pick up the slack caused by the injuries caused Bruce to have his subpar season. He needs to reboot and come back next season with a new sense of purpose. BP’s age will start to catch up with him, but he is still excellent in the field and capable of providing some big hits.

    The starting pitching has for the most part been excellent, but has suffered its share of injuries. Simon was a pleasant surprise early and I still think he can be a viable 5th starter or even go back to the bullpen and provide the middle relief that has been missing. Of course the backend of the bullpen is as good as it gets and as much as I would like to see Chapman in the rotation I don’t see that happening.

    • daytonnati

      I totally agree with this. When healthy, the Reds start five guys who have been recent All-Stars: Votto, Phillips, Bruce, Frazier, Mesoraco. Along with those five, they have the premier defensive infielder in the game, the probable NL Rookie of the Year in Center, and a core four of stud starters: Cueto, Latos, Bailey, and Leake. People calling for this team to be blown up are nuts. Granted, they are probably going to be able to afford only two of the three remaining soon-to-be-free agent starters, but if they are smart they will use the starter they choose not to pursue to obtain a LFer – perhaps bundling him with Chapman and one of the bright outfield prospects – Winker or Ervin. I think we’re close. We’ve lost 31 one-run games. Had we won 1/3 of those, we’d be 71-56. The bullpen is the issue. And I think it is the most easily fixed.

  18. WVRedlegs

    Fay’s Mesoraco article is encouraging, at least for 2015 and beyond.
    About getting his bat in the lineup more and playing a different position:
    “Mesoraco is willing.
    “If that’s something I was asked to do, I’d absolutely do it,” he said. “There’s a few positions that I could play, probably first base, maybe left field, that would take more work. But I don’t see any harm in doing it. Spring training as long as it is, there’s plenty of time for it. I’d be more than willing.”

    • lost11found

      He may not be able to make the transition to LF, but I love the fact that he is willing to try it out. I do like the idea of letting him spell JV from time to time at 1B, depending if there are long term issues with his legs.

    • George Mirones

      “Spring training as long as it is, there’s plenty of time for it”. Good logic on Devin’s part but my take is that if a key player is already thinking about “spring training” I wonder who else has that same mindset?

      • Matt WI

        Don’t you just take that as “now is not the time to mess with things like that?” It would be worse if he said “Well, come the Sept. call-ups, maybe we can start trying that out.”

      • George Mirones

        You are probably correct after I reread the article, just took it out of context from the posting.