It is Hall of Fame weekend in Cincinnati. The Reds will be inducting more of the franchise’s top players into its Hall of Fame tomorrow before the game. Perhaps a good conversation starter for today’s game thread would be discussing which current Reds player(s) will likely be back in a decade or so to join this year’s inductees.

While the ceremony and induction are huge, the games this weekend are more important to the current club. The Reds are still 4 back in the division and 3 back of the Wild Card spot for the post-season while riding their current 3 game winning streak. The Reds took 3 of 4 from the Marlins earlier this month and would love to take 3 games from them again this weekend. Before the Reds can eye sweeping the Fish, they have to take care of game 1 tonight first.

Discuss the game!

1. Hamilton CF
2. Bruce RF
3. Frazier 3B
4. Mesoraco C
5. Pena 1B
6. Schumaker LF
7. Negron 2B
8. Cozart SS
9. Leake P

122 Responses

  1. Peter Reddington

    I’d like to see anyone but Bruce in the 2-hole. Yes, even Cozart. If Negron keeps a hot bat, I think you could give him a shot there.

  2. reaganspad

    I am fine with Bruce in the 2 hole. Love to see him go the other way.

    Get him on a roll and then move him back down.

    I would never put Mesoraco in the 2 hole, nor would I put Billy Hamilton in the 2 hole

  3. Sparky

    Not sure there is a “good spot” in the lineup for a sub-.200 guy. I would like to see Bruce down there in Cozzy land, 7th or 8th,.

  4. zippy

    Yesterday, with no strikes, Bruce fouled off a pitch when Hamilton had second base stolen easily. If he isn’t confident enough to take even one strike in that situation, he shouldn’t be hitting second. The sole reason for hitting Hamilton at the top is his ability to steal bases. If #2 won’t let him do that, then we might as well have a slower guy with a higher OBP (which is almost everyone in the starting lineup) leading off. I’d like to believe Price has tried to communicate this to Bruce after last night, but I’m a bit of a dreamer sometimes.

    • Thegaffer

      I disagree, the reason Bruce is there is to get fastballs with Billy on base. The fact he fouled it off is the problem, not the swinging at it. Billy needs to not get picked off.

      • zippy

        If you’re better off with a 0-0 count and a runner on first than you are with a 0-1 count and a runner on second, then you’re the wrong guy to be hitting #2.

      • zippy

        Also, if you’re only able to hit fastballs, you’re not the right guy to be hitting second.

  5. doublenohitter

    I’d like to see Gritty anywhere but in the lineup. Ludwick has been hitting the ball well and is actually better defensively than Schumaker.
    At least Hannahan has been pushed to the very rear of the bench.

    • zippy

      We don’t need a DH right now, so obviously it’s a lot harder to find a spot for Hannahan’s lack of power and .000 average. Reds ought to trade him to an AL team where his talents could be better utilized.

    • Michael J Hampton

      No, Lutz is at the very rear of the bench, which is a shame because the young guy should be playing somewhere, even at AAA. Price prefers grit and jack to giving the young guy any playing time.

  6. VaRedsFan

    we can stop the BH walk meter now?

    • Thegaffer

      He has 43 steals, 18 pickoffs/caught stealing. That is 70 percent. Larkin had 85 percent career rate.

  7. VaRedsFan

    out of the basepath? no way was he more than 3 feet

  8. zippy

    I’ll go out on a limb here and predict this game will have at least 90% fewer loopers than last night’s.

  9. VaRedsFan

    That Tundra will be an antique before anyone hits the sign

  10. hof13

    Would be a nice time for a DP. Maybe a looping liner that gets picked off.

    • zippy

      I’d settle for a looping grounder to short.

  11. zippy

    I really just don’t understand how a person can get picked off as many times as Hamilton has. Once it’s happened for the zillionth time, don’t you say to yourself “If there’s one thing that will NOT happen to me tonight…”

  12. Kevin J. Brown

    Good job by Leake to work out of trouble.

  13. VaRedsFan

    Birds over the Birds 4-0 …Orioles lead

  14. hof13

    I really like Negron’s approach at the plate. Not sure where this is coming from but I hope it lasts.

  15. VaRedsFan

    Dave Parker interview…what a hitter

  16. VaRedsFan

    Ron Oester was a solid player, but I’m not sure he’s Reds HOF worthy. Congrats to him nonethless

  17. preacherj

    Pena is riding a 12 game hitting streak. Anyone suprised? Just hope he’s ok.

    • Kevin J. Brown

      What a blow it would be if he had to spend time on the DL. Our best hitter over the last month.

      Reds aren’t doing much with Eovaldi again.

  18. hof13

    I swear by Pitch FX, this ump does not do Leake any favors. He isn’t calling strikes on the corners, even with half the ball is in the strike zone.

  19. ToddAlmighty

    Man, Hamilton is killing me with all these caught stealing. So many pickoffs too. 70% SB rate won’t do it when you’re incapable of walking.

    • drew

      OMG…its his first season. about we just relax and allow the kid to grow and learn.

      • ToddAlmighty

        He’s not growing and learning though. He’s getting worse as the season goes on. Last 30 days he’s at 6 stolen bases/5 caught stealing. That’s really bad.

        They (the coaches) either need to fix whatever’s wrong or shut down/limit his base stealing. Maybe he just needs a break because he’s getting tired from a full MLB season. Either way, can’t keep giving away free outs when his OBP is already below .300

  20. Kevin J. Brown

    Man, this guy is tough on us but pretty bad against the rest of the league.

  21. ToddAlmighty

    Why was Leake left in the game? Loads the bases with a double, walk, and HBP, was in the 90s in pitch count, tied game. Highly rested bullpen.

    Leake should have been pulled before that sac fly happened.

    • Kevin J. Brown

      I trust Leake in that situation a lot more than LeCure or the rest of the back of the bullpen.

    • ToddAlmighty

      That said, nothing wrong at all with 6 IP/1 ER.

  22. Kevin J. Brown

    Wonder if they’ll PH for Leake down 1-0. Think I would; he’s already at 103 pitches.

    • VaRedsFan

      Mes should have moved up in front of the plate, the ball hit the runner, so all he had to do was catch it, and McGee is out.

      • ToddAlmighty

        Probably worried about blocking. Who knows what is and isn’t against the rules these days.

      • Kevin J. Brown

        Throw was up the line; no chance to get the runner.

  23. sergeant2

    I noticed there are a lot of fans wearing jackets tonight, is it on the cool side in the Queen City tonight.

  24. Kevin J. Brown

    Very frustrating game. Good performance by Leake but the offense hasn’t been able to get anything going against a pitcher with a very mediocre record.

  25. Jeff Morris

    Reds not hitting again. I hope Walt is paying attention. It was 1 run for Marlins, now 2 runs. See how important a Big Bat can change the course of a game. Now Reds have 2 runs to get to tie the score. Wonder how good Stanton’s defense is overall?

  26. sergeant2

    Reds gotta do some business right quick. Shirley they can manufacture a couple of runs to tie this baby up. Tie it up and its a new ballgame. Go Reds!

  27. ToddAlmighty

    Oh man, Jack is getting close. He almost came close to not swinging and missing three times in one AB…. or not.

  28. Jeff Morris

    Any reason Ludwick or Pena can’t PH. Of all people to bring up to the plate, you have the Jack H??

    • Kevin J. Brown

      Pena started and left the game with an injury. I guess they are still hoping Hannahan can get something going.

  29. ToddAlmighty

    8 shutout innings from Nathan “Cy Young” Eovaldi who came into this game with a 4.22 ERA.

    I liked this whole baseball thing a lot more a few days ago when the Reds were scoring runs.

  30. Jeff Morris

    Any bets that Hoover gives up a Run or Runs here in the 9th?

  31. Kevin J. Brown

    Hoover has looked good, but him against Stanton makes me very nervous.

  32. Kevin J. Brown

    Very impressive; maybe JJ has turned a corner.

    Cishek is hittable and we have Frazier and Meso to start the 9th. Still have a shot.

  33. sergeant2

    How bout Hoover, he’s looking good tonight. Gotta give credit when credit is due. Its do or time now. When the going gets tough, the tough get going. Go Reds!

  34. Beroader

    Double, Double. Marlins in trouble!

    Sorry, that was corny.

    • tct

      Mind boggling! You’ve only got 3 outs left and you give away one for free when you’re behind? The things this organization could do if management would join the 21st century.

  35. sergeant2

    You gotta go on contact. And once more the Reds base running ineptness has been costly. Should be a tie game.

    • Kevin J. Brown

      I assume that’s a joke; the Marlin SS made a great play.

  36. Kevin J. Brown

    Tough loss. Marlin defense came up big with the two Stanton grabs and the great play in the 9th by their SS.

    Let’s get them the last two! Go Reds!

      • Kevin J. Brown

        This Skip hate is tiresome. Unlike most in the lineup, he got a hit tonight and is now 5 for his last 15. Hechvarria robbed him on the play in the 9th; sometimes you tip your cap to the other team.

      • Michael J Hampton

        Schumaker, 62 games, 200+ PA, .238/.287/.311. He is what he is, a fill in bench player, weak hitter no power, average base runner, less than average defensively. But Price continues to use him like he’s an all-star. The hate isn’t for him, it’s for the way he’s being used. There are other options, he should only be an emergency starter in LF and occasional starter in the infield.

  37. sergeant2

    I agree with Marty, Cozart couldn’t have hit that pitch with an ironing board. Shoulda been a tie game anyway when Cozart came up to bat.

    • zippy

      I suspect opposing teams may have started figuring out that Reds hitters aren’t interested in taking those pitches.

    • tct

      Skip is terrible but even if he wasn’t the bunt is stupid because you’re behind. You’ve only got 3 outs left, and you give one away.

  38. zippy

    At least Price still has his best pinch-hitter available for the 10th.

  39. Jeff Morris

    Don’t know why Price didn’t pitch hit Cozart with Pena, or maybe Ludwick. But, Pena is the best choice. You know…or Should know Cozart is Not Going to Get the Job Done! Another 1 run loss by the Reds!

    • zippy

      Pena left the game with an injury. But how do you allow Hannahan into this game and not Ludwick or Heisey? And you let Cozart end it with those two guys available? Anyone remember the last time Cozart had a game tying or game winning hit late in a game? If so, you have an amazing memory.

  40. Michael J Hampton

    I do not understand Price. You have to hit for Cozart, there. That’s not a jab at Cozart, it’s a jab at Price. Heck, I would have hit for Schumaker while there was still less than 2 outs. He had Ludwick, Heisey, and even Lutz available, all bonafide power guys certainly capable of hitting a fly ball. I don’t understand the thought process.

    • Kevin J. Brown

      All those guys K a lot. Skip was a good choice and hit the ball well; he just got robbed. Cozart was 2 for 3 against Cishek and has been hitting better than Heisey or Lutz lately. Ludwick doesn’t have very good numbers as a PH.

      • zippy

        Maybe, but Cozart is still Cozart. He’s absolutely TERRIBLE in clutch situations. Career .190 hitter with RISP/2 outs. This year he’s at .211 in those situations, and I honestly don’t remember one instance (in his entire career) in which he’s had a game winning or game tying hit in the 9th inning. He’s absolutely the worst non-pitcher on the team to have at that plate in that sort of situation, while you’ve got a great pinch-hitter twiddling his thumbs on the bench.

      • Kevin J. Brown

        If by “great pinch hitter” you mean Chris Heisey, he’s 3 for 21 or .143 with RISP and 2 men out this year.

      • zippy

        Heisey’s bad numbers come from his starts. He’s hitting .310 as a pinch hitter, which I would say makes him a “great pinch hitter” this season, and he’s been a good pinch hitter his entire career, which I would say supports that argument. Cozart has been a bad hitter since about his 40th game in the majors, and a terrible hitter in clutch situations throughout his entire career.

      • Michael J Hampton

        I would have hit Ludwick for him, but if you want to look at small sample sizes, since Lutz’s second call-up he is 3 for 7 as a pinch hitter. He is 3 for 10 with 2 doubles and a walk in his last 11 PA. His slash line since his second call up is .238/273/.381, not very impressive, but Schumaker’s line for the season is .238/.287/.311, even less impressive. I don’t have anything against Schumaker, I think he is fine for the role he was signed for but he shouldn’t be given all of these starts and Price shouldn’t be reluctant to hit for him.

  41. RedAlert

    The Bryan price school of head scratching management in full effect tonight – this loss is on him !!!

    • Kevin J. Brown

      All of Price’s decisions, except perhaps PHing Hannahan, were justified based on the numbers. Sometimes you press the right buttons and it still doesn’t work. IF Hechevarria doesn’t make a great play on Skip’s ground ball up the middle, the Reds have it tied with men on 1B and 3B. That’s baseball. Expecting the team to go 162-0 is a bit unreasonable.

      • zippy

        Chis Heisey is hitting .310 as a pinch hitter. Ludwick is hitting .343 with RISP/2 outs. Cozart is a .190 career hitter with RISP/2 outs, and I can’t remember a time when he’s had a game-winning hit. The numbers don’t support it and common sense doesn’t support it.

      • Kevin J. Brown

        You did a lot of cherry picking. Heisey is terrible with RISP and 2 out and Ludwick is bad as a PH. Cozart’s been hotter than both of them.

        A decision to PH for Cozart would have been defensible; a decision not to have was also defensible. Acting like Price is an idiot for the decision he made is ridiculous. And not a single person posted BEFORE the at bat.

      • zippy

        I was busy beforehand. You’ll notice I hadn’t posted anything at all for several innings. If it makes you feel better, I promise you, hand to God, on my mother’s grave, wiling to bet everything I own, that if I were managing this game it would not have ended with Cozart at the plate, nor would Hannahan have been involved in any way until I’d exhausted every other option. I don’t really care if you believe me or not, but there’s nothing you can say that makes it defensible to let a bad hitter end the game when you’ve got better hitters on the bench. Cozart was “hot” YESTERDAY. Today he had been 0-3, which is more in line with his usual numbers, which suggests he’s back to being his usual self. He’s never been the sort of player that gets game-winning hits even when he’s been “hot.” He just doesn’t handle those situations well at all, and I could have told you that an hour before he struck out.

      • zippy

        And PERHAPS pinch hitting a guy with no power and no hits this season, who was a bad hitter all of last season even when he was healthy, wasn’t justified by the numbers? Perhaps?! What numbers could possibly even make this a question mark? Hannahan is putting up big numbers in batting practice?

      • Kevin J. Brown

        I realize that the party line is now Hannahan can’t ever get a hit because he has started slowly (after missing 4 months of the season) but batting him there was reasonable. He had worked a walk in his last start and almost got one there.

      • zippy

        It’s reasonable if you don’t have better hitters to choose from. But Price did, so it isn’t reasonable. “He worked a walk in his last start” because the pitcher didn’t throw strikes. Is that really because he was scared of Hannahan’s mighty bat, or maybe just because he had terrible control? I think probably the latter, and I think it’s pretty silly to assume Hannahan has some sort of magic ability to make it happen again. If the guy could walk at will, he’d probably be a starter.

      • RedAlert

        Who on this site says anything about them going 162-0 Kevin ?-seems to me that you are the one insinuating that all of Price’s decisions in this game were justified with the exception of Habahan AB – you 100 % sure of that ? You also seem stuck on the point that skip was the right choice – maybe he was and the SS dd make a nice play – however , it’s not like he hit a rocket and maybe it’s a moot point IF HE HITS IT BEYOND THE INFIELD – you can say all you want , after a while some of these numerous one run loses are a direct result of bad managerial strategy

  42. sergeant2

    This loss would have been less painful if the Reds would have went down quietly at 2-0. Why Mesoraco didn’t go on contact is beyond me, it was the bottom of the 9th there was no more sand left in the hourglass. Oh well, ya gotta like the way the team kept battling to the end. Hopefully the Reds felt they were so close to winning the game they could taste it, and will come out tomorrow more determined than ever to win. We’ll get em tomorrow, no doubt about it. Go Reds! Adios Amigos.

    • Kevin J. Brown

      We’ve had so many guys thrown out at home that it seems that they decided to play that conservative with 1 out. The ball was hit up the middle and if the pitcher fields it, Meso is a dead duck. However, I think Meso probably should have went when he saw the Marlin SS dive; it would have been a very difficult play for Hechevarria to get up and make an accurate throw home in those circumstances. But you have only a split second to make those decisions in a baseball game so I’m not going to be too hard on him.

      • Thegaffer

        Watching it again, Mes would have been out. The weak grounder was the problem, need to make better contact.

      • sergeant2

        I don’t mean to be hard on Mesoraco, shoot, Mesoraco is quickly becoming my favorite Reds player. If there’s another player on the team that always hustles like Mesoraco does, I don’t know who that player is. You’re right, it was a split second decision, but I just think he should have been off at the crack of the bat. I also realize that’s easy for me to say from the comfort of my couch. We’ll get em tomorrow is all that matters. Go Reds!