Johnny Cueto, you’re our only hope! The Reds look to prevent a sweep at the hands of the Yankees this afternoon by sending their ace to the bump. The Reds poor play in interleague games continues for another series as the club has already dropped 2 against the Yankees. The Reds could really use a win to build a little momentum heading into the team’s next series against Milwaukee.

Discuss the game, Reds fans! Please, Go Reds!

422 Responses

  1. ohiojimw

    The Reds are yet to win a game on the road vs an AL team this year if I recall correctly. Suppose this has anything to do with the DH making life tougher for the Reds pitchers and the Reds paucity of legit DH candidate bats making life easier for the AL pitchers?

    • vegastypo

      exactly. teams with a bad bench are less likely to have a ready-made DH at their disposal.

  2. ohiojimw

    White smoke, habemus lineup!!
    Hamilton 8, Schumaker 4, Frazier 3, Bruce 9, Ludwick DH, Pena 2, Heisey 7, Cozart 6, Santiago 5, Cueto RHP

    Courtesy @JimDayTV via Twitter

  3. vegastypo

    welcome back, Skip:

    Hamilton CF,
    Schumaker 2B,
    Frazier 1B,
    Bruce RF,
    Ludwick DH,
    Pena C,
    Heisey LF,
    Cozart SS,
    Santiago 3B,

  4. vegastypo

    from Jim Bowden on Twitter :

    Jocketty on Votto & Phillips: “We’re hopeful that they will be back for the stretch run, end of August or first week of September”

  5. ohiojimw

    To make room for Schumaker, Soto is optioned to AAA. So, they still have the “extra” reliever. One or more folks in the pen are not fully healthy and available I would surmise; or, alternately there is concern Bailey or Latos might not answer the bell in Milwaukee and a bullpen night could be seen as the best option (Contreras as starter)

    • vegastypo

      I’m also a little curious what, if anything, it says about Soto when Negron is kept on the roster and Soto is sent out. Or did I miss a transaction involving Negron?

      • ohiojimw

        Don’t think so on Negron. And by sending out Soto (3rd catcher) they tied their hands on using Meso as the DH per my understanding of rule (see below)

  6. eric nyc

    No Mes. Great…He just had 2 days off and yesterday was a day game. He really can’t play 3 days in a row? Or is this just Cueto getting his personal catcher again?

    • charlottencredsfan

      What about DH? I am missing something?

      • ohiojimw

        They optioned out Soto which makes Meso the only other catcher on the active roster. My understanding of the DH rule (and I am far from an AL fan and quite possible wrong) is that if you use your DH in the field, you lose the DH spot in the line up, i.e. your pitcher has to bat. So you have to hold your back up catcher back.

      • charlottencredsfan

        Who cares? What are the odds of that happening vs. the odds that Mes can make a difference with his bat?

      • ohiojimw

        The book says you don’t go into battle with only one catcher or one goalie 🙂

      • ohiojimw

        The real question might be if one really thinks Schumaker is OK, why does one need Negron on the active roster?

      • charlottencredsfan

        So DM could move from DH to C but the pitcher would bat in that spot? If that is true, I just don’t get it but Ludwick is liable to go 2-4 with a 2B & HR. But if he has 3 weak GBs/Popups and a K, boy oh boy.

      • ohiojimw

        I read as summary of the DH rule a couple of months back which was written to familiarize NL fans with the basics of how it worked. It said if the Dh was used in the field the team “lost” their DH. I presume the pitcher would be inserted into the line slot of the position player the previous DH replaced on the field.

      • charlottencredsfan

        That makes better sense.

        Go JC, Go Reds!

      • eric nyc

        Would that really be that bad? Cueto isn’t great with the bat, but he’s a NL pitcher so he’s not totally incapable. I’d think the advantage of having Mes in the game 9 innings would more than make up for any emergency situation where Cueto had to take an AB. And then you use your bench just like you always would to sub for relievers. It’s one thing for an AL manager to have to swing that not being used to the practice, but NL managers shouldn’t get tripped up.

  7. Steve Mancuso

    Kind of surprised that Mesoraco isn’t the DH.

    • eric nyc

      I suspect it’s as OHIOJIM suggests above about not having a 3rd catcher. That being said, it is interesting that last Sunday was one of Cueto’s worse starts of the year and there seemed to be some issues with Pena joining Mes on the mound more than once. I can’t imagine Mes isn’t available to catch today since yesterday was a day game so this, to me, says that Cueto demanded Pena as his catcher. That does not bode well for the stretch run. This team is already on the ropes – you can’t have a pitcher dictating we take one of our only live bats out of the lineup.

  8. Michael J Hampton

    Here we go with the Santiago 3B/Frazier 1B thing again. Can Lutz at first base and leaving Frazier at 3rd where he belongs (GG potential) really be worse than Santiago at 3rd and Frazier at 1B? I like Price, but he leaves me shaking my head. I like Santiago who does a good job in the role he was signed for, but when you play him like this you are essentially subbing in a weak hitting middle infielder for one of your power hitters (in this case Mesaroco) AND weakening your infield defense by playing two guys out of position. Unlike Soto, Lutz hasn’t looked totally lost at the plate in his limited playing time, especially since his most recent call-up. I would have took a shot that he might pop one over that short right field porch.

  9. eric nyc

    Just wanted to point out one annoying thing the Yankees did yesterday that made no sense to me. In the 8th inning they brought in Shawn Kelly to pitch. He gave up a double to Hamilton but nothing came of it. Then they brought him back out in the 9th up 7-1 with the bottom of our order due up. They had him get one out and then brought in a lefty reliever to get Neftali Soto out. The whole process of warming up Kelly then stopping to warm up Thorton added about 15 minutes to what was already a painfully boring game and one that was completely in the bag for them already. If you wanted to get Thorton the work, just bring him in to pitch the 9th. Just seemed unnecessary.

  10. vegastypo

    Keeping extra reliever until they know that Latos/Homer are going to be OK, according to Price on pregame.

  11. Kurt Frost

    I’ll be glad for them to get out of New York. I don’t like the stadium, the uniforms, the stupid whistle when someone strikes out.

  12. charlottencredsfan

    Just about as bad as it could be. These guys are stinking up the joint.

  13. eric nyc

    This is getting hard to watch. that’s 26 K’s in the last three days already and that number’s only going to go up today. We’re about to fall out of this race if we’re not careful.

    • charlottencredsfan

      Kuroda is also a pretty fair pitcher.

      • eric nyc

        Exactly. He was the Yankees #5 pitcher on opening day. I’m sick of the “well it was against a good pitcher” excuse. Just about all of them are good pitchers in the majors. You still have to hit them.

      • charlottencredsfan

        Compared to Phelps and McCarthy, he is Whitey Ford. It’s all relative at the moment.

  14. BigRedSaguaro

    Frazier swung at one in the other batters box and looks stunned they called that last one a strike. No pitch recognition

  15. eric nyc

    Making Cueto work right out of the gate. Not good considering how we’re going down lately.

  16. eric nyc

    Cueto got lucky there…That was close.

  17. eric nyc

    BP gets that ball 99 times out of 100.

  18. Jake

    That would not have been a single with Phillips on second. Sigh

    • eric nyc

      Been pretty fair so far according to pitch tracker. Although in general I hate Angel Hernandez. I fully expect some infuriating calls before this game is over.

  19. charlottencredsfan

    It’s bad enough we are struggling to hit any pitch hard but the lousy ABs are sickening.

    • eric nyc

      Nice AB from Ludwick. Was seeing the ball well and laying off the outside breaking stuff. Could be a really good sign.

      • charlottencredsfan

        Tops out at 90 and that plays well to Ryan’s bat speed.

        The rest of these jokers look like they are swinging for the fences. How about trying to string together some solid hits?

  20. eric nyc

    I didn’t know Paul O’Neil lived in Cincinnati.

  21. Jake

    A walk? From Ludwick?! The sky is falling

    • eric nyc

      It was a really solid AB, too. Wasn’t jumping out of his socks on the outside stuff like he usually does.

      • Jake

        I noticed. That’s not the Ludwick I’m accustomed to seeing

  22. muttonlettucetomato

    Ludwick looked like he went to school on that splitter and left it alone. I hope the other guys learn to recognize that pitch and do the same, although easier said than done.

  23. eric nyc

    Heisey hacking at EEEEEEEEEEVERYTHING.

  24. charlottencredsfan

    I hope not many Little Leaguers are watching this.

  25. Eric the Red

    Great moments in weird stats: Drew Stubbs leads the NL in Batting Average in “close and late” situations. Meanwhile, in weird Reds stats, our three homeruns the last two days came from our first baseman and left fielder, the two positions everyone says we need to upgrade. (Those three homeruns all come from guys who are supposed to be on the “terrible bench” Jocketty assembled this offseason.)

  26. charlottencredsfan

    JC is pitching like he has to pitch a SHO. Probably does.

  27. Jake

    I can understand the criticism for not having Mes in the game, but it looks like whenever Cueto has Pena catching for him, he just dominates

  28. Steve Mancuso

    Cueto and Kuroda have both seen 7 hitters. Cueto at 39 pitches, Kuroda at 28.

  29. eric nyc

    TERRIBLE strike one call against Todd.

  30. muttonlettucetomato

    What the heck does Angel Hernandez have against Todd Frazier? He’s called a way inside strike and a way outside strike against him today. Todd must feel like the plate is a yard wide today.

  31. eric nyc

    And Cueto walks the #9 hitter…What is going on with this team?

  32. Michael J Hampton

    Price, no doubt has an excellent rapport with his pitchers, maybe not as much with his non-pitchers. But he definitely needs to sit down with Cueto and Mesoraco and get them on the same page. There should be no reason that they can’t work well together. They are both major leaguers and should both be able to make the necessary adjustments.

  33. charlottencredsfan

    Angel Hernandez is challenging JC’s poise.

  34. eric nyc

    Cueto already at 60 pitches. This could get ugly.

  35. docmike

    Kuroda is getting the calls on pitches that are as bad or worse then those that Cueto is not getting.

  36. doublenohitter

    Best hitter in the Reds lineup right now is Ramon Santiago.
    Worst hitter – Jay Bruce. Dude is completely lost at the plate. All you have to do is throw him fastballs away or up and any breaking pitch.

  37. sergeant2

    That was Mr. Cueto at his best right there. Hopefully that will spark the offense to ignite. Go Reds!

  38. charlottencredsfan

    That half-inning might be a demonstration why Pena catches Cueto.

  39. Steve Mancuso

    Gio strikes out Carlos Gomez with bases loaded and two outs.

  40. eric nyc

    How big would it be if Ludwick could get it going for a bit. He’s looked good today.

  41. eric nyc

    Wow…One of the worst AB’s you’ll ever see from Pena there. Why is he only trying to launch one? Just make contact.

    • charlottencredsfan

      It seems over the break they forgot how they were winning games. These are power hitters we have now. Pathetic. The Yanks plate discipline is such a contrast too.

  42. charlottencredsfan

    Honestly, I have no idea why Kuroda even throws a pitch in the strike zone. It’s just not necessary.

  43. eric nyc

    Cueto’s BABIP is really coming back to earth these last couple games.

    • charlottencredsfan

      Having Brandon out is going to effect every Reds pitcher in that category.

      • Steve Mancuso

        One player doesn’t make much difference.

  44. Steve Mancuso

    Another crappy, lucky hit for the Yankees.

  45. charlottencredsfan

    Hit the ball the other way. What do you know.

  46. preacherj

    If I’ve said it once, I’ve said it a thousand times: Free Ramon Santiago.

  47. charlottencredsfan

    Hey BHam, how about a solid single here???

  48. Steve Mancuso

    The Reds, who are struggling to hit, give up one of their outs for a base. They have the guy who doubled off this pitcher in his last at bat give it up.

  49. RedAlert

    Hamilton pitiful since all star break – along with several others I will add

  50. Steve Mancuso

    Gritty double, first game off the DL.

    • RedAlert

      Reds might have the worst plate discipline in the game – don’t work counts at all – go up there hacking – you would think Jacoby is still the hitting coach – just brutal approaches at the plate

  51. charlottencredsfan

    Can that be the breakthrough?

    • eric nyc

      Hopefully Cueto can get through 6. Then we have Jumbo, Broxton, Chap. Good chance to hold.

  52. preacherj

    Not to complain to loudly, because they took advantage of it, but it would be nice to get a couple EARNED runs sometime soon.

  53. charlottencredsfan

    Okay Johnny there’s your run, make it hold up.

    • preacherj

      “Johnny Get Your Run”…….Of course it’s the video for the song “One”. Coincidence?!?

  54. eric nyc

    2 of the 5 runs in this series have been unearned and the other three were solo homeruns. Not a good sign.

  55. ohiojimw

    I understand Heisey sitting on the get ahead fastball and having at it because it was probably the only (nearly) hittable fastball he was going to see given he is such a poor breaking ball hitting.

    Frazier with a man in scoring position and 2 outs needs to be more patient and willing to work harder. He showed (twice) yesterday he could put a ball in play for a hit off of a 2 strike count. Why not today?

  56. charlottencredsfan

    Can’t ever recall JC nibbling so much.

    • charlottencredsfan

      Like me qualify that: since 2010.

  57. preacherj

    That ball was on the hands of Gardner. He’s a pretty strong guy.

    • charlottencredsfan

      Heard John Sterling once say that Gardner could be the strongest guy on the team. Of course Sterling calls him Garddy.

  58. Michael J Hampton

    I think Welch is on to something with Pena’s target location. It does look like Cueto is hitting the target, but the target is just outside the strike zone.

    • vegastypo

      it doesn’t help when he throws the same pitch five times, and maybe two times it’s a strike, and three times it’s not. how about a consistent strike zone???

  59. preacherj

    Hey, anyone hear Jeter is retiring?

  60. eric nyc

    Yankees broadcaster just used the word “Jeterian” pronounced Ja-TARE-ian. Ugh…

  61. eric nyc

    I don’t know how Angel Hernandez still has a job. This has been going on for YEARS.

  62. eric nyc

    Year after year after year. Can Beltran retire already? Ok, I’m not wasting the rest of my afternoon on this.

  63. charlottencredsfan

    Looks like JC is cooked.

  64. Jake

    Looking like we lost this series. Hope we can win the next one

    • AnnapolisHoosier

      Uh, they lost the series yesterday

    • muttonlettucetomato

      If Cueto can keep it a one run game, I’m not convinced it’s over yet. Anything much over that and it won’t look good.

  65. eric nyc

    Don’t look now but Cueto has been on some kind of slide for a while now. His last two starts he’s had an FIP of 6.92 and 4.47. Today’s not going to be much better. Hernandez has been awful calling the game, but Cueto has not been sharp either way.

      • charlottencredsfan

        When Hernandez is behind the plate, the pitcher’s stats should have it’s very own category. The only guy I remember being near as bad was Eric Gregg and at least he didn’t have Angel’s crappy attitude.

  66. robcheshire

    Is it OK to panic now?!

    Johnny all over the place today!

  67. preacherj

    Keep that shoulder tucked in Johnny.

    • preacherj

      Bet that’s what Price told him! Go, Johnny!!!!

  68. charlottencredsfan

    Johnny had some gas left in the reserved tank. Does Price let him start the 6th?

    • preacherj

      I would. I think it’s a delivery issue that our resident pitching coach/manager can quickly correct.

      • vegastypo

        i think price was wanting to save his pen for the milwaukee series, but he has extra help down there …. er, extra arms, not sure who is “help” down there

  69. PETEROSE_HOF_NOW

    hmm Cueto @ 110+ pitches, Kuroda @ 73…..I wonder if the two teams approach at the plate varies?? Get Zobrist now!

  70. Steve Mancuso

    Didn’t think the home plate umpire was wrong about those outside pitches to left handed hitters. They all seemed outside. Cueto has given up on using the slider to jam the lefties this game. Not seen him pitch outside so much all year.

    • preacherj

      Agree about Cueto. It’s like he’s afraid of these guys pulling it, but that hard slider in on leftys’ is a weapon I’m suprised he’s not using.

      • Steve Mancuso

        Leake and Simon were effective throwing down and inside – for the most part. They each did give up home runs. Maybe the Reds or Cueto/Pena decided to change the game plan to avoid those pull shots down the right field line.

      • preacherj

        Trying to overcompensate for the offense? That’s a way to strain both ERA’s and elbows.

  71. Steve Mancuso

    Cueto certainly responded to Price’s visit to the mound. Two Ks.

    • preacherj

      He quit throwing that shoulder open. I think that was part of the conversation.

  72. RedAlert

    Man Jay is just absolutely pathetic – guy couldn’t hit it if it was on a batting tee right now –

  73. Steve Mancuso

    Cueto definitely let the ball-strike calls bother him. But I don’t think he was right. The calls seemed accurate to me.

  74. Jake

    Bruce has been whiffing at everything lately

  75. charlottencredsfan

    Decent AB at least – hopefully a sign of better things to come. Baby steps.

  76. I H8 Dusty

    MLB needs to rig every MLB ballpark with laser technology that will automatically call balls and strikes. That would completely remove the significant variability amongst umpire strike zones.

  77. PETEROSE_HOF_NOW

    I that whistle NYY plays after opponents batter’s K should be Bruce’s walk-up music

    • AnnapolisHoosier

      It is the Modell’s song I believe

  78. RedAlert

    It will be an uphill climb to sore another run today – man this team is horrid at the plate

  79. George Mirones

    Could it be that due to the offensive shortcomings that Cueto is pitching defensively instead of going after the hitters. IMO normally Cueto goes straight att’em instead of trying to cut the corners. The lack of run support may be finally getting to the starters minds.

  80. charlottencredsfan

    I’m shocked we have even scored a run today.

      • charlottencredsfan

        Literally and figuratively.

    • George Mirones

      The odd part is that Santiago and Schu (pre-injury) were hitting before the break. They were and are getting good AB’s. The big three are filling slots instead of hitting (Mes sitting) Bruce being Bruce, Todd looks tired.
      Now, with Cueto pitching himself out of the game, the next 2 innings are the game.

  81. docmike

    Anyone remember 2008, the last time the Reds went into Yankee Stadium, when they took 2 out of 3?

    Yeah, me either.

  82. doublenohitter

    I’m sorry to harp on Jay Bruce, I like the dude, but I don’t think I’ve seen a hitter as hopeless and clueless at the plate, ever. Not in a Major League uniform. He is rarely even making contact. It is one thing to go up there and hit fly balls and ground outs. He isn’t even fouling that many balls off. It is really sad to see a player that had so much potential, who is in the prime of his career, have his career come to a screeching halt.
    He’s not the first to have it happen, however. Anyone remember Joe Charboneau? he was rookie of the year for Cleveland and was out of baseball 4 years later.

    • Jake

      I agree, Bruce is a very capable hitter but is looking lost at the plate. Swinging at breaking balls, not working the count. We need Bruce to hit if we want to be successful

    • Steve Mancuso

      Bruce is going through a slump. From May 23 to July 8 he hit perfectly normally in line with his career. Hysterical much?

      • preacherj

        Jay is frustrating beyond belief, but when you play defense with the cannon like he does, it buys you some time. And when he goes on a hot streak, he can carry a team for several week stretches.

      • AnnapolisHoosier

        Those comments are supposed to be deleted. All I said yesterday was it was no surprised that Bruce’s dropped fly ball didn’t make it in the recap and it got deleted.

    • Steve Mancuso

      hasn’t given up a run since May 25

      • charlottencredsfan

        Way to spoil a good story. I’m starved to hear anything positive.

      • Steve Mancuso

        Seventeen. Don’t you get tired of being wrong?

      • charlottencredsfan

        Only missed it by 13 games. Thanks for correcting it. Feels like Parra has picked it up since they shelved Marshall.

      • doublenohitter

        That was a joke, although it seemed that way. Seems like he had 2 1 pitch outings in there as well.

      • doublenohitter

        Parra has been good and that is exactly who I would have brought in. He should be out of the inning.

      • AnnapolisHoosier

        17 appearances without allowing a run

      • George Mirones

        That’s like saying the old Chevy hasn’t been in an accident since 2000, and not mentioning that the transmission has something wrong with it so we don’t use it as much.

  83. preacherj

    I know we talk about our injuries, but I sure am glad we haven’t lost 4 of our 5 starters from opening day.

  84. Steve Mancuso

    Another fluky hit for the Yankees.

    • doublenohitter

      They all count. It would be nice if the Reds could put the ball in play so they could get a fluky hit or two.

      • ohiojimw

        Right. Exactly what I was thinking if you take decent swings and put the bat on the ball instead of rolling over or pop up swings, things happen.

    • nyredfanatic

      still need to make contact for it to be a “fluke”

  85. hamiltonred

    Bruce has been streaky for as long as I can remember. When he goes cold in a situation like now – multiple, key players out and offensive struggles with those who remain – we look pathetic offensively. That is the Reds offensive identity. Being built around pitching, we should look for sabermetrics help to get high OBP offensive pieces. Just a thought.

    • charlottencredsfan

      Who do they have that is available?

      • hamiltonred

        In house, Santiago is doing a decent job recently. Sample space is small but his plate approach suggests that the 8-game hitting streak is not an outlier. We need more help and should be looking outside. Mancuso had a good article with options – Zobrist, Duda,…. I can’t speak to how hard such an acquisition would be.

  86. doublenohitter

    Parra gets strike 3 on the same pitch that Johnny Cueto was throwing that Hernandez was calling a ball.

    • charlottencredsfan

      Flexibility is generally a good thing but not when it comes to the strike zone.

  87. preacherj

    Ugh! Problem with weakening defense.

  88. RedAlert

    Boy oh boy – when it rains it pours – guarantee it will cost them – IT ALWAYS DOES

  89. muttonlettucetomato

    Sheesh… here’s to hoping the Santiago at 3rd, Frazier at 1st doesn’t cost the team a run here. That was a pretty bad boot by Ramon.

  90. preacherj

    Here comes the soapbox again, but this is the result of not having an adequate backup first baseman on the roster.

    • Steve Mancuso

      Amen. Or a real back up third baseman. Either one.

  91. sergeant2

    Reds should be at bat right now, but they ain’t. Crying shame, a crying shame.

  92. preacherj

    Alright, it’s time to shake the bats a little bit.

  93. RedAlert

    This offense is just brutal beyond imagination – there is no way Jocketty can sit still at the trade deadline –

    • vegastypo

      well, he just said in the interview the he won’t go for a first or second baseman, so what does that leave, left field? We have three or four of those already. I’ve given up on expecting any help from Walt.

  94. Michael J Hampton

    Well, that’s weird, they are not going to let him finish out the innining? Is he on a pitch count or are they that afraid of Santiago?

  95. charlottencredsfan

    When it comes to hitting, Cozart is like an unbroken horse. He is going to pop-up and pop-up and pop-up and pop-up………….. Can this not be stopped or is it like death and taxes?

  96. preacherj

    This guy has over 80 K’s so far. Kimbrel is number 2 with over 20 fewer.

  97. George Mirones

    Mancuso is putting together the recap. he is going back to the Padres series and just changing the names and totals 🙂

  98. Jake

    This ump needs to sit down, jeez. Terrible terrible calls all game

  99. preacherj

    Santiago doing it all…..not a sentence I figured I would write this season.

    • Michael J Hampton

      I like Santiago, he is very well suited to his role. He looks like he keeps himself in good shape and ready to play. I’m just not crazy about him playing 3rd base and moving Frazier to 1st. Those are supposed to be your power positions and the Reds are already lacking in power. While Santiago has hit well in his recent streak, he’s not going to keep that up but will revert back to a .240 hitter with no power.

  100. charlottencredsfan

    God, what did they do with Billy Hamilton? Has he forgotten everything he learned?

  101. muttonlettucetomato

    Billy getting blown away with everything right now. I wonder if physically something is really bothering him. He’s either chasing high fastballs or breaking stuff out of the zone (pretty much the same as Bruce right now).

    • ProspectCincy

      It’s called having a bad series. He’s in good company with everyone else on this team.

      • charlottencredsfan

        I would not rule it out. With either Jay or Billy. It is hard to turn to crap as quickly as Hamilton has. Tell you what, he isn’t running very well either.

  102. charlottencredsfan

    I’m in such a bad mood, I just want to tell that lady to stick a sock in it.

  103. Steve Mancuso

    Hamilton is 1 for 12 this series, with 5 strikeouts and no walks. He just swung a strike three that almost hit his foot. Not singling him out – lots of other bad hitters this series – Bruce, Frazier, Mesoraco – but Hamilton has struggled.

    • jcredlegs

      You can’t pin this on Hamilton when Jay Bruce is the easiest out in all of baseball. After 6+ years in the majors he is still as predictable as ever. Pitchers should never, ever throw him a fastball anywhere near the zone. He gets himself out on everything else. He is not a good hitter.

      • charlottencredsfan

        They both are stinking but yes Jay has stunk for a lot longer. Neither guy is playing well to say the least. I think we expect more of Hamilton at this point and it’s especially frustrating. Bruce hasn’t done much all year so what the heck – anyone super surprised?

    • AnnapolisHoosier

      He’s actually singled out often here and has been more productive than most.

    • User1022

      Yet by the very nature of you making that post, Steve, you were in fact singling Hamilton out.

      Billy Hamilton has the third highest oWAR of any player on the team this year. Yes, he has had a bad series, but at least he got a single hit, more than someone like, I don’t know, Jay Bruce could say.

  104. ProspectCincy

    Hamilton 1-12
    Bruce 0-11
    Frazier 2-12
    Cozart 2-11
    Mesoraco 1-8

    …. you can’t win with these kinds of averages. Would be nice to point to one performance and say “if this guy gets better” / but maybe these guys were just paying out of their shoes the last couple of months.

    • charlottencredsfan

      Hamilton is just not the kind of hitter that just goes 1-12. Jeez!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  105. TrueRed

    Jay Bruce has not hit for the better part of a month. I don’t care if he had one hot streak of a few weeks where he was Roy Hobbs incarnate (even his “hot streak” was just him putting up career norms), that is not going to get it done in a 162 game season.

    • AnnapolisHoosier

      Agree and right after San Diego they went on a tear. They aren’t as bad as they have played this series.

    • charlottencredsfan

      It is and with rotten fielding to boot!

  106. jcredlegs

    Great. Jay Bruce up this inning. Wonder how he’ll get himself out this time?

  107. Michael J Hampton

    The Red’s bullpen has all-in-all done a pretty good job under trying circumstances. They know they can’t give up another run or there is no chance with this anemic offense of coming back and on top of that they have to put up with the incompetence of the home plate umpire. I wish I had my copy of “The Boys of Summer” handy, I’d quote a Preacher Roe exchange with an incompetent umpire that he had, I just can’t remember it exactly.

    • charlottencredsfan

      Roe had some of the greatest quotes of all-time. Baseball or otherwise: “sometimes you eat the bear and sometimes the bear eats you” – after getting knocked out of a game early.

      Tod!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  108. AnnapolisHoosier

    That’s just ridiculous by Schumaker

  109. docmike

    Schu gets picked off, Frazier swings at likely ball 4…

    What should have been two men on none out, is none on two out.

  110. Bearcatville76

    Does Frazier get that pitch if SS is still on? Pitcher got a bit lazy?

    Is there any reason why Chappy doesn’t go 2 innings here?

    • Vicferrari

      You have Broxton and the game is tied, Chapman will not be used unless the Reds are leading

    • eric nyc

      Can’t bring him into a tie game on the road. The way this series has gone, I want him to get the last 3 outs if possible.

    • Bearcatville76

      maybe. Still stupid base running though.

  111. AnnapolisHoosier

    Schumaker should be made to walk to Milwaukee now

    • eric nyc

      Well to be fair, he did knock in the only other run today.

      • AnnapolisHoosier

        Yes I know, but you absolutely can’t get picked off there.

  112. docmike

    Would have been nice to have had Schu on in front of him.

    Would love to know the numbers as far as caught stealing and pickoffs. We have to be one of the worst in the league.

      • George Mirones

        There are no numbers that can explain what a hitter is trying to do ,or why he does what he does, that is located in an area between the ears.

  113. eric nyc

    Hey, did you guys know that Todd Frazier won the Little League World Series and is from New Jersey?

  114. Sunbreakthedawn

    Toddfather homerun inspired by Schu’s gritty steal attempt

    • eric nyc

      It takes some serious grit to start running before the pitcher even moves.

  115. eric nyc

    That “DE-REK JE-TER” chant is some pretty lazy crowd work.

    • Jake

      Honestly, I’d rather hear that then the Wendy’s commercial withy the redhead signing

  116. Vicferrari

    If Reds do not score- feel like they should leave in Broxton, but his pitchcount was a bit high

    • eric nyc

      I think they might. I’ve only seen Chapman throwing so far and they won’t bring him in unless they score. I’d have Jumbo warmed up and Broxton on a short leash.

      • Vicferrari

        Surprised they bring in Chapman now, it seems like you are setting yourself up to have your best pitch 1 inning and your worst throwing 2 or 3 if this game remains tied

  117. eric nyc

    If we lose this game with Mes not getting a single AB…

    • charlottencredsfan

      Squeezed between 212 pop-ups. He isn’t hitting HR’s from lack of effort, that’s for sure.

  118. charlottencredsfan

    Another Cozart pop-up, interesting.

  119. eric nyc

    Ok, so how about now that Cueto’s out we bring in Mes at C, move Pena to 1B, and Frazier to 3B? That way if Mes gets hurt we can still move Pena back to C, right?

  120. jcredlegs

    Stop me if you’ve heard this one before. Zach Cozart goes to the plate and pops out…

    • charlottencredsfan

      We need a good nickname for him. “Poppy” perhaps?

      • charlottencredsfan

        That would work too. It would be a shame to let all those pop-ups go to waste.

  121. eric nyc

    Chapman in…Odd. I just don’t trust our offense to score in any one inning.

  122. docmike

    I think they should’ve tried to squeeze another inning out of Brox here. With our anemic offense, this game could go several innings before we score again. May have needed Brox, Jumbo, and Chapman to all go 2 innings today.

    • eric nyc

      Or at least just bring in Diaz. He didn’t work that hard yesterday.

  123. User1022

    I really don’t understand why Ryan Ludwick gets so much flak. The dude is basically hitting his career norms on the season albeit with a slight drop in power. What were people expecting from him?

    He’s no offensive superstar, but he’s not supposed to be. He’s a filler player who isn’t a blackholes. Teams need players like that.

    So tell me again, why is Ludwick so universally reviled?

    • eric nyc

      Been asking the same thing in recent weeks. He’s not QUITE at his career norms, but he’s one of the few hitters in the lineup with a wRC+ over 100. There is a lot of bad feelings about Ludwick around here for some reason. Like it’s his fault he hurt his shoulder last year.

    • George Mirones

      Unrealistic expectations, inability of fans to face facts about Bruce till recently, and many think he makes too much money for his output.

  124. eric nyc

    Happy we won’t have to see Ellsbury again the rest of this year…Sheesh.

  125. RedAlert

    Ain’t got a good feeling about this – another bleeder thru the hole – geeze

  126. eric nyc

    Chapman’s going to blow this. I can feel it. He’s not throwing strikes and Hernandez won’t do him any favors.

    • eric nyc

      Not one slider yet. I’ve got a bad feeling something might be wrong.

  127. eric nyc

    Well if anyone can strike out 2 more guys in a row…

  128. charlottencredsfan

    Well a fitting end to a train wreck of a series. Don’t miss BP even a little bit!

    • George Mirones

      Now lets hope they have all of that type of Baseball out of their collective system and move on to the Brewers.

      • charlottencredsfan

        You got it George, you need new material for your next chapters.

    • ProspectCincy

      What in the world are you talking about. The ball landed 4 feet in the outfield grass … Frazier was there with 4 seconds left, and then just ran away from it for some reason.

      Frazier to blame there; only Frazier (well, maybe the person that put a 3B at 1B).

      • RedAlert

        Bottom line is it’s got to be caught – maybe a little fast with the text there , but it’s got to be caught period !

    • charlottencredsfan

      10 feet off the infield dirt. That was BP’s ball all the way. But don’t worry one guy missed for his HOF defense doesn’t mean very much or make little difference.

  129. AnnapolisHoosier

    Sorry, Jay Bruce has to come all the way in to catch that. Too tough of a catch for Frazier.

    • ProspectCincy

      FRAZIER had to go 10 feet behind him, Bruce had to come in 100 feet to get it.

      Frazier was there while the ball was still rising. Look where the ball falls for God’s sake …

    • vegastypo

      schumaker cannot go back very well on pop ups, that is why he plays so deep when he is in the outfield. with the infield drawn in, i fear that was bruce or nobody. whatever happened to the outfielder going for it until he is called off? Or maybe he was called off? Or maybe he feared a collision with frazier???

  130. eric nyc

    That is literally the worst possible idea I can imagine. Talk about selling low.

    • jcredlegs

      I don’t really care. Jay Bruce’s act has grown very thin with me. He’s not a good hitter, he has no leadership qualities whatsoever and now he can’t play defense. Dump him for a bag of balls for all I care.

      • docmike

        Sure glad you’re not the GM. Yes, let’s give up Bruce for nothing.

      • docmike

        If you seriously wanted to make a trade, you need to trade someone who has enough trade value to bring back a good return. Someone who is having a career year and is perhaps playing above their head right now.

        That is certainly not Jay Bruce at this point.

  131. jas428

    Six feet from infield and it is Bruce’s ball?

    • AnnapolisHoosier

      Infield was in, OUTFIELD was in. Bruce was there and stopped. Frazier has to catch the ball over his head, Bruce is coming in. Could Frazier have caught it? Yes. Could Schu have caught it? yes. It was still an easier catch for Bruce.

      • ProspectCincy

        I’m sorry, the ball landed four feet from the infield dirt. I’ve never seen a single outfielder ever catch a ball that landed that close to the infield.

        Frazier’s ball every single time. He was literally standing on the spot where the ball fell, then ran 30 feet right.

      • charlottencredsfan

        No one took charge, it looked to me. No mans land, no man other then BP on this club. BP would have been waving those arms so you could feel the breeze in your living room.

  132. RedAlert

    Man this team needs a fresking wake up call – FRAZIER DOESNT NEED TO PLAY FIRST AGAIN – BUT THAT BALL HAS GOT TO BE CAUGHT BY FREAKING SOMEBODY

  133. charlottencredsfan

    BP catches that ball 99.99% of the time.

      • charlottencredsfan

        His value to this team is so underestimated by many.

      • vegastypo

        i’m among the many who have railed about his place in the batting order, but he’s the Ozzie Smith of 2Bs, and it’s gonna be a long five weeks without his glove.

      • RedAlert

        It sure is Charlotte – we are now chasing the Pittsburg Pirates as well – another 1 run disaster

      • Aaron Bradley

        Santiago is hitting better than BP and not from the clean up spot. Still, we miss BPs defense, no doubt.

      • charlottencredsfan

        It would be like finding a needle in a haystack to locate any RLNers that believe BP should bat any higher then 6th. His defense is unparalleled for 2nd baseman.

  134. jcredlegs

    Can’t wait to see what kind of excuses our ingenious new manager has for this abomination of a baseball game.

  135. Thegaffer

    This switching people around on defense is a MAJOR problem. The specific issue here is the infielders were in, to prevent a groundball.

  136. Aaron Bradley

    The pop up is not a big a deal as Chapman failing to pay attention to a runner and then throwing a slider in the dirt to allow Ellsbury to third…that sealed their fate in my opinion. This is also a reason he will never be a good starting pitcher. He doesn’t handle runners well and he becomes a one pitch pitcher with runners on base.

    • AnnapolisHoosier

      No doubt Chapman was a big part of it.

    • charlottencredsfan

      He got a pop-up, he did his job. Sliders in the dirt happen all the time and that is something we will occasionally have to live with if if you have Chappy pitching. Not catching a 60-foot pop-up, in the infield, is not something that happens all the time.

      • Aaron Bradley

        He really should have walked Ellsbury, the count was 3-2 and he threw ball four but got lucky Ellsbury fouled it off. So our premier closer came in, tried to walk the lead off batter, instead gave up a single… completely failed to hold the runner on, he stole 2B on Chapman’s indifference, Pena couldn’t even make a throw… then he wild pitched Ellsbury to 3B… they didn’t lose because of a pop up. They lost because their “closer” couldn’t hang in a tie game. My memory isn’t perfect, but Chapman has lost a number of games where he has been brought in in a non-save situation. For all his elite strike out numbers, Chapman wins and loses about the same as his peers and blows probably more than average when compared to elite closers. They should consider trading him in the off season.

      • charlottencredsfan

        No closers are perfect, he gave his team a chance and they blew it. I’m not married to AC but this wasn’t on him. I appreciate you have a different POV, no problem.

      • Aaron Bradley

        I agree the ball needed to be caught… and yes maybe Chapman could have struck out the next batter and escaped without damage… the players out of position is not helping matters. This was a bad time to face the Yankees at home… they are an old team, they got a nice break and came out firing on all cylinders with Jeter playing role of the clubhouse leader having just been honored at the ASG. Reds go with Leake in the opener which set a bad tone. Reds need to regroup and find their Mojo for the Brewers series.

      • charlottencredsfan

        That we are simpatico. Great thing about baseball is there is a game tomorrow. One thing you have to say about this team they don’t wilt when facing adversity.

        Go Reds!

  137. docmike

    If Chapman doesn’t wild pitch the runner to third, forcing the infielders in, that ball is caught.

  138. docmike

    Once again, the luck gods seem to look the other way. Yankees get a little grounder for a hit to start the inning, then a strikeout, then a popup. Yet they score and win.

    Not saying the Reds deserved the win today, but it’s not like the Yankees played any better.

    • Aaron Bradley

      there was no luck..Chapman didn’t hold the runner at first, the stolen base was a gift.. then he wild pitched him to third base. The base hit was lucky but it could have easily been a base on balls as Elssbury fouled off ball 4 before the seeing eye grounder.

      • docmike

        The base hit was luck. If that grounder is another couple feet in a different direction, it’s a routine out.

        Now, I’m not absolving Chapman of all responsibility. It is on him that allowed that single to become a triple. But if the Reds had better luck, the wild pitch is just a harmless ball, and they are playing in extra innings right now.

  139. vegastypo

    swinging at slop, poor defense, or should that have been lazy and inattentive ‘defense,’ our daily baserunning blunder (that could have cost us the game), makes for a sad recap. This game would embarrass even Milton.

  140. docmike

    All it takes is a 3-game sweep to bring out the “fire sale” folks…

    Trade Bruce! Trade Bailey! Fire Price! Blow up the team!

    • ProspectCincy

      I think the sweep in Milwaukee will do that for everyone.

    • jcredlegs

      Nope. I’ve been saying it all year. And I still believe it would be the best course of action.

      • docmike

        If you’re going to do it, then go all out. But don’t trade guys who are having bad seasons, who won’t bring back anything in return. Start by trading Johnny Cueto, then go from there.

      • jcredlegs

        I agree absolutely. Anyone not named Frazier, Hamilton or Mesoraco would be on the table.

      • docmike

        Theoretically, anyone would be on the table for the right return. But guys like Frazier, Hamilton, and Mesoraco, who are relative bargains for the amount of production they provide, would have to bring back a huge bounty to be traded.

    • Aaron Bradley

      They didn’t look like a team that will play well in the playoffs. Playing at Yankee Stadium is similiar to playoff atmosphere..Reds looked outmatched and inexperienced. Leake will not be dependable for a playoff game, the offense will disappear facing solid pitching and if guys are playing out of position even the good defense will falter. On top of that, Chapman is over-rated as an elite closer because he can’t hold runners on base… if he doesn’t strike out the side he is forced to become a real pitcher, and that is something he is not very good at as we witnessed today with runner moving from first to 3B without a ball being hit in play. The team is fun to watch sometimes but I think we our fooling ourselves if we think this team can make post season noise.

      • docmike

        They look like a team that is missing 2 of their top starters in the infield. Anyone who expected this team to go into Yankee Stadium and do any more than take 1 of 3 was fooling themselves. They got swept, yeah, but they easily could have won 2 of the 3 games.

        Even still, this team which has been absolutely decimated by injuries all year, is still sitting at 51-47, 4 games over .500. Yet some would call the team a “train wreck”.

      • charlottencredsfan

        My point is the series was a train wreck certainly not the team. Price is playing the hand was dealt very well. But it behind them and the rest of the season starts tomorrow night. That is all there is. NYC is not even a distant memory now. No crying in baseball.

      • docmike

        Not directed to you, Charlotte. I’ve never seen you be fatalistic about the team like some do.

        I can see your point about the series being a train wreck. Any time you get swept, it is really painful. But we were not that far away from taking 1 or even 2 out of the 3 games. A little more offense and this team could do a lot.

  141. charlottencredsfan

    TF taking 100% responsibility for the blown pop-up. Certainly not the case but it makes him a leader in my eyes.

      • charlottencredsfan

        He got turned around and miss-judged it. Frazier would be last guy I would let off this roster. He is a man.

    • docmike

      Frazier seems like he could easily be the team’s leader for the forseeable future. Neither Votto nor Phillips have the temperament to be a team leader. Bruce, maybe, but he hasn’t shown that ability yet. Frazier would be a good choice.

      • charlottencredsfan

        Agree 100% DOC. Seems that he was born for the job.