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  Philadelphia Phillies  (17-22)
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 W:  Simon (5-2)     L: Kendrick (0-4)     S: Chapman (2)
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Friday morning began with the disheartening and gloomy report that Joey Votto hadn’t made the trip to Philadelphia. A feeling of dread pelted Redleg Nation the rest of the day. It was hard to gin up much optimism about tonight’s game against the Phillies.

Manager Bryan Price sent the Cincinnati Reds onto the field without either superstar, Joey Votto or Jay Bruce, for the first time since September 2012. In their place were journeymen Brayan Peña and Skip Schumaker. Mat Latos hasn’t played real baseball in 2014 and tonight was his turn to pitch. In his stead was Alfredo Simon, who was last seen getting demolished by the Colorado Rockies.

Then just before game time, the storm clouds – real and metaphorical – parted and the downpour stopped.

And shortly afterward, Devin Mesoraco, playing in his home state, blasted a two-out, three-run homer over the left field fence of Citizens Bank Park. It was Mesoraco’s first at bat after time on the disabled list and he crushed Kyle Kendrick’s 88-mph fastball. But it felt like more than a simple home run.

It was a shot across the bow.

It signaled to the National League – and to Reds fans – that they shouldn’t count out the Cincinnati Reds just because their best players were injured. Remember 2012.

Alfredo Simon added a masterful performance over 7.2 innings. He allowed only six Phillies to reach base and struck out eight. In particular, in the third inning, with runners at first and third and one out, he struck out Chase Utley and Ryan Howard on six pitches. In the fifth inning, with a runner at second base and two outs, he struck out Carlos Ruiz on three pitches.

Manny Parra struck out Ryan Howard on a nasty breaking ball to end the Phillies eighth-inning rally.


Only that the Reds have to wait 21 hours to lace ’em up again.

Not so random thoughts

I’m glad Mesoraco was batting fifth instead of sixth or seventh.

56 Responses

  1. sergeant2

    Hey Steve I want to take this opportunity to tell you how much I enjoyed your “Redleg Nation Infiltrates Busch Stadium” column. It was a well written and enjoyable article to read. To say my family was tickled to death is a major understatement (old people say tickled to death, and I’m getting up there) Thank you and keep up the excellent work. Go Reds!

    • charlottencredsfan

      Big hurrah to both Steve & Sarge. Steve for the dynamite writing, as usual, and the Sarge & family for being very good subject matter. What do you say guys? Two in a row tomorrow? Homer looking very good lately and maybe the boys can scratch out a couple of runs to support him.

      • sergeant2

        Thanks CNCRF (hope you don’t mind the abbreviation) Two in a row sounds good to me. There would be no time like the present for Homer to pitch a lights out game. Go Reds!

  2. charlottencredsfan

    Only negative: neither BHam or Frazier looked sharp. Of course, 18 innings of baseball might do that to a fellow. I’d expect both to be fresh as daisy’s for tomorrow’s tilt.

    A very inspiring tilt by the home town team with the two big guns ailing. What can you say about Alfredo Simon but please keep it up.

  3. AnnapolisHoosier

    Alfredo has been sensational

  4. Vicferrari

    I feel there were plenty of things to be negative about as it was 5-6 line-up swap away from being a miserable game to watch.
    – The 2 AB’s by Frazier where he failed to get the runners over were disheartening- ending the longest current hitting streak in MLB;
    – only being able to get 2 DatDude hits against a shaky pitcher after the HR; should have knocked him out of the game much earlier;
    – Glad I am not a Phillie fan, you have to question the ineptitude of the Phillies line-up with how many runners they left in scoring position and the K’s, ….what is the most all year for the Reds?, they had 12 tonight and Simon had not struck out a single hitter since April.
    I assume Simon just needed some rest throwing 3 innings in 12 days probably helped. The Reds let the Phillies beat themselves, hopefully Homer throws a masterpiece tomorrow and the team can get some momentum. They have avoided the losing streaks- fighting through it like good teams do, just got to start doing what great teams do and have length winning streaks.

  5. JuniorGriffey'sRecliner

    Quietly, very quietly mind you, I have to wonder if a healthy Mat Latos would have put up numbers nearly as good as Simon has to start this season.

    Simon is sniffing the top ten in ERA. This guy has been as amazing as Cueto.

    • VaRedsFan

      Right on target. Very unlikely that Matt would have as good of success as Fredo. The trade off is that maybe Simon would have helped us win some of those disastrous bullpen losses that we’ve accumulated

    • ohiojimw

      Latos isn’t eligible to come off the 60 day DL for another 2+ weeks; and, it doesn’t look like he is going to be ready at the earliest possible date anyway. So they can just keep riding Simon for at least that long. Also having Simon do as well as he has done really takes the pressure off the org to hurry Latos.

      A question the team is going to have to figure out is whether they immediately drop Latos into the rotation and return Simon to the pen (assuming no other injuries to rotation starters) or may be perhaps they might start Latos in the pen at the MLB level and let him get fully acclimated.

    • eric nyc

      I suppose you could wonder that if you want. But I’m not sure what difference it would make. Latos historically is not very good in April, so odds are he wouldn’t have put up the same ERA as Simon. That being said, Simon is second in baseball only to Johnny Cueto in BABIP at .211 so he’s had a healthy dose of luck. But even if you want to discount that, which is fine, the problem isn’t whether Latos would have been better than Simon over this stretch but whether you could ever assume Simon could pitch an entire season. Odds are he almost certainly couldn’t and might already be starting to inch up towards a wall where is effectiveness takes a dive.

      The best part ,though, is that Latos will be fresh late in the season. I don’t know why you would dream of putting him in the pen. That’s not how you get starting pitchers back into the game. I’m sure he’ll have a couple rehab starts in Louisville but then he goes right back into the rotation. And if he stumbles a bit in the beginning, you leave him in the rotation and don’t give into the shouts to bring back SImon. Because Latos will find his footing like he always does and be an ace caliber pitcher down the stretch and Simon will make the bullpen that much better.

      • ohiojimw

        I’d consider starting Latos in the pen because the man who is replacing him is doing better over a two month stretch than Latos would likely do. Has Latos ever put together a stretch like Simon is dong right now?

        Yes, have Latos ready to step in when Simon hits the wall you spoke of but don’t take Simon out of the rotation prematurely just because Latos might be ready to step in. There are few things better than competition for playing time and slots. The Reds could use a lot (more) or it.

      • ohiojimw

        My guess would be that at the end of the year, the Reds will have gotten an aggregate of around to a little less than 2 man/ seasons of starting innings out of the trio of Simon, Cingrani, and Latos, barring further injuries. Figuring out how cover those 65-70 starts among those 3 is part of the job of Price and Pico.

      • Vicferrari

        Does not seem hard to me if Latos can pitch this year. Latos pstarts, Simon comes in the 7th/8th when Lecure/Broxton need a day off. Otherwise he comes in the 6th instead of Ondrusek.

      • ohiojimw

        Speculation on the radio is that Cingrani is the man on the bubble. That makes sense since he has bullpen experience.

  6. WVRedlegs

    Super positive, 3 runs on 3 hits in the first inning.
    Big negative, 0 runs on 2 hits in innings 2-9.
    It was enough tonight. If they can give Bailey 3 or 4 runs early tomorrow night, that may be enough too.

  7. sergeant2

    There are a lot of games where the best opportunity to score runs off the opposing pitcher comes early in the game, before the opposing pitcher figures out which pitches are working that day, or finds his rhythm. Tonight the Reds (specifically Mesoraco) was able to capitalize on that early opportunity in a game that turned into a pitching duel. Simon pitched seven plus shutout innings, and the opposing pitcher shut the Reds down after allowing the early runs. I did not find the game boring as I knew all heck could break loose in any inning. Sometimes the only chance to score comes early, and the Reds took advantage of that opportunity. Don’t know about you, but I’m a happy camper. The Reds shutout Philly, and “No Structural Damage” Go Reds!

    • ohiojimw

      Right on Sarge. Don’t know how old you are but back in the day when even I was relatively young their was a song ” (You got to) Get It While You Can”. That certainly applies to baseball

  8. vegastypo

    I’d like to see Mesoraco play first base on days when he isn’t catching. That counts as a “day off,” right?

  9. Kurt Frost

    It could be very good with a healthy Bruce, Votto, Mesaraco, and Frazier in the lineup.

  10. 666wolverine

    The lowest used pen (which is very un-impressive if you ask me) in baseball and we’re still 7 games out is just one of the weirdest stats I have heard so far this season. We have one of the best defensive teams also. Team should be in a better state in the standings in all reality. C’Mon Price and company get your rabbits foots in your pockets or something we need some luck in order for this season to turn around I’m afraid. Worried the starters are gonna get burned out before August.

    • tourniquette15

      Lol I don’t know how “burned out” they can get when half of them are on the DL at any given time.

      • 666wolverine

        I mainly meant Cueto and Simon being burnt out. LOL

      • Vicferrari

        I would think all 5 will be on pace to break their career high in innings pitches, I imagine Simon gets shut down like Cingrani already has. Cueto’s on pace for 36 starts, the only time he had over 31 was the 2012 season and he could not make it out the 1st in what was essentially the 34th start. Bailey has only 2 full MLB seasons, so hopefully that trend continues and April was like a Spring Training he missed. Leake keeps improving but he will be getting in uncharted territory this year, was probably the best pitcher last September.

  11. Eric the Red

    1) It will be interesting to see if Price lets Mes catch Homer, or uses the “long travel day yesterday and just off the DL” excuse to keep them apart. Mes pounds LH pitching, which should also play into the decision.

    2) It will be interesting to see who starts at 1st. Soto vs a LHP? Pena? Votto, stepping out of a phone booth with a Superman cape?

    3) It will be interesting to see what Homer can do against this lineup. Given what Simon accomplished, Homer should be thinking about his third no hitter. I would like to see healthy use of his splitter, and he could rack up 10+ strikeouts.

    4) It will be interesting–and terrifying–to see how sharp Broxton is when he finally pitches again. I thought Price could have pulled Simon for the 8th just to get Broxton some work, and will change my opinion to “should have” if Broxton is shaky and costs us in a close game the next time he’s in. He was pitching well before this layoff.

    Should be an interesting day. Go Reds!

    • VaRedsFan

      Mez must play against the lefty.

      So you think Broxton wouldn’t have been shaky yesterday in the eighth, but would be shaky his next appearance?

      • Eric the Red

        Well, I’d rather have him shaky in a 3 run game instead of a one run game. Plus, one less day of rust. And there were lots of reasons to pull Simon after 7. Price is a professional baseball manager and a former pitching coach and I’m just a guy on the internet, so if I had to bet which of us is right I’d put my money on him. But I’ll be watching Broxton’s next appearance nervously, especially if it’s a tight game.

      • Vicferrari

        Agree, I was totally 2nd guessing batting Simon in the 8th, probably would not have mattered…glad it worked out but getting 2 more outs from a pitcher approaching 100 pitches when you got a high salaried power arm in the bullpen does not seem to show much confidence, I fear Price is getting too lefty match-up conscientious.

  12. eric nyc

    Yeah, 4 base runners after the HR in the 1st should definitely be a negative.

  13. ci3j

    Given that the Reds projected opening day roster was something along the lines of:

    CF Hamilton
    1B Votto
    3B Frazier
    RF Bruce
    C Mesoraco
    2B Phillips
    LF Ludwick
    SS Cozart

    C Pena
    OF Schumaker
    OF Heisey
    IF Santiago
    IF Soto

    SP Cueto
    SP Latos
    SP Bailey
    SP Cingrani
    SP Leake

    CL Chapman
    RP Broxton
    RP LeCure
    RP Marshall
    RP Simon
    RP Hoover
    RP Parra

    Which do you guys think is most likely to occur?

    A. That roster will finally all be in the dugout together sometime before the All Star Break
    B. That roster will finally all be in the dugout together sometime after the All Star Break
    C. That roster will never all be in the dugout together

    I’m leaning towards C…. Especially with what we’re hearing about Marshall.

    • eric nyc

      I’d definitely lean towards B. What have you heard about Marshall? I think there’s been a lot of SPECULATION about Marshall on here but nothing from the organization. Offensively it’s just Bruce and Votto right now and all signs point to them being back well before the break. Cingrani is penciled in to be back tomorrow. The bullpen is all there. The one question mark is Latos, who MIGHT make it back before the break but he’s the only reason I choose B. So worst case scenario we might have the projected Opening Day roster minus Marshall back before the break? That’s actually pretty miraculous when you think about how the season has gone.

  14. ToddAlmighty

    Why I Am Done With FIP (and maybe FanGraphs):
    -by Me

    So I was checking on some Reds stats on FanGraphs (hey, ZiPS has Frazier projected as a 4 WAR player!) and then I came around to Johnny Cueto…. 3 WAR. Not currently, but projected for the *season*. According to Baseball Reference’s simplistic breakdown of WAR, that 3 would put him as a slightly better than average starter (2 WAR) but not even close to an All Star (5 WAR). They currently have him at 1.4 WAR on the season which puts him in a 5 way tie for 14th in MLB among pitchers.

    Seriously, FanGraphs is trying to tell me that there are 17 pitchers who have been worth as much or more than Johnny Cueto, the leader in ERA, CG, SO, IP, SO, ERA+, WHIP, and H/9, so far this season. That’s when I know something is wrong. I remember Steve telling me a few days back that FanGraphs uses FIP to calculate WAR. A quick check of this tells me that Cueto is in a tie for 22nd best FIP in MLB. Now we’ve gone from in a tie for 14th to a tie for 22nd.

    I’m wondering how the leader in so many pitching stats (pretty much every single important one, unless you’re a W-L fan) can be ranked so low, I mean you know who is the current #2 FIP pitcher (now that Fernandez is gone with TJ) and because of that listed as #2 in WAR among pitchers? Corey Kluber of the Indians, who is currently carrying a 3.38 ERA in 58.2 innings over 9 starts. Cueto’s ERA is 2.13 lower over 13.1 IP in the same number of starts, yet because of this FIP, they have Kluber as being currently worth 0.6 more Wins Above Replacement than Cueto.

    So I pull up my trusty Google and type in “How is FIP calculated?” and sure enough the first result is FanGraphs, ready to explain it all out for me. FIP = ((13*HR)+(3*(BB+HBP))-(2*K))/IP + constant. They quickly mention the constant is generally 3.20.

    The first thing I notice is that since this is supposed to be “fielding independent” pitching there is no difference in a pitcher who gives up 0 runs and 0 hits to a pitcher who gives up 7 runs on 16 hits. This is already a bit of a red flag. Sure you want to make defense not a factor so you can compare pitchers better, but how can you ever value pitchers properly when you take out the two most important jobs they have? Don’t give up hits. Don’t give up runs.

    So I play around with the numbers a bit and I found out something really really odd. Say you have two pitchers starting against each other. Pitcher A and Pitcher B. Both give up 1 HR, both have 1 BB and 0 HBP, both manage 9 Ks, but Pitcher A only goes 6 innings while Pitcher B goes the entire 9 innings for a complete game. Lets plug in those numbers.

    Pitcher A: ((13*1)+(3*(1+0))-(2*9))/6+3.20= 2.86
    Pitcher B: ((13*1)+(3*(1+0))-(2*9))/9+3.20= 2.97

    This is when I had a real big pause. How is it that two pitchers have almost identical games, except one only goes 6 innings and one pitches a complete game.. and the one who goes LESS innings ends up with a better FIP? This is red flag #2 to me. Ignore the fact that nowhere in that equation does hits and earned runs come into being a factor, but now actually pitching more innings can actually give a player a WORSE FIP.

    Lets look at two real pitchers now and actual outings they had this year with Jon Lester (2014 FIP Leader) and Johnny Cueto (2014 Everything Else Leader).

    Jon Lester: 7 IP, 4 ER, 0 BB, 7 K, 1 HR
    Johnny Cueto: 9 IP, 1 ER, 3 BB, 4 K, 1 HR

    Now you’d think it’d be really easy to tell which game is better, right? 7 IP vs 9 IP, 4 ER vs 1 ER. Not even a competition, common sense would tell you. FIP wants to tell you otherwise though, because while we were all celebrating Johnny Cueto’s 1 run complete game against the Pirates and a 4-1 win, FanGraphs was telling us that 1 run complete game was only worth 4.42 FIP. While Boston fans were upset over Lester’s 4 ER start that led to a 1-7 loss to Toronto, FanGraphs was giving Lester a 3.05 FIP for his performance.

    Nowhere else other than with FIP and fWAR will you find that a 1 run complete game is worth nearly 50% less than allowing 4 runs over 7 innings. THAT is why I believe I am done with both FIP and FanGraphs and you probably should be too, unless you’re ready to accept Jon Lester, Corey Kluber, Ervin Santana, and Stephen Strasburg as your #1-4 healthy pitchers in baseball right now.

    – – – – –
    About Me: I’ve been a Reds fan my whole life. My dog was named Casey, I am a card carrying member of The Free Heisey Association since 2010, and the only hat I wear during baseball season is my Reds cap. Even if I am watching the game alone on TV, I will still yell “BRUUUUUUUUCE!” when he crushes a pitch into the stands and refuse to be embarrassed to admit it.

    • Eric the Red

      Thank you for the informative and well written comment. I look forward to reading the debate as people way more qualified to critique/support you than I am weigh in.

      I do know these stats are meant to be predictive, and they’re supported mathematically over thousands of data points. In such situations, the short term “eye test” or “it seems logical test” may well fail as in the examples you cite above.

    • eric nyc

      Nice write up. I’ve made similar posts about FIP lately and have discussed it at length with Steve and others (including you) on this board. This is the first season I’ve really dug into FIP and SIERA and I’ve come to understand a few things pretty well. First, if you want to talk about FIP, at least talk about xFIP which adjusts for ballpark. The fact is the equation for FIP weighs HR’s by a factor of 13 and they are by far the biggest contributors to an inflated FIP. Since Cueto has given up most of his HR’s in the GABP bandbox, his xFIP is a good 30 points lower and rightfully so. Why Fangraphs doesn’t simply use xFIP when calculating its WAR baffles me because HR’s are so crucial to its value.

      The other thing I’ve realized is that FIP as a stat fundamentally undervalues a pitcher like Cueto. That doesn’t mean it’s not a valuable stat, it just means Cueto is a very unique pitcher. Basically, FIP assumes that elite pitchers are guys who miss a lot of bats and keep their fly balls in the park. And to be fair, that’s true of most elite pitchers. Cueto has never been a strikeout pitcher – even this year when he’s well above his career norms he’s only at 9.50 K/9 which puts him a couple ticks below Aaron Harang for the season. He’s also given a few too many HR’s, but again when you play in GABP there’s a luck factor involved in that. But we have to accept that he’s given up more than his fair share (he ranks 54th in HR/9) and that’s a legitimate cause for an inflated FIP. But the biggest problem is that FIP has absolutely no factor whatsoever for what Johnny does best and that’s induce ground balls and erase base runners. His LOB% this year is a staggering 99.5%. He consistently induces GB’s at a rate over 50% which is excellent. The FIP argument against considering this is that Cueto can’t account for the elite defensive unit he has behind him, but my counter argument is that Cueto learned to become this type of pitcher specifically BECAUSE of the ballpark he plays in and the defense he has behind him. And his ability to induce weak contact helps keep his pitch count low which helps him go deep in games. Compare that to a Tony Cingrani who relies exclusively on K’s and who rarely goes deeper than 6 innings because of it. FIP just doesn’t have any way to value those things.

      All of that being said, his BABIP is still ridiculously low and that can’t be ignored.

    • eric nyc

      That’s all perfectly fair, and I know we’ve had this discussion before. I think the biggest issue is the WAR issue. It seems to me that FIP is a valuable statistic, but has to be viewed in light of a bunch of others to be truly predictive. It simply seems to undervalue a pitcher like Cueto as I’ve described above and I think just about everyone would agree he’s been better and will continue to be better than his 3.00 FIP predicts. So why does Fangraphs just use FIP in calculating it’s WAR? And maybe that’s just a quibbling point for stat nerds like us, but when there’s that big of a swing between bWAR and fWAR it’s understandable that some fans might get confused or irritated by it.

    • eric nyc

      You’d have to give me odds. I could easily see him putting up a sub 2.00 ERA. Couldn’t you? I understand the BABIP issue that will correct itself, but it’s getting harder and harder to bet against him. Put it this way – All past performance stats are a slave to sample size, clearly. At 72 IP Cueto is starting to creep up to the sample size of a full season of relief ball. If a reliever put up a 1.50 ERA over, say 80 IP’s in an entire season wouldn’t you be inclined to say that was representative of his actual performance?

      • eric nyc

        Ok, but where are you falling on the bet question? In your other post about Cueto (we shoudl really be having this conversation there) you pointed to his 2011 season. He had a 2.31 ERA that season with an FIP of 3.45. He has usually had an ERA/FIP diff of somewhere between 0.50 and 1.00. His measurables across the board this year are well above his 2011 numbers, so it would be perfectly reasonable to expect an ERA in the low 2’s or lower. Throw in the fact that he just looks like he WANTS it this year and I think I’m taking the under.

      • eric nyc

        If he’s having career best numbers across the board I don’t know why it would be surprising to see him finish with a career best ERA. Not saying it’s going to be easy, but he looks better than he’s ever looked so right now I’d bet on him having better numbers than he’s ever had.

    • ToddAlmighty

      Cueto is currently at 1.4 fWAR (5 way tie for 14th in MLB among pitchers) on the season and projected for a total of 3.0… bWAR has him at 3.5 *right now* (1st among MLB pitchers).

      Which do you think is closer to the actual value he’s provided so far this season? Do you think he’ll finish closer to the best pitcher in MLB, or closer to a 5 way tie for 14th best pitcher in MLB? I’ll put my money on closer to best, thank you.

      • ToddAlmighty

        The way FanGraphs uses FIP for their WAR, they’re saying Johnny Cueto in 2014 isn’t even worth being an All-Star. If his 3 WAR they have him projected for was in 2013, then he’d be sandwiched right in between Homer Bailey and Mike Leake. He’d actually be behind relief pitchers like Craig Kimbrel and Rex Brothers who only threw like mid-60 innings.

        Saying the best pitcher in MLB this year isn’t even worthy of being an All-Star is pretty much shenanigans.

      • eric nyc

        Again, I think the problem Todd’s having and that I keep coming back to is that FIP is a predictor stat and it has consistently predicted Cueto to do worse than he’s actually done every season of his career. You’ve mentioned before that some of that is due to its failure to account for Cueto’s handling of the running game, but whatever the reason it does seem to be a predictor stat that undervalues a guy like Cueto. I’d say based on the ERA/FIP differential across his career at any given time it would be fair to lop off somewhere around .50 points from his FIP. I’m sure there are other pitchers out there who consistently underperform their FIP – I’d imagine those would be very high SO% guys who play in pitcher friendly parks. The Giants staff maybe?

  15. docmike

    Personally, I’m not one that believes a pitcher has no control at all over their BABIP. I think if you put a ball in the middle of the plate, there’s a lot better chance the batter will square it up for a line drive. On the other hand, a good sinker should be able to induce some weak ground balls, and some high inside pitches can induce some routine fly balls. So I do believe pitchers have some control over line drive/ground ball/fly ball rate.

    The luck comes into play in that they have almost zero control over WHERE the ball is hit. There could be bad luck involved when a weak grounder finds a hole, or good luck at play when a screaming line drive goes right at the left fielder. That is why I love SIERA, which takes into account the type of ball hit, but takes out the luck involved with where it is hit.

    Also, I like xFIP better than FIP, because you have to take the ballpark into account when looking at homers. I know some of Johnny’s homers he’s given up would not be out in other parks.

    • eric nyc

      I want to like SIERA but for all its complicated calculations it’s usually almost identical to xFIP. It seems like a statistician’s attempt at a proof for xFIP.

    • eric nyc

      It’s kind of like OPS+ and wRC+ with hitters. The rationale for wRC+ makes so much more sense than basing it on OBP but in the end you almost always get a nearly identical number.

  16. ToddAlmighty

    Why why why why why WHY? Cozart is finally hitting a passable-ish .256/.291/.354 over the last 30 days/82 AB. So WHY has he moved to 2nd in the batting order? Haven’t we already learned he’s not a #2 hitter? Sometimes I feel like Price is taking a step forward in management, and then two steps back.

    Hamilton/Cozart/Phillips/Frazier/Ludwick/Schumaker/Soto/Barnhart/Bailey is perhaps one of the weakest lineups I have ever seen from the Reds.

    • charlottencredsfan

      Boy oh boy. Should have rested BHam too, he looked last night if he could use it. Poor Homer, he will probably need to pitch a shutout to have a chance.

      In the spirit of today’s Preakness, I give the Philles a 3-1 odds as favorites. Just brutal. I hope to dear God this has nothing to do with pitching to Mes.

      • charlottencredsfan

        Actually, I think that should be 1-3. I always only bet on the long shots as any you track lovers know, there is no money in favorites.

    • Shchi Cossack

      I have not been disturbed by any lineup posted by Bryan this season, or at least I hadn’t been disturbed by any lineup posted by Bryan this season…until today. The Reds are facing a LHP with no real track record against anyone except Ludwick, Phillips and Votto. Votto is obviously unavailable and Phillips is obviously going to start at 2B, even with a poor record against Hamels. Ludwick has owned Hamels, to the tune of a 1.017 OPS, and should start in LF without question.

      Soto at 1B?
      Cozart hitting in the #2 hole?
      Mesoraco not even in the lineup against a LHP?

      Bailey better fire up another no-no and the Reds better find a way to win this or Bryan better start ducking after the game.

    • Shchi Cossack

      With Schumaker starting in RF against a LHP, it looks like Heisey has seen his last chance at a regular starting role fall by the wayside, especially with Schumaker moved from the #2 hole to the #6 hole in favor of Cozart.

      • Eric the Red

        When Price realized that this lineup made him think “hmm, I guess that leaves Cozart in the 2 hole”, he should have reconsidered the personnel he chose for this game.

  17. Eric NYC

    So no Mes or Pena in the lineup? Don’t get that at all…Pena could easily play 1B again and the day game tomorrow. I understand holding Mes out if you want him to catch tomorrow afternoon, but it makes no sense to keep both of them out of the lineup.

    • charlottencredsfan

      I guess I’m going to watch “American Hustle” with my wife tonight. Have to pick your spots and this is one of them.

    • ToddAlmighty

      Bailey doesn’t like throwing to Mesoraco… for whatever reason. Don’t know why any pitcher wouldn’t like to throw to a decent defensive catcher who’s currently just pulverizing baseballs whenever he sees one.

  18. charlottencredsfan

    “Elbow soreness sends Cashner to the DL”. I’m tired of hearing that string of words.