Are we done with St. Louis yet?

The optimist in me says the Reds are due for a win.  The pessimist in me says I don’t like our chances with the Cardinals offense and Mike Leake on the mound.  Let’s hope the optimist wins!

Reds Lineup:
1. Hamilton CF
2. Phillips 2B
3. Votto 1B
4. Bruce RF
5. Frazier 3B
6. Heisey LF
7. Mesoraco C
8. Santiago SS
9. Leake C

223 Responses

  1. cincinnatus14

    First post on the new website. Really hoping for a win today. Please no Bell/Ondrusek

  2. al

    cozart and hamilton’s numbers are getting to be truly comical at this point. cozart has a .077 OPS!

    • charlottencredsfan

      I hear you; there is lot of “comical” averages ~ 10 games into a season. I guess I don’t see the humor.

  3. Tae Yun

    Bell is on DL thankfully. Ondrusek pitched recently so prob not today.

    i am sure Partch is available… good lord…

    what happened to our bull pen…. sadly they are all hurt …

    can Billy and Cozart get on the 1st base? that’s what i would like to see. they are batting close to what i be batting if i were in the games.

  4. David Taylor Jr.

    I don’t understand why everyone hates on Ondrusek all the time. That being said, so far this season has been painful to watch, but I agree with others it is way too early to panic!

    • battlerabbit

      Might have something to do with the fact that he’s not very good at baseball.

      • jessecuster44

        Ondrusek has a 50% making things worse conversion rate. And yes, that is a made up stat. He’s been bad.

      • David Taylor Jr.

        Compared to who? Better ERA, WHIP than Manny Parra, Curtis Partch, Alfredo Simon, so what are you comparing him to?

    • jdx19

      In 2013, he had the 11th lowest WAR for relievers in the NL with 50 IP. he had the 17th worst LOB% (left on base%), at 74.8, meaning 15.2% of the runners who were ever on base while he was on the mound scored. He was the 6th worst at giving up homers (1.91 per IP).

  5. aktrainer

    Good to see Price shuffling the lineup so that Mes is batting 7th, and that Cozart is getting the day off…hopefully it will help.

  6. ZabkaLives

    I like this lineup. Reds win 6-4. Votto gets his first HR and BHam gets his first SB.

  7. CP

    People with more stolen bases than Billy Hamilton:

    1. Emilio Bonafacio-5
    2. Ryan Braun-2
    3. Giancarlo Stanton-2
    4. Paul Goldschmidt-2
    5. Pedro Alvarez-1
    6. Yonder Alonso-1
    7. Brayan Pena-1

    People tied with Billy Hamilton in SB’s:

    1. Chad Dotson
    2. Homer Simpson
    3. Norm from Cheers

  8. CP

    Joey Votto has 5 plate appearances with RISP. Matt Holliday has 13. I wonder why Joey isn’t a RBI guy…

  9. Josh Mohr

    I really wish Walt went out and acquired Bonifacio instead of Santiago, but we’ll see what he can do. Nelson even over Ramon.

    • jessecuster44

      Walt has done a terrible job managing personnel over the past 1.5 seasons.

  10. cincystyle

    Although i agree with Ondrusek not being effective, it was Jay Bruce who cost us the game last night. It was a huge momentum swing and had he made the catch, most likely a different result.

    • jdx19

      While I agree with you (Bruce usually makes that play), Ondrusek still served up a ball that Holiday crushed to the wall in RF after showing he was happy going fishing that night (2K earlier on breaking balls down). It’s sort of flimsy, I know, but I don’t think it’s 100% on Bruce. It was have been a good play if he made it, which is why the scorer likely called it an error.

  11. charlottencredsfan

    Each game a little better. Get that runner in!!!

    • ProspectCincy

      If Hamilton is playing, he belongs in the #1 spot. There’s no argument for anything else.

  12. cincystyle

    Perhaps if we had kept Choo, Bham could have moved to his natural position at SS. Cozart would have been trade bait at that point.

    • ci3j

      By all accounts, BHam was brutal at SS. But it could just be the organization gave up on him too quickly there.

    • jessecuster44

      If we had that money to keep Choo, it would have been better spent on a package for a big bat in LF. Reds never were going to keep Choo – it was a smart decision given the exorbibant amount of money required.

  13. Josh Mohr

    Lead off 3B and we can’t score, wow.

  14. charlottencredsfan

    Absolutely disgraceful.

  15. jdx19

    Hm. Three pitches on the extreme outside corner. Splendid.

  16. Josh Mohr

    Absolutely pathetic offense. This team is not good.

  17. al

    every one of those curveballs was outside.

    • Shchi Cossack

      Every stinking one of them and they weren’t even close. Votto is at a sever disadvantage when the umpire doesn’t understand the strike zone.

  18. renbutler

    Holy hell, is the strike zone as bad as Gameday makes it look? Not a single called strike on Votto was in the zone.

    • al

      yes. they had it on fox trax also. and the eyeball test, and the votto test.

  19. al

    what are you supposed to do when the ump calls three strikes that were balls?

    • ProspectCincy

      I don’t buy that. The first curveball sets the tone for the AB. The other ones were in the exact same location …

      If the umpire calls it a strike once, then twice … then why the hell is Votto taking it the third time?

      • charlottencredsfan

        This. JV is struggling with his role on this team. He could be the greatest #2 hitter in the grand history of the game but he is neither a #3 or 4 hitter.

      • jdx19

        JV is the best 1 through 9 hitter on the team. Nothing will change that.

        I heard Miguel Cabrera was 0-4 with a K last night. He’s a bum.

      • charlottencredsfan

        Billy Hamilton will change that.

  20. jessecuster44

    Joey should curse out the ump – show a little fire!

    • al

      and get thrown out of the game in the first inning?

  21. Josh Mohr

    Suicide squeeze or something, SAC FLY, SOMETHING! BP, Votto and Bruce with a runner on 3B and 0 outs, no one moved. Put the dang ball in play.

  22. redsfan11

    Surprised at how much static fans give Mike Leake, pre game show showed his career #’s as being 12 over .500, can’t imagine too many teams getting that production out of a fifth starter.

  23. al

    that is very frustrating. BP just got beat. Votto should have walked on 4 pitches though, so it’s hard to put that on him.

  24. Kyle Farmer

    Un-freaking-real. Cannot beat the Cardinals wasting opportunities over and over and over and over. End of rant.

  25. Paul (@jockopablo)

    What’s the difference between Malaysian flight MH730 and the Reds offense? One is something that mysteriously disappeared and no one can seem to find, and the other is an airplane.

  26. al

    the ump isn’t giving the same pitch to leake.

  27. RedAlert

    Well if that’s not proof in the pudding that this team is snakebite, then nothing is – man on 3rd no outs, too of the order and nothing – just pitiful

  28. ProspectCincy

    Votto … I don’t care about his OBP; the guy is completely useless with runners on 3rd base. Lowest percentage I’ve ever seen in getting the run home last year; going to be even lower this year.

      • ProspectCincy

        I am … and when an umpire calls strike one outside, you don’t take strike two and strike 3 in the EXACT SAME LOCATION.

        Ball or strike, he’s an idiot for taking it when the umpire is calling it a strike.

      • al

        the third was obviously more outside than the first. if it makes you feel better to call him an idiot go ahead, but bad calls are bad calls. there’s a reason for the strike zone. it’s because it’s very hard to do anything productive with balls that are outside of it. i’m not going to say that votto should be forced to lunge out over the plate to hit a curveball, just because the ump is doing his job poorly.

    • CP

      Votto with men on 3rd in 2013:

      .417/.577/.917

    • Kurt Frost

      Do you have any, you know, facts to back up this statement?

  29. Andrew Mace

    That 3rd strike on Votto wasn’t even close. That being said, BP looked terrible. Maybe squeeze? I kid.

  30. charlottencredsfan

    Fastest guy on the planet and virtually any hit ball scores him. What the heck is going on out there? I’m really sorry but it is Votto’s job to get that guy in.

    • al

      he was trying, obviously. he wasn’t thrown a single strike.

      • charlottencredsfan

        They may not have been in the “strike zone” but they were most certainly strikes.

      • ProspectCincy

        He was thrown three pitches in the same location, all three were called a strike. The umpire was consistent … that’s what you want.

        So go ahead and give Votto a pass for striking out looking … he’ll do it 100 more times this year w/ runners on base; get used to it.

      • al

        he didn’t give that call to leake, so he wasn’t being consistent.

  31. Ethan

    You gotta get the runner in!!! Do something. Good golly gum drop, does anyone on this team want to win? We’re about as meek as a herd of sheep at the moment. This is uber frustrating!

  32. lwblogger2

    I am in agreement with the Votto bashers here. You just can’t take strike 3 with a runner on 3B and less than 2 outs.

    • lwblogger2

      And yes, it was indeed outside. That said, so were the other 2 strikes and the umpire called them. No reason to think he isn’t going to call it again. Love Joey but he’s got to at least try to fight one off there.

    • charlottencredsfan

      LW, he is a perfect #2 hitter so move him there. I heard Jim Leyland talk about Cabrerra and how with RISP he expandsd his strike zone because he believes it is his job first and foremost is to drive in runs. JV has the prefect mindset for a #2 hitter so put him there.

      • lwblogger2

        I tend to agree that Votto would be a good #2 hitter. Truth is, he’d be good no matter where you put him.

      • charlottencredsfan

        He is a great hitter but at this point better suited to the #2 hole than #3. I would expect at some point Price makes this move.

      • CP

        Yeah, Joey is the best #2 hitter on the team. And the best #1 hitter, and the best #3 hitter, and the best #4 hitter, and the best…well, we get the idea.

        Having Joey bat #2 on this team makes sense, but it is merely because the Reds’ #1 and #2 hitters struggle so much at not making outs.

  33. Kyle Farmer

    Might be a good day to find a way to yourself ejected if you’re Bryan Price. A little fire now and then is a good thing – even in baseball.

    • lwblogger2

      True… Arguing balls and strikes is a guaranteed way of getting yourself tossed too. “You’ve got to be ******* kidding.” said in a very calm tone of voice while I was catching one day was good enough for one ump. Ended up getting my money’s worth before going to the ‘clubhouse’ though. And I almost never argued.

  34. dreadthereds

    Guys, I wore my Redlegs shirt to work today to try and help turn this ship around! Now you may question the effectiveness of wearing a shirt when I’m in Minnesota and the game is in St Louis, but the Reds were 12-0 last season when I wore this shirt. The numbers never lie.

    • renbutler

      Then why didn’t you wear it during the wild card game?

      • Kyle Farmer

        You beat me to the question Ren!

      • dreadthereds

        I don’t remember the exact reasoning, but I just felt like I needed to wear my Nike Reds shirt that day. I understand if you want to blame the WC loss on me…

    • renbutler

      Usually I need to take a bathroom break BECAUSE of the Reds’ half of the inning…

      • lwblogger2

        And, what makes your comments even better is that I hear them in Frye’s voice.

  35. Matt WI

    Yadi almost hit another one out… we need to negotiate some kind of peace treaty with that guy.

    • charlottencredsfan

      Okay that breaks the tension – let’s win a ballgame now.

  36. Matt WI

    I posted in the other tread about how the standing second inning interview with a beat reporter on the radio is often bad news, but Fay is usually better luck than Sheldon. Fay just proved that true. Good job, Mr. Leake (and Mr. Fay).

  37. Sunbreakthedawn

    Dilly BH catch that Molina fly over the wall? Gameday makes it look that way.

  38. charlottencredsfan

    BP, give him a chance to steal second.

  39. Matt WI

    Holy cow… didn’t join the game until the bottom of the first… didn’t realize a lead-off triple was wasted. Wow. That’s all I’m gonna say about that.

  40. ProspectCincy

    Nice job Brandon Phillips. You accomplished absolutely nothing.

    • Matt WI

      Seems harsh… he singled. What is that about?

      • ProspectCincy

        In that situation, which Phillips was in a lot in spring; he never works the count. He swings at just about every pitch; and has taken a total of 5 pitches in 9 AB’s with Hamilton on first base.

        Even though he singled, he didn’t allow Hamilton a chance to take the base, which we know he can do on his own. So by advancing Hamilton to second, he’s really not doing anything Hamilton can do on his own.

        So unless Votto comes through with a big hit, it’s a wasted single. However, if he works the count and hits that single later, it’s 1-0 Reds.

      • Matt WI

        Can’t follow you there. Maybe if there were less than two outs. But I don’t know that I can get behind criticizing a guy and making it his “job” to watch Billy Hamilton every time he’s on base and then hit. He did a good job, advanced the runner. Needing a run in the 9th? Ok, then I could get behind it.

  41. renbutler

    Ball 1 to Votto was closer to a strike than called Strike 1…

    Yeesh.

    • renbutler

      Honestly, even Leake is getting some bizarre strike calls now.

      But overall, it’s inconsistent, which is the worst sin of an umpire.

  42. RedAlert

    Leake twirling a good one !! Get the man some runs !

  43. al

    maybe some of you are just used to rooting for football or basketball? it seems weird to me to gripe so much when guys get out in baseball. it happens way more often than not, you get that right? it’s a zero-zero game, that means they are getting out as much as we are.

  44. al

    bruce has the early team lead in walks. that’s a good sign.

  45. Josh Mohr

    Wow, this team is not fun to watch

    • al

      You know how Marty calls a pitcher’s duel “a good ol fashioned good one?” I guess you never really agreed with him.

  46. Matt WI

    Mes! Mes! Mes! That’s the catcher the team needs!

  47. renbutler

    Ramon! Ramon! Ramon! That’s the shortstop the team needs!

  48. charlottencredsfan

    Little by little, the bats are showing signs of life.

  49. RedAlert

    Big inning for Leake to throw up a goose egg

  50. al

    votto does have to get in front of that ball. i’ll never get why he tries to play so many balls to the side.

  51. RedAlert

    Matt Hollidy is a double play machine!!!

  52. charlottencredsfan

    Leake a #5 that pitches like a #3. Got to love that kid.

  53. Douglas Hyde

    This is a bad spot for the Reds….We have to get through this and get back on track. Just silly that Bham doesn’t score in the first..

  54. charlottencredsfan

    It’s Billy’s world and we’re just living in it.

    • charlottencredsfan

      One man wrecking crew this inning.

  55. Matt WI

    For the love of things, get the ball out of the infield Bruce. Preferably out of the park.

    • Matt WI

      Wow, wish I had seen that! Good job Billy.

  56. al

    single, stolen base with no throw, tag to third on a popup to left, tag to home on a popup to second.

  57. charlottencredsfan

    No one, and I mean no one, in MLB scores that inning except for Billy Hamilton.

    • ProspectCincy

      Absolutely right. The Reds tried their hardest to not score a run that inning and Hamilton would not let them.

  58. lwblogger2

    Now that’s not a very good arm out in RF but, wow! Very impressive by Hamilton.

  59. Aaron D

    An anomaly but Jay Bruce got an RBI on that….. Baseball loves its stats, but so much of stats in baseball is situations.

  60. Robert Doll

    The Ham Man making Cards’ D look silly.

    • cincinnatus14

      i’m officially a fan of this nickname

  61. charlottencredsfan

    This looks a lot like the Reds team we hoped to see in 2014. Maybe this is an omen.

  62. dreadthereds

    That’s three times on base for Hamilton today. We’ve all said it before…if Billy can get on base even at a .300 clip he will be incredibly valuable.

  63. al

    Leake is doing a great job of weak grounders today. Only given up 3 hits, but also erased a couple of those with DPs.

  64. cincinnatus14

    is broxton available to close? i think lecure would be more than adequate, just curious

  65. Matt WI

    Gift from Holliday! Make ’em pay again Mes.

  66. sergeant2

    I assume most have seen Votto’s interview at Busch Stadium Tuesday dressed as a Canadian Mounted Policeman aka Dudley Do-Right. It was hilarious.

  67. charlottencredsfan

    Cash it in fellows. One area where the Reds are far superior to the Cards: defense.

  68. RiverCity Redleg

    Is it wrong that I feel better about Leake at the plate here than I did about Santiago?

  69. jdx19

    Interesting non-applicable stat of the day:

    Cozart’s wRC+ before this game started was -97. The next worst in the majors with at least 20PAs is Allen Craig at -45.

    Frazier, Pena, Bruce, Ludwick and Votto all above 100 (league average-ish).

  70. esbienenfeld

    I sure hope Price didn’t call for that bunt.

  71. RiverCity Redleg

    nevermind. Why was he bunting, especially with 2 strikes?

  72. Matt WI

    Darn. Another run would have been nice there.

  73. renbutler

    The Bruce/Hamilton sac fly video clip is now posted on Gameday. It was worth the wait!

  74. RiverCity Redleg

    1st and 3rd with no one out. Zero runs. There’s the Reds we’ve come to love the last couple of years.

    • Matt WI

      Yes, sadly when the other team has that situation, I hope it’s limited to one run damage. With the Reds in that situation, I’m happy to walk away with a run sometimes.

  75. RedAlert

    Reds might be the absolute worst situational hitting team in MLB

  76. RedAlert

    Leake carving them up with the precision of a surgeon – Madduxesque!

  77. RiverCity Redleg

    I just don’t get Leake bunting there. He smoked the ball in his first AB that Carpenter made a GG play on for the out. 1st and 3rd w one out, swing away. I would have rather seen Santiago bunt than Leake.

  78. Redbone

    I can’t get over Leake bunting in that situation either. Maybe if an RBI guy is coming up next….nope…nevermind. Even then I don’t get it when Leake is such a good hitter.

    • jdx19

      You guys should get familiar with Tom Tango’s Run Expectancy Tables. They’ll make you hate that bunting decision even more!

      http://www.tangotiger.net/re24.html

      Basically, if the bunt were SUCCESSFUL, it would have reduced the chances of scoring a run from 65.2% to 28% and reduced the run expectancy of the remainder of the inning from 1.211 runs to 0.626 runs.

      That, of course, assumes Mike Leake is an “average MLB hitter,” which he isn’t, even if he’s good for a pitcher, so the numbers aren’t quite so stark, but still clearly would show bunting is stupid is just about every situation. (Bottom 9, tied with no outs being an obvious exception).

  79. RedAlert

    Better not see Ondru or Hoover even flinch in that bullpen

  80. preacherj

    I feel bad when Yadi strikes out………heh.

  81. Matt WI

    Wohoo! Got Yadi out in a clutch situation. Whale of a game by Leake right now.

  82. jas428

    The shift is still working on Adams.

  83. RedAlert

    Cozart can keep his seat on the bench for a while longer

  84. jdx19

    I hope LeCure or someone is up in the ‘pen in case Leake runs out of gas.

  85. preacherj

    Gamecast had Leake just painting the strike zone. He may have issued a walk, but it wasn’t wild.

    • jdx19

      Good to know. I still think it’s prudent to have someone up just-in-case!

      But what a gem by Leake! 8IP, 4H, 0R.

      We needed that!

  86. preacherj

    Pitchers best friend! Wonder what the plan is for pitching in the ninth.

  87. Matt WI

    Add a run, make a it a non-save situation, and get Broxton some work.

    • renbutler

      The way things are going, I won’t feel good unless we add SIX runs…

  88. preacherj

    Mike Leake has induced 17 ground balls this game compared to 4 fly balls. That’s getting it done. Good ratio, especially playing half your games at GABP.

  89. charlottencredsfan

    Billy showing all the skills today.

  90. Matt WI

    Bunt single? Billy has pulled out ALL the tricks today.

  91. preacherj

    Gamecast reads “Reached on bunt single to catcher.” Bham cracks me up.

  92. Steve Mancuso

    Brantley: Billy got that bunt down in base-hit land.

  93. sergeant2

    Does Hamilton put a smile on your face or what. He is straight up fun to watch. Go Reds!

  94. RedAlert

    Look out !! – Bilky Blaze is starting to figure it out – dude has gotten progressively better over the last several games – he is a weapon !!!

  95. Bill Lack

    If Hamilton can just get on at a .310/.320 clip…he’s a weapon, no doubt about that.

  96. preacherj

    Parra and LeCure are my choices.

  97. jdx19

    I have a feeling in 3 weeks we’ll be saying things like “Since April 9th, Billy is getting on base at a .320 clip” or something. Oh, boy, do I hope so!

    Also, HOLY COW. I can watch the game live at work in the Gameday screen. I had no idea! I have MLB.TV and have tried logging in but it is websensed.

    This guy is one happy guy.

  98. preacherj

    Gamecast has all three of Parra’s pitches in the zone.

  99. charlottencredsfan

    The air just has a better smell to it. No?

  100. RedAlert

    No rabbit out of the hat today Cards ! Needed that one badly

  101. charlottencredsfan

    Fabulous game. Leake, Ham & Mes leading the way!

  102. Bill Lack

    I’m not sure which guy Price has done a better job with Parra or Simon..both he’s really done wonders.

    • jdx19

      Nice comment. I remember last year feeling dread when Parra came in until after the ASB or so.

      Now, I have complete confidence in him.

      Game ball to Mike Leake!! With close honorable mentions to BHam and Meso! 🙂

    • Reaganspad

      Simon, but I love the job he has done with Parra also.

      Shoot, since Chapman will be in the bullpen, maybe we stretch Parra out again when Marshall gets back…..

      He is capable of that. I just love how he is doing in the pen.

      Now if Price can just figure out Ondrusek

  103. lwblogger2

    Tremendous job by Leake! Good job by Parra. Santiago is a very good defensive SS. And Billy Hamilton just played his best game in MLB… Also, very nice to have Mes back.

  104. preacherj

    This game seemed more important than what it probably was, but winning it, especially the way we did utilizing power, defense, speed, manufactured runs in addition to shut out pitching, really shows that we can hang with anyone for a series. That’s what we have to focus on while we are getting healthy. Play the rubber match like it’s the post-season.

    • renbutler

      Rubber match? This was getaway day. 🙁

      • renbutler

        Okay, I see you acknowledged that further down. No biggie.

  105. charlottencredsfan

    Well, this ought to hold the Fire Sale Guys off for a couple of days.

  106. jdx19

    Reds scored 4 runs without a hit from 3-4-5. That’s fairly encouraging.

    I know all games wont be like this, but knowing that at least it’s possible to win w/o contributions from our big guys is nice.

    • preacherj

      Only because there is an off day tomorrow.

      • Matt WI

        I don’t know… that’s a good time to make some calls and get those deals done.

  107. preacherj

    Yeah, I get this wasn’t a rubber match, but it’s a split, and it’s against the stupid Cards.

  108. Tae Yun

    nice game. only watched a bit of it. maybe that’s what i have to do. not watch it and then we win!…. like that Bud commercial w/ the guy going to basement..

    Seems like Billy had a great day. hope he has many more. he’s fun to watch when he’s on. Leake came through.

    Nice one, but still lost 4 games against the birds…. 3-6 overall. need to get some win streak going. it’s a tough opening stretch so let’s get to 500 baseball after the Rays…. that would be a good recovery. at least 2 out of 3 against them.

    good day all

  109. jessecuster44

    OK! If they win the next one, that’s called a “winning streak.” Good job today! Leake was awesome and it was great to see Mes hit!

  110. doublenohitter

    A really nice job by Mike Leake. Holding the Cardinals to 4 hits is like pitching a no-hitter.

    Awesome job!

  111. renbutler

    For some reason, I don’t hate baseball anymore.

  112. renbutler

    Choo just led off the Rangers game with a double — but didn’t score.

    So it’s not just the Reds…

  113. charlottencredsfan

    Billy Hamilton just makes the field look small. At that extreme level, speed is an amazing thing.

  114. dreadthereds

    I knew wearing my Redlegs shirt would help turn this thing around! 1-0 on the season, and riding a 13 game win streak! I think I may have cracked the code…

    • Reaganspad

      Never change Dread….(the shirt)

  115. Reaganspad

    Great job MIke Leake. Great job Meso. Thank you Billy

  116. Matt WI

    If you look at the video of Billy scoring on that sac fly, right at the end you can see Shelby Miller flap his arms and just kind of be annoyed that such a thing happened. Like he wanted an out called but knew it wasn’t true, but he couldn’t believe Hamilton scored on that.

  117. Reaganspad

    Fay is getting it:

    “but this was the Billy Hamilton show.”

    or the Billy Show as I like to call it.

    Shouldn’t be long now before he will not need a last name….