Just keep winning, winning, winning…  Just keep winning, winning, winning…

That’s what the Reds have been doing a lot of lately and will look to continue doing today vs the Stupid Cubs.  Johnny Cueto takes to the mound for the Reds in his 2nd start since returning from the disabled list.  He’ll face off against Matt Garza who is making his 2nd start of the season. I think I’ll take the Reds in this one.

Discuss the game here.  Go Reds!

211 Responses

  1. Shchi Cossack

    In response to questions regarding Cozart’s recent two game binge of success at the plate, Dusty had the following statement…

    “I’ve been kind of wondering what to do,” Baker said. “That is the spot for him on my team, but if you’re not getting on as a double leadoff man, that makes it tough. Many times I wanted to do something else.”

    Of course even with the two-game binge, Cozart was still in the bottom 5 players in the NL for OBP and still maintained an OBP <.250, getting on base less than 1 of 4 PA and is now firmly entrenched in the bottom 3 for NL OBP. Yet Dusty declares “That (#2 hole) is the spot for him on my team.” What a ludicrous statement, compounded by the equally ludicrous “I’ve been kind of wondering what to do”.

    Against tough LHP, Cozart’s performance in the #2 hole becomes even more important. Choo has really struggled this season against LHP and even for his career has performed at a much lower level against LHP than against RHP, so the lineup needs the #2 hole to shoulder more of the top-of-the-lineup burden for getting on base against a LHP, but Cozart does not provide that support in the #2 hole.

    After Robinson’s performance yesterday, I continue to be amazed that Dusty will completely ignore an OBP of .388 against RHP by XP and an OBP of .522 against LHP by Robinson and stubbornly keep Cozart and his .247 OBP hitting in the #2 hole with Robinson and XP hitting in the #7 hole. Cozart has a much better SLG (.354) than OBP (.247) and is much better suited for the #7 hole where he can drive in some runs without handicapping the team by not getting on base. XP and Robinson have better OBP than SLG which is better suited for the #2 hole than the #7 hole.

    • CharlotteNCRedsFan

      @Shchi Cossack: Despite the solid logic you use, Cozart is the #2 hitter on “Dusty’s” Reds. Come hell or high water and that is exactly what he would tell you if you presented this evidence. It goes to 11!!

  2. RedLeg75

    Today’s lineup:

    1. Shin-Soo Choo (L) CF
    2. Zack Cozart (R) SS
    3. Joey Votto (L) 1B
    4. Brandon Phillips (R) 2B
    5. Jay Bruce (L) RF
    6. Todd Frazier (R) 3B
    7. Xavier Paul (L) LF
    8. Ryan Hanigan (R) C
    9. Johnny Cueto (R) P

  3. Steve Mancuso

    C. Trent Rosecrans has an outstanding article in the Enquirer today about advanced statistics. There is a section about how the Reds use them and then an extraordinary and detailed page about several of the key advanced stats, what they are good for and what their limitations are. He also does a clear job of explaining the limitation of statistics like RBI, Wins and Fielding Percentage as measures of individual players.

    If there were such things as mandatory reading assignments in Redleg Nation, I suspect this might make Chad’s list. Regardless of which “side” you come down on advanced stats, this is informative reading.

    How the Reds use: http://cincinnati.com/blogs/reds/files/2013/05/Page-1.pdf

    Strengths and weaknesses: http://cincinnati.com/blogs/reds/files/2013/05/Page2.pdf

  4. RedForever

    Reds are off to their bet start since 1995 when they won the division.

    That was the year when the Reds got swept by the Braves.

  5. Mwv

    Hanigan in there again. I know he’s been playing great but I just keep wondering what exactly Mez did to be relegated to the “only when I have to play him” role.

  6. RedForever

    Man, Choo is really on the skids. It will be nice to see him back to hitting the ball again.

  7. Mwv

    Votto continues his machine-like hitting.

  8. Mwv

    Garza needs to get BP here, not sure how he’ll do against Bruce. He’s a bit wild right now.

  9. eric nyc

    Cubs gonna Cub. Lets have Soriano try to steal on Cueto/Hanigan! Why not?

  10. LVW

    You don’t run on the tandem of Cueto and Hanigan!

  11. RedForever

    Cubs will be lucky to get 5 out of Garza. He has already thrown 42 pitches.

  12. mthomas5810

    If you look at Zach Cozart and Todd Frazier’s numbers, they are fairly similar. So why does it seem like Cozart gets so much of the criticism and Frazier almost gets a pass?

    • al

      @mthomas5810: Two reasons.

      First, while they may have similar batting averages, Frazier walks a lot more and hits for more power. His 14 point advantage on Cozart in batting average turns into 121 points of OPS. That’s a pretty big gap. By OPS, that would be like saying Brandon Phillips (.815) and Devin Mesoraco (.712) are having pretty similar seasons.

      Second, it’s just the batting order thing. Frazier has been slumping pretty hard for a month, but hitting 6th still seems pretty appropriate (since he still has more power than anyone hitting behind him). Cozart gets lots of attention because he has a .247 OBP in a lineup spot that should be all about getting on in front of Votto-Phillips-Bruce.

      So the second really isn’t his fault.

      • CI3J

        @mthomas5810: Two reasons.

        First, while they may have similar batting averages, Frazier walks a lot more and hits for more power. His 14 point advantage on Cozart in batting average turns into 121 points of OPS. That’s a pretty big gap. By OPS, that would be like saying Brandon Phillips (.815) and Devin Mesoraco (.712) are having pretty similar seasons.

        Second, it’s just the batting order thing. Frazier has been slumping pretty hard for a month, but hitting 6th still seems pretty appropriate (since he still has more power than anyone hitting behind him). Cozart gets lots of attention because he has a .247 OBP in a lineup spot that should be all about getting on in front of Votto-Phillips-Bruce.

        So the second really isn’t his fault.

        This.

        Frazier has slumped, true, but despite it all he still has decent OPS numbers. Cozart, on the other hand, has been more or less useless in all facets of offense, a fact that has been magnified by his place in the batting order.

      • cincyreds14

        @CI3J: And the fact that Didi G is carrying the Diamondbacks and is simply looking tremendous at SS. Does this team ever assess talent correctly? And despite beating Wood on Friday, the Reds will live to regret that trade as well (especially with Sean Marshall making a living on the DL this year). As it is, the Dusty and Walt show is getting old real fast.

  13. RedForever

    Garza up to 55 pitches with 1 out in the 3rd.

  14. al

    Looks like a serious pitcher’s duel shaping up. Garza has 6 K’s through 3 innings.

  15. ajswartz888

    Fanned Votto on 3 pitches. Wow. Don’t see that very often.

  16. Mwv

    BRUUUUUCE!!! That ball zipped off his bat.

  17. eric nyc

    I swear Bruce hits balls to the same cluster of 4 or 5 seats almost every time he goes long.

    • Mwv

      @eric nyc: He does hit a lot of them to that same slot over there in right field.

      • eric nyc

        @Mwv: They showed the two HRs he hit off of Garza last year and they were both to that seame exact spot. Same row, right on the aisle. I was at a game 3 or 4 years ago I think also against the Cubs when he hit THREE to that same spot.

  18. ToddAlmighty

    Crazy, with roughly 80 AB, Paul’s walk total is tied for third on the Reds. Only behind Votto and Choo.

  19. Mwv

    That ball got hammered, nice job Hanigan.

  20. ToddAlmighty

    Hanigan must have found some batting power lying around somewhere.

  21. al

    Just to put this into perspective, XP has two walks today, and Cozart has 7 on the season.

    • laus Deo

      A little late I know.. But…. BRRRRUUUUCCCCEE!!! 🙂

      Nice job Frazier too…

      Go Reds!!!

  22. al

    There’s a little bit of justice on that wild pitch, since I have no idea how Hanigan’s shot was a single.

    • eric nyc

      @al: Frazier held up which meant XP couldn’t get to 3rd, thou I don’t know why he didnt try since obviously the throw was going to come home.

      • eric nyc

        Hahaha. Cueto tried to Bo Jackson the bat over his thigh. Keep up the weight training, Johnny.

      • ToddAlmighty

        @al: With absolutely no basis to it, I choose to believe that it’s the temporary third base coach being too cautious again.

      • ToddAlmighty

        @eric nyc: Mark Spier? Might not be, I forget the guy’s name a lot too. Either way, he’s been super cautious all year at third.

  23. ToddAlmighty

    Good AB by Cueto. 9 pitches, pushed the pitcher up to 85 pitches in the 4th.

  24. RedForever

    This would be a good time for Choo to break his slump.

  25. eric nyc

    That any pitcher would ever dream of intentionally walking your leadoff hitter to get to your #2 hitter should really slap Dusty awake about his lineup construction.

    • eric nyc

      @eric nyc: Or not…Zack will be batting 2nd for the rest of his life now.

  26. Mwv

    There we go, let’s get into that Cubs pen now. It’s good to play the Cubs.

  27. ToddAlmighty

    Wow, that whole intentional walk thing really backfired, huh?

    Also, not bases clearing?

  28. BearcatNation

    Cozart just gave the virtual middle finger for walking someone to get to him.

  29. RedForever

    Reds have had 2 5-run and 1 4-run inning in this series.

  30. eric nyc

    And THAT’S why you bat Cozart ahead of Votto. What a bum.

  31. ToddAlmighty

    Votto: 23 RBI
    Cozart: 22 RBI

    That means they’re roughly equal in terms of who’s better at baseball, right?

  32. RedForever

    Dusty has a way of making himself look bad but he also has a way of making US look bad!

  33. al

    Looking at some Reds stats, just noticed that neither Votto or Choo have hit an infield fly this year. Pretty insane.

    • eric nyc

      @al: Not sure if it was debunked, but there was an article last year that claimed Votto has never hit an infield fly or a long foul ball to right field in his entire major league career.

      • al

        @eric nyc: According to fangraphs, the percent of Votto’s flyballs that have been infield popups has been:

        2009: 1.4%
        2010: 0%
        2011: .6%
        2012: 1.1%
        2013: 0%

        So I’m guessing here, but I’d bet that that means he’s has a total of 5 since 2009.

      • eric nyc

        @al: article was early in the year, so maybe if that .6% from 2011 was a borderline line drive they were saying he hadn’t hit one since his rookie year.

        Splitting hairs. I think Votto might be a pretty good hitter someday.

      • ToddAlmighty

        @eric nyc: Still think we totally should have kept that Alonso kid instead. Who needs Latos anyway? Heh

      • LVW

        @al: Not sure if it was debunked, but there was an article last year that claimed Votto has never hit an infield fly or a long foul ball to right field in his entire major league career.

        He’s popped out to an infielder 11 times in his career: 2007-2; 2008-5; 2009-2; 2010-0; 2011-1; 2012-1; 2013-0.

    • LVW

      Looking at some Reds stats, just noticed that neither Votto or Choo have hit an infield fly this year. Pretty insane.

      Votto very very rarely does. The last 1320 times Votto has put the ball in play he’s popped out to an infielder TWICE!

  34. eric nyc

    Johnny still doesn’t look entirely himself since the injury.

  35. al

    Frazier’s defense has been one of the biggest surprises this season. He has the best Runs Saved on the team.

    • eric nyc

      @al: Call me crazy but I’m not at all surprised. I seem to remember him always being perfectly solid last year. Seems like the “concern” was all manufactured and a little Rolen-retirement love.

      • al

        @eric nyc: He was good last year for sure, but he looks a lot better this year. I think you’re right though, Rolen was so good for so long, I think people just assumed whoever we replaced him with would be a lot worse.

  36. al

    Garza chased after 4IP. That’s rough.

  37. Mwv

    Frazier has definitely been looking better.. Super Todd with the triple!

  38. Mwv

    I’m stunned that they issued a warning over that pitch.

  39. Mwv

    Cueto meanwhile is mowing down the Cubs.

  40. ToddAlmighty

    You know, naturally wild pitcher or not.. the heck is the purpose of a warning that apparently only applies to one team? So the Cubs are allowed to have accidental wild pitches, but if Cueto gets one, he’s ejected now?

    • BenL

      @ToddAlmighty: I hope the ump just realized after the fact that his warning was ridiculous, and he’ll give Cueto some leeway too, if need be.

  41. RedForever

    Cueto still hitting 93 after 100 pitches.

  42. Mwv

    Sheesh, Ondru just fell apart after the first two batters. Lost all control.

  43. RedForever

    Let’s hope that not having a LOOGY in the bullpen doesn’t come back to haunt the Reds.

    … and as I’m typing Ondru-suck gives it up.

  44. 90reds

    Logan Ondrusek- your eighth inning pitcher

  45. 90reds

    and now Manny Parra in a high leverage situation. Fantastic

    • NastyBoys3

      @90reds: But a tie game isn’t a high leverage situation for Dusty, so bringing in Parra is totally understandable.

      • 90reds

        @NastyBoys3: if it was still a three run lead, we wouldn’t see Parra. But because it is tied, it’s ok

  46. RedForever

    God, no. Not Parra! You might as well write this game off.

  47. eric nyc

    Unbelievable. First that we would keep Ondrusek in through the heart of their order when he clearly couldn’t locate a pitch, and now that MANNY PARRA is who we bring in to stop the bleeding.

    • EastCoastVibes

      EXACT reason this team will never win a WS with this clown. I’m already having nightmares of these idiotic decisions in October. God forbid Welsh or Kelch question the toothpick.

  48. redbullet64

    Where is Hoover? Wait, this is Dusty

  49. wildwestLV

    How do you spell S-U-C-K? S-E-K.

  50. RedForever

    That sound you just heard was the combined cheer of the Pirates and Cardinal fans.

  51. NastyBoys3

    Are we gonna hear next that Lecure is having shoulder fatigue?

  52. CharlotteNCRedsFan

    Ugh!!!!!

    Leaving him in. Really??

  53. RedForever

    Take Parra out. Heck, he shouldn’t even be on the roster.

  54. pinson343

    Ondrusek and Parra – we’ve seen this before. This is the problem when Marshall goes on the DL, less depth. And more dependent on Dusty to make good decisions.

  55. Ethan D

    I don’t even know what to say about this game

  56. LVW

    All of this after 2 out and nobody on.

  57. CharlotteNCRedsFan

    We will get them tomorrow, guys.

  58. Ethan D

    Parra should have never been signed. This guy has been awful for years

  59. RedForever

    I mean, Parra was in AA? Why is he here?

  60. RedForever

    And Parra can’t get anyone out. Yikes!

  61. redbullet64

    WHAT IS DUSTY DOING. WTF!!!!!!

  62. ToddAlmighty

    Phew, good thing Chapman was used in those ever crucial back-to-back 3 run lead saves. Means Broxton can’t pitch the 8th, which means Dusty gets to start making decisions….

    And oh my gosh, even with the walk, Parra is STILL IN THE GAME.

  63. wildwestLV

    Good to see the Manny Parra Project continue. Really good thing to see.

  64. CharlotteNCRedsFan

    This why winning a World Championship, with DB at the helm, will be nearly impossible.

  65. Mwv

    I’d forgotten how exciting it could be to watch Mana Parra pitch for us.

  66. ToddAlmighty

    LeCure has pitched 2 innings in the last 9 days, Hoover has pitched .2 innings in the last 10 days, and Simon has pitched 2.1 innings in the last 16 days.

    Yet Ondrusek is the 8th inning guy and Parra is who comes in to get the Reds out of trouble? Really?

    • dn4192

      LeCure has pitched 2 innings in the last 9 days, Hoover has pitched .2 innings in the last 10 days, and Simon has pitched 2.1 innings in the last 16 days.

      Yet Ondrusek is the 8th inning guy and Parra is who comes in to get the Reds out of trouble? Really?

      This slamming of Logan is unfair and unsupported by numbers. He had a bad outing, it happens, get over it the world is not coming to an end if the Reds lose today.

  67. RedForever

    Wow. Got lucky there. You are just playing with fire putting Parra out there. Jocketty has got to get off his you know what and find a decent lefty.

  68. eric nyc

    I seriously hope that out did not instill Dusty or Walt with any confidence in Parra. That guy doesn’t belong anywhere near a major league roster, let alone a contender.

  69. wildwestLV

    I’ll bet you anything it will be Marra over Hoover in the 9th. Any takers? He’ll probably bat (bunt) for himself.

  70. RedForever

    What good is a lefty in the bullpen if you CAN’T GET ANYONE OUT?

  71. wildwestLV

    The good news is we still have Hoover, LeCure, Simon available. Like, real MLB pitchers still available. That is, IF Dusty uses them, of course.

  72. CharlotteNCRedsFan

    I can appreciate Dusty wants to get Manny going but was that really the time to do so?

  73. PRoseFutureHOFer

    Hey, Balbuena: You’re a Cub! You’re not supposed to make a play like that!

  74. RedForever

    Let’s hope we can say Cubs will Cub and Reds will Red and not Cubs will Red and Reds will Cub.

  75. wildwestLV

    I really hope Hoover is on his game.

  76. JEFFMO

    If it comes down to 2-3 games at the end of the year between the Reds, Cardinals, & Pirates making the playoffs, you may have to look at the game. You have to go for the jugular when you have a chance at a sweep. You have to know that Ondrusek was going to fail sometime. I would have brought in Hoover, Lecure, or Simon. Guys you know that are pretty dependable. And yes, putting Parra out there is playing with fire or russian roulet!

  77. Truman48

    So you pitch two straight one-inning games and you are not elgible to pitch a third? That is ridiculous.

  78. EastCoastVibes

    It boggles my friggin mind how a BASEBALL manager can screw up so many decisions EVERY single day. It is IMPOSSIBLE to win a world series with this clown. Just once would I like to hear these other clowns (Welsh & Kelch) question this managers decisions….

  79. CharlotteNCRedsFan

    The ironic, and sad, thing is: would Marshall been allowed to even face the RH bats in the 8th?

  80. RedForever

    The sad thing is there is NOTHING in the minors that could be brought up. I saw where Arredondo was suspended for a violation of team rules (not that he has been pitching very well).

  81. RedForever

    Wow, an absolute collapse by the Reds bullpen. How many times have we seen that this year?

      • RedForever

        @Mwv: I think 2 or 3 times. Once, Broxton was in the middle of it. I know ondrusuck has been in the middle at least twice.

      • Mwv

        @RedForever: The pen isn’t as good as last year thus far, but last year they were pitching out of their minds. Overall they’ve been good up to this point in the year.

    • YorktownRed

      @RedForever:
      I can think of 2 particularly painful Sunday meltdowns early this year. One against the Pirates and last weekend against the Phils.

  82. ToddAlmighty

    Yup, that looked like a first pitch from a guy who’s only gone .2 innings in the last 10 days. While Ondrusek was getting more.

    • RedForever

      Nice job by Hoover.

      Great minds think alike!

  83. pinson343

    Horrible AB by Castro. On the first 2 strikes, swinging for the fences when all he had to was hit a single. Then strikes out on ball 3.

  84. RedForever

    Top of the order. Only need 1. maybe Big Lutz can hit a walkoff HR!

  85. JEFFMO

    This is where Broxton & especially Chapman should be earning all that money they make. Instead of having them pitch the last two days, or even if they pitched one day, have them come in (especially Chapman)with two men on in the 8th and one out to face the heart of the Cubs order. Good pitching by Hoover in the top of 9th to get out of that jam. He should have been there from the start at the top of the 8th.

  86. RedForever

    We want more of the Choo we had about 3 weeks ago. Where did that Choo go?

  87. ToddAlmighty

    This umpire needs to be fired. Gives a warning to both teams, Hanigan almost gets pegged in the chest and nothing happens. Choo DOES get hit, and still nothing happens.

    • ToddAlmighty

      @ToddAlmighty: Yet you know if a Reds pitcher came even close to hitting a Cub’s batter, he’d have been ejected.

      • BenL

        @ToddAlmighty: I disagree. The ump made a mistake by making the warning. I’m glad he’s not making it worse by ejecting people for no reason.

  88. RedForever

    Phillips is due. This would be a great time to continue his hitting streak.

  89. 90reds

    wait you can use your closer in that situation? We should try that sometimes

    • ToddAlmighty

      @90reds: Can’t use your closer three days in a row though. That’d just be craziness. If only Chapman wasn’t expected to pitch three days in a row. If only he could like.. pitch.. sit for four whole days, and then pitch again.

      Shame there’s nowhere he could have done that.

  90. George Culver

    Oh no, Castillo can’t hurt you. Thanks to Jim Kelch for putting the hookie on Hoover. I knew as soon as he said that that it was gonna happen.

  91. RedForever

    This is another of those games that the Reds will look back on as a bad loss.

  92. Truman48

    Offense has been crappy today. Just 5 hits. Bullpen not very good, either.

    • wildwestLV

      @Truman48: @Truman48: At this point, you can just blame the offense. Garza’s long gone, and they have not done anything. Sure, Ondrusek (& Hoover) blew it, but a championship team should be able to out-bat the Chicago Cubs. Get Milton warmed up…

  93. George Culver

    Of course, it would have helped if Hoover could have thrown his curveball for a strike.

  94. ToddAlmighty

    Shame this game was even allowed to get to this point. Cueto went 7 innings, the game was 4-1.. this should have been a 8 1/2 inning game.

  95. RedForever

    Complete and utter collapse by the bullpen. This team needs bullpen help big time. There are a lot of teams in the big leagues that have better bullpens.

    • ToddAlmighty

      @RedForever: That’s because there are a lot of managers in the big leagues that aren’t in love with Ondrusek and Parra.

    • George Culver

      @RedForever: I put more blame upon the management of the bullpen. As mentioned before, did Chapman need to protect 3 run leads 2 days in a row and be unavailable? Would he even be used in a pressure situation?

  96. msanmoore

    It’s up to Bruce and Frazier now … JJ just couldn’t buy a strike on the weaker part of the lineup.

  97. pinson343

    Walking Hairston, batting .138, was a big mistake.

  98. eric nyc

    These are the games you remember in September…

  99. RedForever

    Lord help us. Hannahan on deck. Ball game!

    • eric nyc

      @RedForever: Our bench is garbage. Who would you prefer? And don’t say Mesoraco because we all know that ain’t happening.

  100. RedForever

    They need to dump Hannahan. He sucks.

    • eric nyc

      @RedForever: Hannahan is batting .278 off the bench and plays a VERY good 3rd base. What’s with all the hate?

  101. EastCoastVibes

    Anybody have an accurate number of how many games this pathetic exuse of a manager has single-handedly blown this year?

    • mlb

      @EastCoastVibes: I don’t think we can say he single-handedly lost this one. Made some bad decisions yes, but it was a team effort losing today. Plus, we haven’t even lost quite yet.

      • EastCoastVibes

        Up 3 runs in the 8th inning and bring in you’re worst relievers qualifies as single-handedly blowing a game due to friggin stupidity.

      • mlb

        @EastCoastVibes: except that every game that we bring in our best relievers while up 3 runs, we all complain that we’re using them in low-leverage situations.

      • ToddAlmighty

        @mlb: Nobody asked for the best, they just asked for not the worst. LeCure, Hoover, or Simon would have all done the job in the 8th.. you know, major league level pitchers. Not Ondrusek and Parra.

  102. ToddAlmighty

    Yep, there’s your opening. The Cubs have Cubbed. Now to make them pay for it!

  103. eric nyc

    Why do idiots bring beach balls to games?

    • YorktownRed

      @eric nyc:

      Probably stupid Cubs fans waiting for the Beach Boys concert.

      • Brian Van Hook

        @YorktownRed: Yeah, it ain’t like Cubs fans expect to win games … unless one is forced on them.

  104. RedForever

    Reds have Cubbed.
    Cubs have Redded.

  105. ToddAlmighty

    Any Reds pitcher put into the game in the 8th inning other than Ondrusek or Parra = Reds win…. Heck, Ondrusek pulled after he gave up 1 run in the 8th = Reds win.

    Dusty’s such a pro. What is that now, like 4 games this year he’s lost the Reds with horrible choices?

    • mlb

      @ToddAlmighty: and if we brought in Broxton and Chapman and the Cubs didn’t score, we would say that Dusty shouldn’t have used good pitchers in low-leverage situations.

      Should’ve got Ondrusek out of there sooner, perhaps, but I think this one is as much or more on the offense not being able to score late.

      • ToddAlmighty

        @mlb: Never asked for Broxton or Chapman. I just asked for not-Ondrusek or not-Parra.

        LeCure has pitched 2 innings in the last 9 days. Simon has pitched 2.1 innings in the last 16 days. Hoover pitched .2 innings in the last 10 days until he got into today’s game when the lead was already blown.

      • mlb

        @ToddAlmighty: yea… I don’t disagree… I would have gone with one of those pitchers as well. Or had one of them warming up to start the 8th.

        I just don’t think this loss was ALL Dusty’s fault. Blame to go around today.

      • ToddAlmighty

        @mlb: The offense scored 4 runs. It was 4-1 after 7 innings. The offense did enough to win.

      • mlb

        @ToddAlmighty: We only had 5 hits; and only 1 hit against the pitiful Cubs bullpen over 5 innings.

        We can agree to disagree though. Overall, a disappointing game.

  106. wildwestLV

    Today was ALL a team effort. From Dusty, to Ondrusek, to the lineup. Everybody contributed. Team effort. TEAM EFFORT.

  107. mlb

    I have to say, for whatever reason, this team always seems to be very streaky on offense. I sure hope we’re not going into an offensive slump with one of the tougher parts of our schedule coming up here.

  108. wildwestLV

    It’s a 162 game season. Wins in May don’t matter. At all. Pirates took care of business against the Brewers (5-4). Cardinals up 3-2 against the Dodgers. But it’s a 162 game season. We can easily give up wins against the likes of the Cubs. No big deal here.

    • CharlotteNCRedsFan

      @wildwestLV: Basically that is Dusty’s approach, stay close until after ASB and then go for it. Hope it works but it sends a crappy message to the fans and the team, IMO.

    • DavidMooreWV

      It’s a 162 game season. Wins in May don’t matter. At all. Pirates took care of business against the Brewers (5-4). Cardinals up 3-2 against the Dodgers. But it’s a 162 game season. We can easily give up wins against the likes of the Cubs. No big deal here.

      I’ve never understood this line of thinking. Wins are wins are wins.. I don’t care if the wins are in May or September. I know it’s a 162 game season, but win #40 counts just as much as win #100…

  109. ajswartz888

    Gave one away to the Cubs and the Cardinals are beating Kershaw and the Pirates already won. Ouch

  110. msanmoore

    It stinks, but you really can’t win them all. I hope we can channel our “inner beast” for the next 4 games against a much better Indians club. 2 home, 2 in Cleveland … should be interesting to say the least.

  111. wildwestLV

    Maybe the Reds needed to get spanked before the Tribe comes into town. A real team is coming in to play. Hope everyone gets their sleep. (Dusty, a real MLB manager is also coming in to manage).

  112. bp1821

    I think we have found our trade need (that would be the bullpen for those who didn’t watch today).

  113. wildwestLV

    Does anybody know what Arredondo was suspended for?

    • mlb

      @wildwestLV: I was wondering that myself; the Enquirer didn’t really say, other than violating a team rule or something like that. Whatever it was, it must have been serious, because it sounded like they were planning to hold him out for 10 or 15 games.

    • mlb

      @wildwestLV: scratch that, I guess I remember the Enquirer article poorly, online articles are saying it will be a short suspension

  114. RedForever

    Thank you Logan ondrusek for ruining a perfectly good Sunday afternoon! Really?

  115. Hank Aarons Teammate

    The Reds simply do not need bullpen help. They need a manager who is able to rank his relievers from best to worst. Logan Ondrusek and Broxton are the two worst, yet Baker uses them as if they are #2 and #3, after Chapman. It is just ridiculous.

    If he brings in Hoover there, and they lose a 3 run lead, I’d be fine. A 3 run lead in the top of the 8th, with the top of the order up after a pinch hitter, is NOT a low leverage situation. It’s not extremely high, but it’s high enough that Logan Ondrusek shouldn’t be pitching.

    Sam Lecure barely pitches, and he’s very good. Simon is way better than Ondrusek. So is Hoover. I’ve been saying this every single game, and Baker continues to use the #2, 3, and 4 relievers as the number 4, 5, and 6 relievers. It’s just inept.

    • Mutaman

      @Hank Aarons Teammate:

      Its clear that Sam has physical problems which limit his availability. The failure to recognize this fact renders any critique of Baker’s/Price’s bullpen management meaningless.

      • Hank Aarons Teammate

        @Mutaman: What problems? Nice response, simply asserting something that’s never been reported. Are you stating that he cannot pitch on back to back days? If so, where did you read this? Hear this?

        Even if Lecure is not available, I’d love to hear why Broxton and Ondrusek pitch the most important innings when they aren’t good.

  116. eric nyc

    I feel the need to (sort of) defend Dusty (*duck*) but I’m going to wait for the game recap.

    • Hank Aarons Teammate

      @eric nyc: Do me a favor, before you defend Dusty, read his quotes from today, which include a passionate defense of the save rule being “protecting a 3 run lead in the 9th inning”, which he says is harder than you think. Of course, 97.5% of games are won with such a lead. So I guess a guy deserves a save for that tough duty.

  117. wildwestLV

    Call the offense out for what it is. They had their ups and downs last year. The big difference is, I never experienced the abject f-e-a-r that I do this year, whenever the game is turned over to the Reds’ bullpen. That includes Broxton & Chapman. Maybe that will change. I don’t know. But I never felt like this last season. I cannot imagine I’m alone, though, in that regard.

    • Love4Reds

      @wildwestLV:

      It definitely felt like last year if the starting pitcher handed over the game to the Bullpen with a lead for 7-8-9 .. the Reds won the game. That has clearly not been the case this year. I’d love a comparison from this year to last year of what percentage of games lost were lost because of the bullpen.

  118. wildwestLV

    “I had to turn it to some other guys, we all have a job to do and that one got away,” Reds manager Dusty Baker said.

    “They’d gone two days in a row. It’s too early for that. We’ve got 10 days where we go in a row (without an off day),” Baker said. “I try not to go — especially with those guys, more than two days in a row.”

    “What you going to do? If the guy gets in trouble, you’re going to bring him in anyway,” Baker said. “You don’t want to bring him in if the guy’s in trouble. It’s easy for you guys to say you should do this or you can do that, but if you don’t bring him in. This is how he makes his money, closers have done it since the beginning of time. If you want to change the rules, you can. … A three-run lead is no guarantee.”

  119. wildwestLV

    And if the situation doesn’t warrant it, over the next 4 against the Tribe, or the next 3 against the Bucs, you won’t see Broxton or Chapman at all for the next week.