We’ve reached the middle of September, and the Reds are clinging to a six-game lead in the National League Central. Homer Bailey will take the hill tonight to face Joe Saunders and the Diamondbacks, and the Reds will be seeking to reduce that magic number even further.

Here’s tonight’s lineup, submitted without comment:

Brandon Phillips 2b
Orlando Cabrera ss
Joey Votto 1b
Jonny Gomes lf
Miguel Cairo 3b
Drew Stubbs cf
Willie Bloomquist rf
Ryan Hanigan c
Homer Bailey p

Here’s your game preview. Go Redlegs.

228 Responses

  1. mike

    I read an shocking number today which I haven’t had time to look up

    Cueto is having a great year and is 12-5
    Someone wrote that he’s had 6 saves blown by the bullpen which is second most in the NL.

    He’s allowed more than 4 ER only 4 times this season and more than 5 only 1 time which was a 9-8 win.

    I see we have a playoff lineup tonight with Cabrera, Gomes, Cairo and Bloomquist.

  2. AndyS

    Chad, love the site and you do a great job, but I have to correct you. The lead’s still seven games.

  3. Dave Lowenthal

    “I could tell something was wrong (with Rolen) from the funky swings he was taking, especially the way that one hand came off the bat,” Baker said. “When he gets real, real, real quiet, I’ve come to learn something ain’t right.

    Hey Dusty—have you noticed that Phillips can’t swing either?

  4. mike

    @Dave Lowenthal: He has and was quoted as saying he was going to give him a day off but saw one good AB so decided not to rest him 🙂

  5. dn4192

    I love this lineup. I see big things happening with this lineup tonight. I am going on record right now we are looking at a 13-16 hit night with a run total of 9-11. I think we all need to understand that Dusty knows what he is doing since we are where we are do to him. This lineup is golden… 😀

  6. LVW

    This will pick up everyone’s spirits- Bloomquist is 0 for 11 vs Saunders.

  7. dn4192

    @LVW:

    That was in the AL, he is now in a hitters park and playing on the future WC of baseball, this man is a stud and will lead this team to victory tonight…or so I have been told.

  8. Dave Lowenthal

    It’s a good thing Bloomquist can’t play in the postseason.

  9. mike

    just realized that all the AL races are essentially over. I don’t follow the AL so didn’t realize there is nothing exciting over there for the remainder of the season unless you are concerned with who will win the East
    Minnesota, Texas, NYY and TB it is

    that’s the 2nd, 12th, 4th and 6th best offenses in baseball

  10. mike

    @mike: by the way the Reds have the 5th best offense based on True Runs and 3rd best offense based on wOBA

  11. RC

    Hey, Homer Bailey’s a redneck!

    [ducking]

  12. jdarts

    Cabrera’s kicking the crap out of the ball.

  13. mike

    quiet around here today…looks like nobody is at the stadium either

    it also looks like it’s going to take them an hour to play the 1st 2 innings

  14. jdarts

    @dn4192: Sorry, but how many of your stupid predictions have been wrong? Last week you said the Reds were gonna fold and the Cards were going to eventually take the division. How’s that one working out?

  15. jdarts

    @mike: What’s up with that? Seems like the closer we get to the playoffs, the less interest we have on here and at the ballpark. I don’t get it.

  16. TheNatural

    @jdarts: I’m pretty sure his prediction was laced with sarcasm.

  17. jdarts

    @TheNatural: No, his St. Louis prediction last week was in no way laced with sarcasm. He argued back and forth wit quite a few of us on how it was a god possibility St. Louis would come back and take the division based on how the Reds were playing.

  18. RC

    GOOOOOOMMMMMMEEEESSSS!!!! He’s a defensive wizard!

  19. eastcoast redsfan

    Whats wrong with Bailey?

  20. jdarts

    Okay, well this is boring. Have a good night everybody and go Redlegs.

  21. mike

    @jdarts: If I knew the answer to “what’s up with that?” I’d probably be a marketer and rich. I will cut the fans a little slack, the race is basically over and it’s AZ who are one of the worst teams to watch but I don’t get it. A day or two ago there was even one of those apologetic press-releases turned into “news” story about how the last time the Reds won people also didn’t show up at the end of the season.

    One of the main reasons I’m watching is because I wanted to see how Bailey looked because I’m trying to figure out who the Reds playoff starters are going to be.

    Cueto and Arroyo are the only sure bets
    and I’m leaning towards Wood and Bailey instead of Leake or Harang

  22. RC

    Plus his fastball’s barely hitting 90, and the home plate ump’s about to toss him. Other than that, he seems fine…

  23. eastcoast redsfan

    Then need to pull Bailey

  24. mike

    119 combined pitches and we aren’t finished with the 3rd inning
    going to be a long night

  25. LVW

    LVW stat of the night:
    Including tonite Jose Bautista has 53 Hrs in his last 537 ABs and it took him 1731 ABs get his 1st 53 HRs and a total of 106 for his career.

    • mike

      LVW stat of the night:

      my stat of the night 🙂

      Mark Reynolds has 32 HR but is batting below .210
      Only 1 other player in major league history has hit 30 or more HR in a season while batting below .210 and he did it twice.
      Dave Kingman

      For kicks here is another stat I love
      Votto has over 100 RBI, over 30 HR and is batting over .320
      Only 3 other Reds in history have accomplished this.
      Foster in 77, Robinson in 61 & 62 and Klu

  26. Dave Lowenthal

    Is there a worse manager at figuring out when to pull his pitcher? Good lord. He’s not healthy (neck), and he can’t do anything, yet he’s left in to give up 3 runs. And he’s still in there.

    • Truman48

      Is there a worse manager at figuring out when to pull his pitcher?Good lord.He’s not healthy (neck), and he can’t do anything, yet he’s left in to give up 3 runs.And he’s still in there.

      What is wrong with his neck? Can anyone on this team stay healthy.

      I don’t always think the worst about Dusty. In fact I like him. However, is the plan here to send him about for another inning and completely give up the lead? He has already thrown 83 pitches and has walked 5 batters. He is not going to suddenly find his control tonight.

      Pull the plug. And if this team goes to form they will done scoring for the evening.

  27. Kyle

    Just got home. Can’t believe the lineup has produced 5 runs. Also, can’t believe Bailey has thrown 83 pitches in 3 innings. He is always on the verge disaster/breaking out.

  28. Kyle

    Ah, so is Bailey hurt?
    Would hate for it to be anything serious.

  29. RC

    Yes, and he’s probably changing his motion in some small way that’s put him on the DL again. Or something.

  30. eastcoast redsfan

    Hopefully Bray has another outing like the last one

  31. eastcoast redsfan

    This is faster than Dusty normally pulls a starter – be thankful for small miracles.

  32. Truman48

    Kudos to Dusty and bringing out the hook.

  33. eastcoast redsfan

    Hes only pitching one inning — kinda surprised

  34. LVW

    Cards had bases loaded 0 out and didn’t score; 0-0 after 2.

  35. eastcoast redsfan

    Kremchek is doing play by play on radio — he isnt that bad

  36. RC

    Dizziness? Man, what *isn’t* wrong with Homer tonight?

  37. TheNatural

    @Reds03: He was squinting awfully hard before every pitch. They also showed him in the dugout talking to the trainers, and it looked like he was motioning that he was seeing spots or stars in front of his face. Dizziness would make complete sense.

  38. RC

    Can we get Joe Morgan to work with Stubbs this offseason?

  39. vermilion red

    Man, the Reds are running toward the finish line like they’re in a three-legged race. With dizziness.
    I watch the games on Gameday usually, and it sure did seem that Homer got squeezed pretty good. For those watching, was that the case?

  40. Redgoggles

    Maloney + middle of order = scary.

  41. Truman48

    And the Reds bats again go silent after an early barrage. 🙁 But the relief core has been fantastic. 😀

  42. LVW

    The burning question is………..will we see Masset or AC starting the 8th?

    • bho52

      I say Chapmania time in the 8th

      I agree. It’s Missile time

  43. Matt

    Bailey did tonight what Cueto use to do a lot, which is driving low towards the plate pitch after pitch WHILE working at a steady to brisk pace. And when Bailey would start working into a rhythmn his motion wouldn’t let him slow things down. This is why Arroyo has maintained poise and consistency over the years. Pace and location are everything. Bailey walked 5 but also fanned 5.

  44. Jason in Toronto

    four straight balls, let’s go this inning, boys!

  45. bho52

    Bruce’s side doesn’t look like its feeling too good in this AB

  46. Truman48

    Interesting. Bruce pinch-hitting against the lefty.

  47. Jason in Toronto

    That’s Dusty, playing the percentages… 🙁

  48. eastcoast redsfan

    Brandon must have borrowed Gomes’s bat

    • Y-City Jim

      Give Brandon a rest, please!

      Seriously. Dusty keeps running him out there and Janish hasn’t played at all this series after performing so well replacing Cabrera. I understand playing Cabrera’s hot bat but there are plenty of other places to plug in Janish.

  49. Reds03

    BP has hit the ball well tonight, just at guys though.

  50. BJ Ruble

    I’m not a big proponent of giving guys “mental” days, but man, Phillips needs a couple games off. He isn’t doing himself or the team any good right now.

  51. BJ Ruble

    The only bad thing about giving a rest day or two to BP, just means more Willie BQ!

  52. Truman48

    Okay. Great. Let’s throw Chapman in the ninth too.

  53. Truman48

    Only 2 Earned Runs against a pitcher with an ERA of 4.70. Feel free to get a couple in the 8th, Reds.

  54. vermilion red

    I’ll play manager, leave Chapman in the ninth with Drew and Johnson leading off.

  55. LVW

    This is gonna be close. I took Arizona at + 1.5 tonite

  56. TheNatural

    I thought the radar gun might be off tonight.

  57. Redgoggles

    Another run or 4 would be nice. {hedgeCoCo}

    • LVW

      @Reds03:

      OC with another good game.

      All he does in September is hit; he hit in 2009, he hit in 2008 and he’s hitting in 2010.

      • Y-City Jim

        @Reds03:All he does in September is hit; he hit in 2009, he hit in 2008 and he’s hitting in 2010.

        Resting the entire month of August had to help him.

  58. Reds03

    @LVW: I believe I made that point in early August and got ripped for it.

    • LVW

      @Reds03:

      @LVW: I believe I made that point in early August and got ripped for it.

      Not by me.

  59. vermilion red

    Joey Votto’s at bat was most valuable.

  60. Chris Garber

    @BJ Ruble: Agree. BP needs to take the weekend off. Maybe take a trip on one of the riverboats.

    • Y-City Jim

      3 run HR Tyler Colvin 4-2 Cubs!

      Excellent!!!

  61. eastcoast redsfan

    Nice 5 minutes here … Reds and Cubs both score

    • Y-City Jim

      5-2 cubs

      Carpenter getting pounded. Excellent!

  62. Truman48

    Cabrera has been fantastic since he has returned.

  63. pinson343

    3 run save opportunity for CoCo. I would get Rhodes ready, just in case.
    Bunch of lefties coming up.

  64. LVW

    I think my players are 0 for 100 with the bases loaded this year. 🙁

  65. eastcoast redsfan

    I hope someone is warming up in the bullpen

  66. jdarts

    Why not just let Chapman pitch 2 innings? I can’t take anymore Coco.

  67. jdarts

    I seriously can’t take it anymore.

  68. Truman48

    Everyone find a happy place. 😥

  69. Truman48

    Once again with the outside stuff. Why doesn’t he ever get into anyone’s kitchen?

  70. jdarts

    Via Twitter

    Cardinals pitcher Chris Carpenter just left tonight’s game with some kind of arm injury. Can’t speculate, but gut feeling, it looks bad.

    • jdarts

      Via TwitterCardinals pitcher Chris Carpenter just left tonight’s game with some kind of arm injury. Can’t speculate, but gut feeling, it looks bad.

      Cueto must have kicked him again. 😉

      • Y-City Jim

        Cueto must have kicked him again.

        I’m sure Larussa will blame it on that.

  71. Y-City Jim

    How many pitches has this clown thrown so far this inning?

  72. Truman48

    What happened for those of us who couldn’t see it?

  73. TheNatural

    I think Bruce’s abdomen is feelin’ just fine 😯

  74. eastcoast redsfan

    They HAVE to do something about Cordero

    • Y-City Jim

      They HAVE to do something about Cordero

      He is absolute toast.

    • Truman48

      They HAVE to do something about Cordero

      I could not agree more. I can’t understand, though, how a man with a 95 mph fastball could possibly be as BAD as he is.

      I know. I know. Only 1 effective pitch and everything on the outside corner.

  75. jdarts

    @Truman48: Game saving catch at the wall by Bruce. Laroche had a sure 2 run HR robbed that would have tied it.

    • Truman48

      @Truman48: Game saving catch at the wall by Bruce.Laroche had a sure 2 run HR robbed that would have tied it.

      Thanks, Jdarts.

      Where did Kate Smith go? She might bring back some good karma.

  76. Dave Lowenthal

    Steve? Where are you? You still against changing closers in Sep?

    I mean, what if Chapman can’t do the job—for example, what if he allows 2 hits and forces Bruce to leap over the wall to save the game?

    It’s really getting old.

    • jdarts

      Steve? Where are you?You still against changing closers in Sep?I mean, what if Chapman can’t do the job—for example, what if he allows 2 hits and forces Bruce to leap over the wall to save the game?It’s really getting old.

      I’m with you on Cordero and I didn’t think I would be. They can’t continue to hand the ball to him and expect different results at this point.

  77. RC

    Bruce robbed whoever the heck that was of a HR in the RF corner.

  78. vermilion red

    NOT AN ISSUE! Outside fastballs to the rescue.

    • Y-City Jim

      And Cordero gets the “save”.

      How many of his “saves” were near blown saves?

  79. earl

    I pretty much saw Cordero was going to pitch the ninth and figured, as I can’t take another one being that I think I have set through most of the really bad ones except Atlanta, so I went and took a shower.

    I’m really glad the good guys came through.

  80. pinson343

    Watching on GameDay, I couldn’t see Bruce’s catch. Looking forward to seeing the video.

    CoCo can’t get lefties out at all.

    An adjustment has to be made, but Dusty won’t do it. If they don’t want to rush Chapman into the closer role, then fine, let CoCo/Rhodes be co-closers, where CoCO faces righties and Rhodes lefties. Rhodes would have gotten thru that bunch of lefties easily.

    But Dusty won’t do it.

  81. jdarts

    @Truman48: I had to retire her. Even I was getting queazy having to look at her in every one of my posts. 😉

  82. Y-City Jim

    I count at least four near blown saves by Cordero this season.

    • bho52

      I count at least four near blown saves by Cordero this season.

      He has only had 8 1-2-3 innings I think, and does his best work in non-save situations

  83. Truman48

    Who wants to update the magic number?

    • Y-City Jim

      Who wants to update the magic number?

      Nine, isn’t it?

      • Y-City Jim

        Nine, isn’t it?

        Guess it is ten pending the Cardinals loss.

      • jdarts

        Guess it is ten pending the Cardinals loss.

        It’s 11 if the Cardinals win, 10 if the Cardinals lose.

  84. Reds03

    That’s a routine fly ball in every other park.

  85. jdarts

    On the bright side, how about OC? Man is flat out raking right now.

  86. pinson343

    @Truman48: Hanigan called an inside fastball against LaRoche for strike 2. That was a good idea. But then they went inside again and, oops.

    Even Ryan can’t help Cordero at this point.

  87. BJ Ruble

    This is a case that proves that “saves” are a meaningless stat! I think Jay Bruce should get the “save” on this game, not Coco.

    • jdarts

      This is a case that proves that “saves” are a meaningless stat!I think Jay Bruce should get the “save” on this game, not Coco.

      That’s an understatement.

  88. jdarts

    @Truman48: It’s gonna be 10 in about half an hour, assuming the Cubbies hold on.

  89. Truman48

    Mateo on in relief for the Cubs doing his best to blow the lead.

  90. pinson343

    @Reds03: Good point. I’m trying to be optimistic, and view the last out as a not so long fly ball on a good inside pitch. (That is, LaRoche didn’t get all of it.)

    I’ll have to see the video before I can judge.

  91. Dave Lowenthal

    @Reds03: Naturally, Cordero can do no wrong. Correct?

    It wasn’t a blast or anything, but that isn’t the point. He’s not the best relief pitcher on the team…by a long shot.

  92. earl

    Big lead or not, I’m hoping the Reds can get it straight, as I’m still a bit spooked on having those six games with the Astros. Houston has been playing pretty well since the last time Cincy popped them a couple of months ago. Thats old school NL West and they have been a thorn on and off for decades.

  93. Kyle

    Rasmus K’s. 5-3 going into the 8th.

  94. pinson343

    @earl: The Astros have played very well in the 2nd half.
    And we have 3 in San Diego.

  95. Reds03

    @Dave Lowenthal: I’d agree he isn’t the best reliever on the team, but he’s the best option as the closer that they have. He made some good pitches tonight and did his job.

  96. eastcoast redsfan

    Im glad Oswalt isnt still there.

    • pinson343

      Im glad Oswalt isnt still there.

      Right on. And Berkman. And for that matter, Bagwell and Biggio.

  97. LVW

    Someone mentioned Wilson Betemit in this thread. Believe it or not he has a .931 OPS for KC in 227 ABs this year and hit a GS tonite.

  98. renbutler

    I’ve been one of Cordero’s defenders, but now his problems are beginning to be a concern. I know some of you think he can do no right and probably think I’m nuts, but his game log backs me up — he’s had several long stretches of solid appearances, including a very long stretch after the all-star break.

    But the closer is one spot where people don’t seem to tolerate a slump. If you ask me, Phillips’ slump is far more bothersome, because he hurts the Reds EVERY NIGHT.

    The bright side about Cordero is that he’s slumping now instead of in October. We are going to need him in the playoffs, and I’m confident he will get back in good form by then.

  99. BJ Ruble

    @Reds03: I have to disagree on this one…having the RF rob a guy from tying the game is not doing your job. If you make 12 mil per year and have a 3 run lead with nobody on base, you shouldn’t have to rely on that. I could understand with a 1 run lead or something like that. It’s not like he made one bad pitch, he gave up multiple hits.

    I understand he isn’t going to be perfect every game, but once in a while it would be nice not to have on multiple baserunners.

  100. pinson343

    @Dave Lowenthal: Right now he’s arguably the worst reliever on the team.
    He can only get righties out, and even there, McCutcheon punished him this past weekend.

    McCutcheon said after his game winning hit on Sunday that it was easy to recognize Cordero’s slider, as soon as it came out of his hand.

  101. earl

    SD is kind of gripping and I don’t have any feeling either way about them. Hopefully with 16 pitcher we can withstand the yearly 18 inning game. I think it is the ghosts of Jose Cruz, Dickie Thon and Mike Scott that are bugging me. Thank god they are not going to have to play in the Astrodome. That was a place where may a Reds playoff hope went to die.

  102. Dave Lowenthal

    @Reds03: Let me be clear then. The idea that he’s the best closer on this team is absolutely ridiculous.

  103. Reds03

    @BJ Ruble: I see your point, but I still believe he’s going to be fine in the playoffs.

  104. Dave Lowenthal

    @renbutler: I agree that Phillips slump is probably more serious.

    But your faith in Cordero…well, you know what I think. And it’s got nothing to do with a “slump”. Look at his season numbers.

    • renbutler

      @renbutler: I agree that Phillips slump is probably more serious.But your faith in Cordero…well, you know what I think.And it’s got nothing to do with a “slump”.Look at his season numbers.

      I look at his season numbers repeatedly, looking for the problems that people have with him. Every time I come away feeling that he is very, very underrated.

      Is Cordero the best closer in the league? No way. Is he a major liability on this team? No, not that either. Does he get the job done far more than he fails? Absolutely. Does he make it more interesting than we want? Sure.

      Cordero has had several long stretches of good games, and to deny that is to be dishonest with oneself.

  105. Ethan D

    Good question on Reds live right now. Who are your starters for the playoffs? If it were me, I’d go Cueto, Arroyo, and Volquez if he stays solid through the end of the year. Or Cueto, Arroyo, Wood if the Reds play the Phillies.

  106. BJ Ruble

    @renbutler: He has had a couple of very nice stretches, but he hasn’t been on par with his past few years. He is afraid to throw inside and his slider is not doing him any favors right now. Basically he is only a fastball on the outside corner guy, and if ML hitters know that’s coming, it’s not that terribly hard to hit.

    I agree on the BP statement 100%.

  107. pinson343

    @renbutler: BP should have been given a day off long ago. Before the game Tuesday Dusty said that he’d planned on giving him the day off, but changed his mind because BP hit a line drive on his final AB on Monday nite. That’s just plain dumb.

  108. Dave Lowenthal

    @Reds03: Why do I have to keep saying it? I’ve said it many times before—you surely disagree—but Chapman would be, oh, say, 5 times better, and Masset would be better also.

    Yes, I know, you can’t trust a guy who throw 100+ MPH if he only has 10 innings or whatever, even though the Rays found a way to trust Price in 2008.

    I’m still laughing about the Mark Sheldon comment, “Sure he throws 103 MPH, but do you really want a guy with little experience closing”, which is the equivalent of asking a middle aged man going through mid life crisis, “Sure, she’s 22 years old, beautiful, nice, smart, great personality, but do you really want to date her?” As if throwing 103 MPH is just a typical thing.

    • LVW

      @Dave Lowenthal:

      @Reds03: I’m still laughing about the Mark Sheldon comment, “Sure he throws 103 MPH, but do you really want a guy with little experience closing”, which is the equivalent of asking a middle aged man going through mid life crisis, “Sure, she’s 22 years old, beautiful, nice, smart, great personality, but do you really want to date her?”As if throwing 103 MPH is just a typical thing.

      Only if he’s currently dating her 23 closest friends also.

    • Steve

      I’m still laughing about the Mark Sheldon comment, “Sure he throws 103 MPH, but do you really want a guy with little experience closing”, which is the equivalent of asking a middle aged man going through mid life crisis, “Sure, she’s 22 years old, beautiful, nice, smart, great personality, but do you really want to date her?” As if throwing 103 MPH is just a typical thing.

      That’s actually a pretty good analogy. In general, how do you feel about married guys in their mid-life crisis dating 22-year-olds? Seems great at the time, you go against the familiar for what seems new and exciting, only to find out in a short amount of time you’ve made a big mistake.

      Where have I been tonight? At the game.

      If Cordero continues to fail, and falls below where an average closer would be, I’m fine with trying someone else, although I’d go with Masset. My point the other night was that 8 blown saves out of over 40 attempts is around average.

  109. pinson343

    @earl: Not to mention that the Astos dominated us in more recent vintage. For a number of years, we’d hardly ever win a game in Houston.

    For the last couple of years, we’ve dominated them. But they’re playing better now, with improved pitching.

  110. pinson343

    @renbutler: As I’ve said, I’m trying to be optimistic about Cordero too. And he might have a good run in him at the right time. He’s certainly a gamer.

    But if you look at his career stats, comaring this sesaon with previous years, he’s clearly declined.

  111. Reds03

    @Dave Lowenthal: I agree with Sheldon, he’s too young to throw in there in the playoffs. Also, he has been in few pressure spots, 2 out of 3 times he has failed to get the guy out he was supposed to. Small sample size, but I’d rather have Masset than Chapman, and Cordero than Masset.

  112. Chad Dotson

    I’ve never seen a team that had a chance to make the playoffs quit like the Cardinals have.

    • Ethan D

      I’ve never seen a team that had a chance to make the playoffs quit like the Cardinals have.

      FSN Midwest reports that Jamie Garcia is being shut down for the season. THEY OFFICALLY GIVE UP. It reminds me when Robert E. Lee surrenders to end the Civil War. It’s like TLR and Albert coming to GABP and signing over the NLC.

  113. pinson343

    Ordinarily I wouldn’t be concerned about a BP slump, because he’s a streaky hitter. But this slump was set off by a nasty injury to his hand. His hand was apparently the size of a balloon for nearly a week. His health concerns me.

    Dusty should NOT be running him out there every day. Hopefully he gets a day off tomorrow.

  114. pinson343

    Something’s wrong in the house of Cards. (I’ll skip the obvious card joke.) LaRussa is usually a good motivator, not this time.

  115. BJ Ruble

    @Reds03: I disagree on that too, anybody who can make a defection in the way he did, even at a young age (not to mention all the prior international games he has played in) would be a determent in a closing situation.

    Cordero has proved himself over the years, but this year, it just isn’t there. If he can pitch like he did the second half of August, all will be well, but he has not been consistent at all at any point this season.

    Not to mention, most of the guys Chapman will face in the playoffs has not seen him live. That is a HUGE advantage. Of course, I believe that your best reliever should be used in the most important situation, wither it is in the 7, 8 or 9th inning.

  116. BJ Ruble

    @Chad Dotson: They have given up much like the Cubs did before Lou left for the season. But yes, for a contender to go in such a prolonged slump is bizarre to see.

  117. renbutler

    @Chad Dotson: I post them frequently, and they’re always ignored. Especially during his long stretches of good appearances.

    If you’re looking for 1-2-3s, that’s not what he does. But if you count a 1H or 1BB performance as a good job (which is totally reasonable), you will see it. And even when he TOYS with a blown save, as he does often, he still gets the job done in the end.

    • Chad Dotson

      I’m willing to believe you, renbutler. I’d just like to know what stats you are talking about.

      I don’t see many that look good compared to other closers.

  118. pinson343

    @Reds03: With Masset and Chapman, we’re set for the 7th and 8th innings. And often that’s when you face the toughest hitters.

    I’ve already said it, but for closing games out, I would have Rhodes ready to help in the 9th. Tonite, for example, he could have been put in to face LaRoche. Cordero is getting shelled by LHed hitters.

  119. vermilion red

    As always, interesting conversation.
    When the magic number hit 13, my mind went to Dave Conception. Then I thought of 12 and Nick Esasky, and had an epiphany. Our current manager is number 12 and named Baker; get it, Baker’s dozen. Am I the only Reds’ fan this slow, to not realize this fact. And yes, I know, a Baker’s dozen should be 13, but I prefer to think of them as the Reds’ pitching staff.
    So now the magic number stands at Barry Larkin and we’re looking at Sparky. Remember when Kurt Stillwell wore number 11 (I think) and Larkin wore 15? Any other 11s and 10s you remember?

  120. vermilion red

    Good Lord, Concepcion, not conception. It’s a magic number, not an immaculate number.

    • Chad Dotson

      Good Lord, Concepcion, not conception. It’s a magic number, not an immaculate number.

      That’s hilarious.

  121. LVW

    2 down Marmol in Rasmus batting as the tying run.

  122. LVW

    First Cubs sweep in St. Louis since June 10-12 1988.

  123. Ethan D

    121 Ks for Marmol in 69 innings. Insane

  124. pinson343

    @renbutler:
    Cordero used to get his share of 1-2-3s. He’s now more of a “hang tough” David Weathers kind of guy. WIth his stuff, that shouldn’t be the case.

    The hitters are anticipating what he’s going to throw – low outside fastball. I actually liked his approach to LaRoche tonite, going inside for called strike 2. That near HR was also inside, probably caught a little too much of the plate.

    When he was on a good streak recently, he was using his slider effectively. Now he seems to have given up on it. According to GameDay, he didn’t throw a single slider tonite (although it didn’t register the 2 balls to Chris Young, maybe those were outside sliders).

  125. pinson343

    @Ethan D: Robert E. Lee fought a lot harder (and smarter) than the Cards have.

  126. BJ Ruble

    @Steve: I wish I could fail at my job 18% of the time and be “average”. Fact is he hasn’t been that great this season. He needs to be taken out at the right times (see pinson’s idea for using Rhodes).

    • vermilion red

      @Steve: I wish I could fail at my job 18% of the time and be “average”. Fact is he hasn’t been that great this season. He needs to be taken out at the right times (see pinson’s idea for using Rhodes).

      There aren’t too many jobs at which a person is directly trying to prevent you from doing your job successfully, and carrying a wooden stick at the same time.

  127. vermilion red

    For all practical purposes, we are only 7 well-placed victories away from a World Series, where we have a 9-game winning streak. And the National League has home field advantage. And this team is set-up for long-term success with a super group of young starters. Lots of reasons to be happy to be a Reds’ fan.

  128. BJ Ruble

    @BJ Ruble: The quote that keeps standing out to me is the one of Andrew McCutchen stating that he KNOWS when the slider is coming…THAT my friends is a problem because that is his only pitch outside of a fastball.

  129. pinson343

    What’s good for Chapman in the long run has to be taken into account. He’s mentally tough with what he’s been through, but he’s young and to some degree vulnerable nonetheless. When he wasn’t pitching as well as expected in the minors, his having difficulty adjusting to life in the US was cited (and not surprising).

    Being “named closer” could get into his head. Cordero has no doubt befriended him, they look like a pair of brothers when I see them talking. Chapman would have mixed feelings about it.

    Price and Wainwright were both replacing injured closers, that’s a different story.

  130. Dave Lowenthal

    @renbutler: That’s hilarious…Cordero *under* rated.

    Point to one thing he does well, please. Note: his save percentage isn’t that good.

  131. Dave Lowenthal

    @Reds03: Wow, talk about cherry picking. Did you see exactly how he “didn’t get the job done”. For god’s sake, there hasn’t been a really hard hit ball off him in his time with the Reds.

  132. Dave Lowenthal

    @Chad Dotson: Maybe they just are playing terribly. I hate the use of the word “quit”. Because we can’t know what’s going on in their minds. Could they have quit? Yes, it’s certainly possible. But we can’t know.

  133. Dave Lowenthal

    @BJ Ruble: That’s fine, but Cordero should be used in the *least* important situation of the trio (Chapman, Masset, Cordero).

  134. Dave Lowenthal

    @pinson343: So don’t name him closer. Just bring him in with the one run lead, not Cordero. I can’t believe how many reasons people here come up with not to pitch Chapman over Cordero in a clutch situation. Why isn’t it just, who’s better? It’s gotta be patently obvious that Chapman is better. By a long ways.

  135. Dave Lowenthal

    @Steve: I’m not advocating for people to have affairs, of course. The rest of your post is, as it has been pertaining to Cordero, just way off the mark. And for Ren, who thinks Cordero is underrated, I ask, is there any team that would take Cordero off the Reds hands, if the Reds offered him for free? The answer: no. How can he be underrated?

  136. Dave Lowenthal

    @BJ Ruble: Fact is he’s not even average in save percentage, and he’s absolutely horrible in WHIP and K/BB. “Not that great” doesn’t really do it justice.

  137. Dave Lowenthal

    In any case, I hope we can be having the discussion during the postseason of who should come in to get a save!

    Anyways, with the Reds 8 games up with 16 to play, the Cards are done. *Now* I’d put the Reds chance to win the division at 99.9%.

  138. pinson343

    @Dave Lowenthal: I’ve never objected to using Chapman “situationally” with the game on the line. I certainly like it when we have him facing the other team’s best hitters.