Let’s recap tonight’s titanic struggle….

Final
Chicago 1
Cincinnati 7

WP: Cueto (12-4)
LP: Gorzellany (7-8)
Box Score

POSITIVES
–Bruuuuuuuuce! Jay Bruce hit leadoff tonight, and he responded with a great at-bat in the first inning to draw a walk. That was the lowlight of his night.

In his next three ABs — against three left-handers — Bruce went deep, his first three-homer game in the big leagues. Bruce drove in five runs on the night to tie a career high.

–Johnny Cueto was dealing tonight. Cueto went 8 innings, giving up one run on six hits. Cueto struck out 8 batters, yet didn’t give up a single base on balls. The kid looked like an ace tonight.

–Making his first start, in place of Brandon Phillips at second base, rookie Chris Valaika went 2-4 with his first big league homer. Exciting moment.

–Drew Stubbs had two doubles.

–Sam LeCure struck out two of the three hitters he faced in a perfect ninth inning.

NEGATIVES
–None.

NOT-SO-RANDOM THOUGHTS
–Now that’s the way to start a homestand. The Reds are now 11-3 against the stupid Cubs this season. More importantly, they are 10-3 since the St. Louis debacle a couple of weeks ago.

–Last Cincinnati leadoff hitter to hit three homers? Pete Rose on April 29, 1978.

–Believe!

Jay Bruce

74 Responses

  1. MrSaturdayNite

    “–Now that’s the way to start a road trip.” Cough! Cough! Home stand! Cough! :mrgreen:

    • jdarts

      “–Now that’s the way to start a road trip.” Cough! Cough! Home stand! Cough!

      That’s good stuff right there.

  2. Ethan D

    Who else wants to see Bruce leading off again tomorrow?

    Also, Cueto is an Ace.

  3. BJ Ruble

    Great games by Cueto, Bruce, Valaika, and Stubbs. I can’t wait for tomorrow!

  4. renbutler

    Sorry I missed this one! It’s always good to see the Reds rout the Cubs, even when the Cubs suuuuuuuck.

  5. Wil Payne

    Looks like Harang will take a start this week in the incredible rotation-within-the-rotation of pitching. Since we seem to be able to get a starter back off of an injury as soon as one goes down, I think it’s a blessing we may be without when we either release Harang or trade him.

    I’m thinking we can keep the team roaring through the roster expansion, which I’m really excited for. It’s a little tough for some of us to pick the best 25, but the best 40 is a solid bunch. If we can take 4 out of six before the next scary roadtrip, I’ll be ok with that. (Even though we should not lose any games for the rest of the month…)

    Anyone see the lineup changing for tomorrow? If Phillips comes back, will he slide into 2nd spot in hitting or will he and Bruce flip? Will it go back to our standard fare?

    • Ethan D

      Looks like Harang will take a start this week in the incredible rotation-within-the-rotation of pitching. Since we seem to be able to get a starter back off of an injury as soon as one goes down, I think it’s a blessing we may be without when we either release Harang or trade him.I’m thinking we can keep the team roaring through the roster expansion, which I’m really excited for. It’s a little tough for some of us to pick the best 25, but the best 40 is a solid bunch. If we can take 4 out of six before the next scary roadtrip, I’ll be ok with that. (Even though we should not lose any games for the rest of the month…)Anyone see the lineup changing for tomorrow? If Phillips comes back, will he slide into 2nd spot in hitting or will he and Bruce flip? Will it go back to our standard fare?

      I’d love to see Bruce in the leadoff and Phillips in the 2 for a little while longer.

      • mike

        I’d love to see Bruce in the leadoff and Phillips in the 2 for a little while longer.

        dreaming of some sort of lineup like

        Bruce
        Phillips
        Votto
        Rolen
        Heisey
        Hernandez/Hanigan
        Stubbs
        Janish

  6. OhioJim

    Anybody else notice that BP did not seem to be on the bench? Bet he was in the clubhouse receiving treatment on his hand.

    At the walk off he came out on the field but had his right hand buried very deeply in a jacket pocket. Probably to hide a very big wrap job. I’ll be surprised if we see him in action prior to late in the Milwaukee series.

    I don’t know what to make of Dusty’s statement that Harang might start on Monday (30 Aug). I hope it does not mean Bailey is sore or injured. Maybe they hope to get a good start out of Harang so they can flip him right ahead of the deadline to someone else who would want him to be playoff eligible for them.

  7. mike

    @Ethan D:

    can anyone even name the last Reds starter with at least 20 starts to have a winning % like Cueto’s?

    It’s sort of a trick question since the Reds were awful when it a W-L record like this was held by a Reds starter.
    Cueto is now 12-4 which is a wpct of 75%!

    the last Red to be near that was Volquez in 2008. He went 17-6 (74%)
    the last Red to have as good or better wpct?
    Browning in 88 at 18-5 (78%)

  8. mike

    Re: –Last Cincinnati leadoff hitter to hit three homers? Pete Rose on April 29, 1978.

    as far as I know the ONLY 2 Reds to hit 3 HR from the leadoff spot since 1920
    wonder if anyone did it before 1920….I highly doubt it since back then 10 HR could lead the league in HR

  9. mike

    If there is one negative over the last 2 months it’s
    what has happened to Gomes?

    since the all-star break he’s hit .225/.320/.333
    that’s Taveras/Patterson/Cabrera territory

  10. pinson343

    I remember the afternoon that Pete Rose hit 3 HRs at Shea. The Reds just massacred the Mets that day.

    The BRM lineup was still intact, but the Reds didn’t have as much pitching as the Dodgers. They were better than in ’77, with 92 wins.

  11. pinson343

    Now there’s a leadoff hitter for you, a 1.000 OBP without clogging up the bases.

    I’ve been unworried about Jay, expecting this surge. I hope the platoon talk is put to rest for good.

  12. pinson343

    Cueto did exactly what was needed tonite: re-establish order in the pitching staff and remind us that we do have an ace.

    I think of Cueto as our ace and Arroyo as our big game guy.

    We do need a 3rd starter we can count on.

  13. pinson343

    @mike: I didn’t see the game (on an airplane again), but was disappointed to see an 0-4 by Gomes. He looked good in SF, hitting some impressive blasts, and I hoped he was starting up one of his hot streaks.

  14. Jeff

    Great game by BRUCE!!!

    In other news, How about Chapman tonight, striking out the side while hitting 105 mph on the gun!! 😀
    Can’t wait to see this up soon, its going to be amazing seeing him throw fireballs! Sorry but I can’t help but be excited. It feels so good to say that while talking about our beloved Reds!

  15. pinson343

    Some say RLN never gives Dusty credit when he makes a good move. When Dusty screws up, I let him have it, so tonite I want to point out he was pulling all the right levers.

    Bruce batting leadoff, even though a lefty was pitching.
    Starting Valaika at second base.
    Sticking with Stubbs in CF. Stubbs is playing well recently. (Of course the injury to Edmonds helped with that decision.)

    Putting in the right guy, Sam LeCure, to end it quietly in the 9th. I was at the Tuesday nite 16-5 shellacking, and LeCure looked good in the 7th and the 8th.

  16. pinson343

    @mike: Yeh, I’ve been among those wanting to see Heisey in LF (against righties, anyway). And now with the inaction, Heisey is slumping.

    • OhioJim

      @pinson343: I just don’t understand why with Gomes in a long slump why Heisey doesn’t play more.

      @mike: Yeh, I’ve been among those wanting to see Heisey in LF (against righties, anyway). And now with the inaction, Heisey is slumping.

      I’ll try this explanation…. First off, no defense of Gomes. His problems are why Nix was playing more; and if Balentien were on the 40 man roster, I have little doubt he’d be up with the Reds right now and playing quite a bit.

      However, to the Heisey issue….. Heisey has had several chances as a starter and as a starter he has come up about as inept as Gomes of late on the offensive side; and some sensational plays aside, his defense as a starter has not been all that conistent. On the other hand when he comes in off the bench he has a knack for making positive game saving plays on both offense and defense.

      So, to follow a Dusty line of thinking, if you take Heisey away from bench role, you’ve weakened the team there without significantly improving it in the starting line up.

      Also is Heisey slumping or has the league just caught up with him? His extremely high hands and that very big, long swing he uses look like they leave some significant holes which teams are now finding with regularity. Until he finds a way to shorten and quicken his swing in certain circumstances, he will be easy prey for a decent pitcher.

      Did you catch the splits somebody posted here on Heisey a couple of days back? He is a real world beater versus the Pirates and very marginal against the rest of the league which underscores my thoughts above.

  17. pinson343

    @Jeff: I hope they’re bringing up Chapman before September 1, so the Reds at least have the option of putting him on the playoff roster.

    If they don’t, I imagine it’s because they’ve already decided they don’t want to expose him to playoff pressure this year. Rick Ankiel was never the same as a pitcher after his rookie year playoff meltdown, and that was after a full season of effective starting.

    • LVW

      @pinson343:

      @Jeff: I hope they’re bringing up Chapman before September 1, so the Reds at least have the option of putting him on the playoff roster.

      He can be called up on Sept 1 and be eligible for postseason since the Reds have a player on the 60 day DL.

  18. pinson343

    Nick Swisher made one of the worst throws home I’ve ever seen tonite.

    And Darnell McDonald made a great throw home against the Rays. What’s gotten into him ?

    Speaking of throws home, why does Jonny Gomes air mail every single one, never hitting the cutoff guy ?
    Why doesn’t Hatcher or Dusty or one of our veteran leader guys tell him that you don’t play the OF that way ?

  19. TC

    I had my doubts about the top of the lineup last night. But thank God I was wrong. I’m not sure Bruce is wise in the leadoff, but Jim Kelch said he changed his approach.Perhaps Jay should adobt this approach every game.

  20. MikeC

    The Chris Dickerson update from here in Milwaukee:
    2-4 last night. Chris’ last 3 starts he’s gone 2-3, 2-3, 2-4. That’s over a 6 game period. He’s 0-2 as a pinchhitter during that time. Just like with the Reds, he is having trouble getting off the bench.

  21. John D.

    I went to the Nationals/Cards game last night. There appeared to be at least as many Cards fans as Nats fans although I was sitting near the Cards’ dugout, so my sample may have been skewed. My Reds cap attracted some notice, but I think the out of town scoreboard kept the comments to a minimum. The game could have turned out differently if the Nats weren’t so incompetent. They loaded the bases three times without scoring. They committed two charged errors and two other horrible plays that were the equivalent of errors. Luckily, the Reds also play a bunch of bad teams down the stretch. The Cubs, for instance.

  22. Dave Lowenthal

    @John D.: And Adam Kennedy hit a game tying double in the 6th except that (maybe) it was one millimeter foul.

  23. Dave Lowenthal

    @OhioJim: I don’t like the “he is only good against the Pirates” line of reasoning. By that measure, why don’t we compute Stubbs’ stats vs Cubs and Pirates, and then his stats vs everyone else. He’s got half his homers vs those teams.

  24. Dave Lowenthal

    @TC: I don’t understand why Bruce wasn’t moved up in the lineup a long time ago, during his long slump.

    He’s certainly not going to be a leadoff hitter over his career or anything, but batting leadoff can change one’s approach.

    • LVW

      @Dave Lowenthal:

      @TC: I don’t understand why Bruce wasn’t moved up in the lineup a long time ago, during his long slump.He’s certainly not going to be a leadoff hitter over his career or anything, but batting leadoff can change one’s approach.

      I think it was more a case of the Cubs pitchers pitching to him like a leadoff man than Bruce taking the leadoff man type appraoch. Last night’s gem was all about execution.

  25. Dave Lowenthal

    @pinson343: You left off that Masset and Cordero needed another day off. Cueto rested the whole bullpen.

    If you consider Cueto the team’s ace, doesn’t it seem weird he’s not scheduled to pitch vs StL?

  26. pinson343

    @OhioJim: We’ve had this discussion before, but I think the more relevant spilts are Heisey’s hitting righties and not lefties. It’s not true that he’s failed lately when given the chance to play every day. The last time he was given the chance to play every day was the week he played 6 days in CF, and he played so well that many fans and experts thought he’d won the CF job away from Stubbs.

    Then came the Edmonds trade. Since then Heisey has only had an occasional start against lefties, a worst case scenario for him.
    Now Edmonds is injured, but with Stubbs playing better, that’s remained Heisey’s role, and I believe his current slump is the result.

    He should and needs to be able to hit lefties, I don’t understand what’s going on there.

  27. Dave Lowenthal

    Bruce now has a better OPS vs lefties than righties.

    He was stuck on 10 HR forever, now he has 16. And 5 of the last 6 against lefties. Bizarre.

  28. pinson343

    Looking ahead to the starting rotation against the Brewers and Cards, I’m a little concerned. Arroyo goes today and Volquez tomorrow. Wood will presumably pitch game 1 vs. the Brewers.
    Game 2 would be Bailey’s turn, but Dusty has said that Harang might pitch that day.

    This would not at all be about removing Homer from the rotation, as has been suggested. If anyone is removed from the rotation, it would be Volquez.

    The idea, in addition to getting Harang on the roster before September 1, would be to have a temporary 6 man rotation so Cueto and Arroyo could start he first two games against the Cards. I like this idea in that LaRussa is going to set up his best 3 to pitch against us so why shouldn’t we.

    But it’s also high risk. The Brewers hit well, Haranco might get blasted by them. The pitching matchups against them already don’t look good, adding Harang would make them worse. The Brewers can’t be taken lightly, they recently swept the Cardinals in St. Louis.

    Getting swept by the Brewers just before a tough road trip would be a huge downer. Plus the opening game against St, Louis is going to be emotional, with Cueto the target of a lot of hostility. Cueto has trouble controlling his emotions sometimes.

    • Truman48

      Looking ahead to the starting rotation against the Brewers and Cards, I’m a little concerned. Arroyo goes today and Volquez tomorrow. Wood will presumably pitch game 1 vs. the Brewers.
      Game 2 would be Bailey’s turn, but Dusty has said that Harang might pitch that day.
      This would not at all be about removing Homer from the rotation, as has been suggested. If anyone is removed from the rotation, it would be Volquez.
      The idea, in addition to getting Harang on the roster before September 1, would be to have a temporary 6 man rotation so Cueto and Arroyo could start he first two games against the Cards.I like this idea in that LaRussa is going to set up his best 3 to pitch against us so why shouldn’t we.But it’s also high risk. The Brewers hit well, Haranco might get blasted by them. The pitching matchups against them already don’t look good, adding Harang would make them worse. The Brewers can’t be taken lightly, they recently swept the Cardinals in St. Louis.Getting swept by the Brewers just beforea tough road trip would be a huge downer. Plus the opening game against St, Louis is going to be emotional, with Cueto the target ofa lot of hostility. Cueto has trouble controlling his emotions sometimes.

      Good points all. Hasn’t Harang been blitzed in this two starts at AAA? What makes anyone think he get major league hitters out? I understand getting Harang to the playoff roster, because it is probably the right thing to do. But he hasn’t been getting anyone out and it could cost the team. Volquez is scary also. I hope everything works out for the best. It has all season long.

      Believe.

  29. LVW

    @pinson343:
    You have to wonder what being robbed at gunpoint is going to do to Gallardo’s psyche.

  30. Greg Dafler

    I commented earlier in the week that the Reds are set up for Arroyo and Wood to pitch in the Cardinals series. The third pitcher could be Volquez, Bailey or Cueto.

    Volquez would pitch if everyone takes a normal turn.
    Bailey would go in the final game if they skip Volquez.
    Cueto would start the opener if they temporarily bring someone up to pitch Aug 31 or Sept 1 (Maloney or Harang could pitch Sept 1 when rosters expand.

    I suspect that the Cardinals will go to a 6-man rotation temporarily to push Garcia’s Sept 1 scheduled start to Friday against Cincinnati. That would line up Garcia, Wainwright, and Carpenter to pitch against the Reds.

  31. Wil Payne

    If we only win one game against St. Louis, let it be the utter destruction of Chris Carpenter in the third game. But I’ll take all 3…
    I’m worried about the fifth spot in our rotation. We have had this built-up depth in pitching around the break, and now guys are just playing poorly. I think Harang will be pressured to really show up for us. Dunno if he’ll crumble at or jump on the opportunity. The Brew Crew can spoil our season just as easily as they can spoil anyone else’s.

  32. shadow32

    Harang is awful. Awful, awful, awful, awful. There are at least five better choices, probably more, currently with the Reds (Lecure) or in AAA, AA, A, or the Hamilton Little League. Hell, bring up Maloney. Call in Arroyo’s grandma. I don’t care. Just NOT HARANG. PLEASE!

    If he pitches I hope he gets lit up, but my love for the rest of the team prohibits me from wishing for a loss. Something along the lines of 16-15 would be fine.

    One awesome thing about the game last night – Stubbs finally being aggressive and stealing bases. His speed is a weapon that hasn’t been used nearly enough, in my opinion.

  33. OhioJim

    @Dave Lowenthal: What you say is logical enough. It has been noted in many places both directly and indirectly via inference that this Reds team has gotten here it is via beating up on average and worse pitching better than just about anyone else while having enough pitching and defense to outlast those teams with weak pitching even if they normally hit reasonably well. If Stubbs, for instance, hits well against a couple of those teams really well and plays outstanding defense against the league at large, he is earning his keep.

  34. Dave Lowenthal

    @pinson343: I don’t understand what they are doing…if they try to push Cueto to game 1 of Cards then he’s got 6 days off. I don’t like that. I’d instead pitch him Wednesday but limit him to maybe 75 pitches, and then bring him back Sunday. Or, pitch him Tuesday 75 pitches and bring him back Sunday, if one wants 4 days rest before the Cards game.

  35. Dave Lowenthal

    @Truman48: I have not seen Harang’s rehab starts. Has anyone? He had 10K/2BB in 11 IP, which is good. But he gave up a bunch of hits. How is he actually throwing?

    • OhioJim

      @Truman48: I have not seen Harang’s rehab starts. Has anyone? He had 10K/2BB in 11 IP, which is good. But he gave up a bunch of hits. How is he actually throwing?

      Reports are he has been rocked in both games. Marty went out his way last Saturday to report that Kelch had texted him that Harang was being really rocked as that game was in progress with Kelch in attendance.

      • Truman48

        Reports are he has been rocked in both games. Marty went out his way last Saturday to report that Kelch had texted him that Harang was being really rocked as that game was in progress with Kelch in attendance.

        If this is true starting him really does not make any sense at all right now. Couldn’t they make him playoff eligible by simply pitching him an inning or two somewhere? I can’t really see the organization seeing him as a viable starting option all things considered.

  36. Dave Lowenthal

    @shadow32: Except Stubbs’ steal of 3rd was really stupid. 2-0 count to the #8 hitter, 0 outs. You are at least reasonably likely to get a walk and then you bunt ’em over. It really struck me as an unnecessary risk.

    • LVW

      @Dave Lowenthal:

      @shadow32: Except Stubbs’ steal of 3rd was really stupid.2-0 count to the #8 hitter, 0 outs.You are at least reasonably likely to get a walk and then you bunt ‘em over.It really struck me as an unnecessary risk.

      He did it because he knew he could get a good jump vs a lefty; if a righty had been pitching he wouldn’t have tried it.

  37. Truman48

    @shadow32:

    In regards to Stubbs’ speed, I believe it hasn’t been utilized because he is rarely (seemingly if ever) on first base in a logical base-stealing opportunity. He doesn’t hit well and a fair amount of his hits are of the extra-base variety which decrease his opportunity to steal. I believe Dusty and the coaches would use his speed if they would allow him by getting on first base more frequently.

  38. OhioJim

    I think Wood definitely needs to be one of the pitchers versus the Cards. Not only is he one of the Reds best three starters right now, he is a leftie; and, if you figure Pujols and Holiday anre going to get theirs regardless, it was the Cards left handed hitters that made the differences in the series when the Reds got swept.

    Looking back, it was Rasmus and Shumacher who hit the salamis and Jay was a pest in front of Pujols and Holiday the entire series.

    Bailey has matched up well against the Cards over the last two seasons. Because of the possible emotional distractions with Cueto, I could see using Homer instead of him in that series.

  39. BigRedMatt

    By the time we go to St.Louis, Baker ought to feel confident about going to Harang early in relief if that’s what the situation calls for. He should be on the roster sometime soon. But I don’t think they’d asked him to START more than one or maybe two (if any) other games the rest of the year. Nonetheless, the fact remains Aaron Harang WILL be counted on to fill some crucial innings, and probably sooner rather than later. I appreciate Harang and I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he went out and pitched a shut out before the year is over. He’s not a Hall of Famer, but he’s way more apart of this years franchise than most fans recognize. go redlegs!!

  40. pinson343

    Just looked at John Fay’s column. Volquez had been listed as the Sunday starter, but he’s been removed. That’s good.

    It’s still up in the air as to who would start on Tuesday, August 31rd. Dusty said that Harang is probable but they haven’t decided yet. Have no idea why they would go with Harang, with the way he’s pitched on rehab there are many better choices: Maloney, LeCure. For that matter, even Micah or Volquez.

  41. pinson343

    @Greg Dafler: I remember your comment from earlier this week. Now with Volquez getting skipped on Sunday and removed from the rotation indefinitely, the picture has changed somewhat.

    Just two observations at this point:
    1. Don’t put Harang in the starting rotation.

    2. Don’t mess with the rotation to make Cueto the starter in game 1 of the series with the Cards.
    Dave L. and I above, coming from different considerations, make points about this above.

  42. pinson343

    OhioJim: “if Balentien were on the 40 man roster, I have little doubt he’d be up with the Reds right now and playing quite a bit.”

    I just looked up Balentien’s stats vs. LHed pitching and since the All Star break. Wow. Find a spot on the 40 man and the 25 man and bring the guy up.

    • Truman48

      OhioJim: “if Balentien were on the 40 man roster, I have little doubt he’d be up with the Reds right now and playing quite a bit.”I just looked up Balentien’s stats vs. LHed pitching and since the All Star break.Wow. Find a spot on the 40 man and the 25 man and bring the guy up.

      Holy Cow! You guys aren’t kidding. His numbers in the second half are ridiculous! find a spot for him.

  43. Matt

    General Aaron Harang hating confounds me 🙄

  44. LVW

    Today- Arroyo(5 days rest)
    Tomorrow- Wood(4 days rest)
    Monday- Bailey(4 days rest)
    Tuesday-?????

  45. Reds03

    Call up my boy. I’ve been watching him with Milbtv and he’s been great.

  46. Dave Lowenthal

    @pinson343: I’m a stats guy, but this is a situation where scouts are important. How hard is Harang throwing? Etc. Those things matter.

    In terms of game 1 of StL, Cueto was terrible against the Dodgers on huge rest due to the suspension, which is why I am very hesitant if I’m the brass to throw him on 6 days rest.

    That said, they should have set it up earlier so that Cueto goes against Garcia, if possible…better than Cueto vs Wainwright…given that the Reds really are just going to need one, where the Cards may well need all three.

  47. Dave Lowenthal

    Hmmm, now that I think about it didn’t Cueto just pitch on 5 days rest this last start?

  48. Reds03

    @Dave Lowenthal: He wasn’t as bad as the numbers. His stuff actually wasn’t that bad. He threw some good breaking balls but also left a lot up in the zone.

  49. Dave Lowenthal

    Sheesh, it is clear now (to me, anyways) that it’ll be Arroyo/Wood/Bailey vs StL.
    Not optimal, but it could be worse.

    What will really irritate me is if they bring OC back for the StL series, which seems to be the general plan.

    This whole Volquez in the bullpen is stupid too. Why not give him starts, in AAA?

  50. dn4192

    I say don’t screw around with the pitching rotation at all, who cares whom we pitch against the Cards? As we saw, we got swept at home by them and it ment what? Have a set rotation and leave it alone, if it means we throw our worse 3 against the Cards so be it.

  51. dn4192

    @Dave Lowenthal:
    Couldn’t disagree more, I love the attack type of play, make the other team make plays to beat you.

  52. Dave Lowenthal

    @dn4192: Sure, go for third with no one out, steal with Votto up, etc. Smart types of plays.

    • dn4192

      @dn4192: Sure, go for third with no one out, steal with Votto up, etc. Smart types of plays.

      I guess alot has to do with how you view the playing of the game. You feel it is important that the Reds stack their pitching rotation for the Cards series, I don’t, it’s just 3 games. I would rather see us keep the rotation the same and just pitch whomever is up come those games. I want to see Stubbs steal and bunt more. I like we challenge the fielders and take an extra base. To me aggressive baseball is winning baseball.

  53. dn4192

    @Dave Lowenthal:

    Yes with who was pitching and how poor of a catcher they have and how fast Stubbs is you go for it. It’s not only smart it will work more times then not.

  54. pinson343

    I think we’ve got a consensus here, don’t mess with the rotation for the St. louis series. And that’s pretty much guaranteed by the Thursday off day. Cueto will pitch on Wednesday, they’re not going to push him all the way back to Friday.

    So it will be (as Dave L. said) Arroyo, Wood, and Bailey. And that’s fine with me.

  55. pinson343

    I didn’t see the Stubbs steal of 3rd. But if he had a really good jump and the catcher had no chance to throw him out (i.e., he stole off the pitcher), I have no problem with it.

    The general baserunning rule of course is don’t get thrown out trying for 3rd with 0 or 2 outs.

    So the rule about stealing 3rd with 0 or 2 outs is don’t go unless you’re sure you can make it. There are times when a runner is sure (in his judgment): when he knows he can get a very good jump off the pitcher and he has some speed.