Last week, I grabbed a memory card from my camera bag so I could take some photos at my son’s tee-ball game. Evidently, I hadn’t used that particular memory card in quite some time; when I went to remove the photos today, I found that I had some pictures on there from Opening Day 2008, including this shot of Francisco Cordero’s first pitch as a Red:

Francisco Cordero

7 Responses

  1. 18to88

    Can someone post a discussion about Coco’s value?

    At the time of the signing, some experts panned it as too much money for a luxury item. I know closers are fungible to an extent, but given how horrible the bullpen was at the time, and how having a terrible bullpen destroys a fanbase as fast as anything (save having a crazy manager), I thought it was a reasonable move that also hurt other teams in the division.

    So now we are in year three of Cordero (with what, 2 more to go)? His numbers have been solid, though not spectacular. Has he been worth the money or not? I tend to view him as part of the solution rather than part of the problem, but I’d love to have someone do a more cogent analysis of the situation than that.

    At the time, it felt like a move the team had to make. I’m not sure I feel any differently now, although if I had to choose between Cordero and getting Dunner back, I would rather have the 40 HR outfielder for roughly the same money (actually a little cheaper right?)

  2. RiverCity Redleg

    @18to88: I agree with you about the mindset of signing CoCo. I also feel it was a move we had to make. The previous two or three years to his arrival, the bullpen was a disaster. And since his arrival, the pen has been our strength. I know it hasn’t been all CoCo (how good has Rhodes been?) and, in isolation, his stats probably don’t justify his salary. But, for me, I’m happy they brought him in, and think it was worth overpaying a bit for him, given our circumstances at the time and what he’s done so far.

  3. Jared

    Reminds me of something (I think it was) Chad said in 2007, after all those games lost in the 8th inning. I don’t even remember the context, but he said “8th inning specialist (Reds style).” Couldn’t help but laugh.

  4. Jared

    Oh.. and I love the Red jersey’s the team was wearing yesterday. My favorite by far. It was also the first game I’ve been able to watch this year. Thank you, blackouts.

  5. pinson343

    Thanks for the photo, Chad.

    I agree with the above sentiments, that you can’t measure Coco’s value by looking at his stats in isolation. Before his arrival, for a couple of years Weathers was the MAN in the bullpen, and was even used for 5 out save attempts, we had nothing else.

    I used to read C. Trent’s blog back then, and we blew so many large leads in the 8th inning that it came to be known as “the inning that shall not be named.” Of course we blew a lot of leads in the 7th inning, too, and our share in the 9th inning.

    The bullpen is the one area that has significantly improved in the last couple of years, and Cordero has been the main element of the fix. People will argue that “closers are overrated” but they impact the rest of the bullpen. I agree with those who argue that the rigid use of a closer (9th inning only) is dumb but that’s a separate discussion.

    You can also argue that we could have fixed the problem more cheaply but that’s a speculation – we could at this point be still looking for the “cheaper solution” with that approach.

    Of course, if we had Dave Duncan as a pitching coach, he could turn a failed starter into a decent closer. If Duncan can be had for money, that would have been the move to make, and not just for the closer problem.

  6. 18to88

    Thanks for those numbers. Good thoughts.

    It seems like the general consensus is positive toward Cordero.

    That’s certainly how I feel about it, but I wanted to know how others felt.

  7. mike

    @18to88: I think Cordero has been excellent as a Red.

    But as always with a cheap team like the Reds you have to ask……can they afford to pay even a top notch reliever $12+ million dollars? Or better yet $36+ million on Harang, Arroyo and Cordero? I never like those types of conversations so I stick to performance 🙂 and Cordero has performed very well as a Red