Let’s recap tonight’s titanic struggle….

FINAL
New York (NL) 5
Cincinnati 4
WP: Feliciano (1-0)
LP: Cordero (1-2)
S: Rodriguez (4)
BOX SCORE

POSITIVES
–Joey Votto and Brandon Phillips were each 2-4 with a homer, and BP added a double.

–Down 4-2 in the eighth inning, Votto and Scott Rolen hit back to back homers. That was exciting.

–Carlos Fisher struck out the side in his one inning on the mound. Wait…what? Where did that come from?

NEGATIVES
–TOS*.

–Drew Stubbs is killing us. He went 0-4 in the leadoff spot again tonight, and his stats are now .184/.280/.299. That’s awful. That’s Willy Taveras awful.

–I love Francisco Cordero. He’s done a great job for the Reds during his time with the club. Nights like this kill me though, when he allows a long ball with the game on the line. Not good, CoCo.

–Why is Miguel Cairo on a major league roster?

ETC.
–Mediocre Bronson Arroyo showed up tonight: 7 innings, four runs on seven hits.

–There was some suggestion that Phillips should’ve been on third base on the double he hit. I didn’t see the play, but I wouldn’t be surprised if BP hot-dogged it out of the box and missed a chance to take an extra base. It wouldn’t be the first time.

–Rubber game tomorrow afternoon. I’d love to see Johnny Cueto show up and win this series for the good guys.

*This Offense Stinks.

29 Responses

  1. mike

    Miguel Cairo is this years 3rd catcher
    The Reds always seem to keep a player on the roster to save money. How many years in a row did we carry 3 catchers?

    I have to think if Sutton gets going in AAA it would be a good move to release Cairo and call up Sutton. The problem is Sutton’s not hitting in AAA

  2. mike

    something I’ve been thinking about for a couple days

    Where Gomes (127 OPS+) and Nix (98 OPS+) career years last year flukes?

    Will either one of them get going?

    Gomes maybe but he plays terrible defense

    Nix
    69 OPS+ pre-2009
    98 OPS+ 2009
    72 OPS+ 2010

    Gomes
    105 OPS+ pre-2009
    127 OPS+ 2009
    47 OPS+ 2010

    I have more faith Gomes will get it going but one of them needs to.

    but this brings up a much bigger question. Why not start Heisey every game? What have the Reds got to lose by doing that?

    free Heisey
    free Janish
    free Hanigan

    by the way…Heisey isn’t slow and his OBP before hitting AAA was good. Why not bat him leadoff at this point?

    How interesting would this be
    Heisey
    Hanigan
    Votto
    Rolen
    Bruce
    Phillips
    Janish

    Heisey can’t be worse that Stubbs has been can he?

  3. mike

    @mike: sorry that’s

    Heisey
    Hanigan
    Votto
    Rolen
    Bruce
    Phillips
    Stubbs
    Janish

  4. wanderinredsfan

    @mike: Heisey looked pretty bad at the plate last night. I’m not sure he needs the pressure of lead-off either. It’s unfortunate that the Reds have had to throw Stubbs into the fire, but there are no other options. I’d give Stubbs another few weeks to see if he gets it going before calling for a replacement. If he can’t seem to get it going, then perhaps Nix needs to get more playing time.

    Yet again, Dickerson misses his chance due to injury. Guy is one unlucky dude.

  5. mike

    only 1 team in baseball has a worse team OBP in the leadoff spot Atlanta

    Yup, the combined Reds leadoff hitters have an OBP of .254 and that’s before today. The NL average is .325

    13 teams in baseball have a team leadoff OBP of .350 or greater.

  6. pinson343

    Speaking of Dickerson, mlb.com said that not only that a fracture in his right wrist was set, but aalso that a lot of stuff (dead cartilage. etc.) was removed. I wonder how long that’s been a problem. CD was in a bad slump just before the injury, I wonder if the wrist was bothering him BEFORE he fractured it.

  7. pinson343

    I haven’t reviewed the game yet, and I only heard the good part on the radio (the bottom of the 8th). As Brantely said, how nice it would be if someone were on base before Votto’s HR. And how nice it would have been if someone were on base for Philipps’ HR.

    The leadoff guy is supposed to do better than a .280 OBP. A whole lot better. But I don’t have an alternative to suggest right now. Even in terms of Stubbs’ approach, you could say “Work the count and draws some walks” but when he tries to do that, he usually strikes out looking. So if they’re telling him to swing at the first pitch he thinks he can drive, I can’t argue with that.

    Who else on this roster could bat leadoff ? I don’t buy Heisey doing it.

  8. pinson343


    mike:

    Yup, the combined Reds leadoff hitters have an OBP of .254 and that’s before today. The NL average is .325
    13 teams in baseball have a team leadoff OBP of .350 or greater.

    Reply

    .250 OBP from the leadoff spot. Horrible, sounds historically bad.

  9. mike

    @pinson343: there is almost nobody else on the roster who could bat leadoff. The two options are Hanigan (Dusty wouldn’t do that in a million years) and Janish (hoping his hot hitting continues a little)

    The Phillips-Votto-Rolen-Bruce thing seems OK and set
    and right now Stubbs, while struggling and having a terrible OBP it’s still higher than Cabera, Nix, Gomes and Cairo and I would expect it to stay higher than them.

  10. mike

    @pinson343: well it would be historically bad but it’s got to get better right? Hell even in the Patterson/Taveras era it wasn’t that bad.

  11. Barnes

    mike, 100% agree.

    Hanigan
    Rolen
    Votto
    Bruce
    Phillips
    Heisey
    Stubbs
    Janish

    Agree that it will never happen and that it would serve the purpose of clogging and unclogging the bases in a manner that would put all kinds of crooked numbers on the board. Hanigan and Rolen get on, Vottomatic and BRUUUUUUUCE and company drive them home. The bottom of this order is fast, if they should get on, pitcher bunts them over, and the top of the order drives them in. And they can play D! It would be so great to see this.

  12. pinson343

    @mike: Right, Hanigan and Janish are the rational alternatives right now.

    @mike: Yep, it’s got to get better. The Patterson and Taveras situations were a lot more frustrating for me. At least now there’s the hope that Stubbs will get better.

  13. pinson343

    The Mets broadcaster, just after Reyes’ 1st inning RBI single: “Cabrera, once a Gold Glover in both leagues, does not have the range he used to. “

  14. mike

    hey…at least we aren’t 8-18

    oh right doesn’t matter at all if you are 8-18 or 13-14

  15. mike

    here is a strange thought

    Heisey could out product both Dickerson and Stubbs

    I did a little digging and found updated zips projections including the 1st month of the season. Here are all our OFers and how they project at the major league level including their current performance in the majors/minors for the 1st month. I’ve used OBP*1.8 + SLG

    1.171 Bruce, Jay
    1.103 Balentien, Wladimir
    1.086 Gomes, Jonny
    1.044 Heisey, Chris
    1.035 Dickerson, Chris
    1.032 Dorn, Daniel
    1.009 Frazier, Todd
    1.007 Nix, Laynce
    0.970 Stubbs, Drew

    lets see what does this mean to me……….hmmm
    release Nix
    call up Balentien
    send Stubbs down
    start Heisey in CF
    Balentien/Gomes platoon until Dickerson comes back
    Dorn becomes the 5th OF

    would those moves be bad?

  16. pinson343

    Sheldon and John Fay both have Phillips turning a triple into a double as the game headline. So does Dusty bench Phillips tomorrow ?

    Problem is, that would mean Cairo in the starting lineup. But now that he’s made the public statement, Dusty has to do something.

  17. mike

    after thinking about it more I think this is what I’m thinking

    Hernandez will still out product Hanigan on the season but is it worth the loss on defense

    Cabrera will still out product Janish on the season but is it worth the loss on defense

    Nix and Stubbs will get out produced by all the other Reds OF options.

  18. Jason1972

    I had awesome seats at the game, second row from the field directly across from first base. I have to say, Votto picked the ball last night. There must have been a half dozen outs to first base and Votto made solid defensive plays on several of them.

  19. Furniture City Red

    The lead-off position is a disaster, and has been for several years now.

    Going strictly by OBP Hanigan(.479) and Hernandez(..393) are the best options. If you want someone with more speed there’s Votto(.422). I’m not in favor of giving Votto less RBI opportunities, so that leaves a catcher as your best option at lead-off…….How sad is that?

    …Just for the record – Janosh’s OBP is over a 100 points higher than Cabrera’s…..But I guess that’s irrelevant since Janish can’t get in the line-up more than once a week.

  20. Furniture City Red

    @mike: Definitely in favor of sending Stubbs down for a while. Give Balentien a chance. As far as releasing Nix, I’d say if your gonna release anybody it should be Cairo.

  21. RiverCity Redleg

    I would even consider batting BP leadoff. He seems to have cut down on his strikeouts and he couldn’t be worse than what we’re doing.

    BP
    Rolen
    Votto
    Bruce
    Hanigan/Hernandez
    Gomes
    Cabrera/Janish
    Stubbs

  22. Jason461

    This is off topic a bit, but has anyone noticed how Valaika is tearing up AAA? He’s supposed to be a pretty good defender, too, right? I wonder if we’ll actually have a good shortstop next year (or, dare I hope, later this year).

  23. Chad Dotson


    Jason1972:

    I had awesome seats at the game, second row from the field directly across from first base. I have to say, Votto picked the ball last night. There must have been a half dozen outs to first base and Votto made solid defensive plays on several of them.

    This is a good point. Votto’s defense really appears to have improved, which shouldn’t be surprising, since he’s such a hard worker.

  24. Jason1972

    On a side note, I tried to engage as many players as I could. Ike Davis pretended not to hear as I told him to take his act back to AAA. Joey Votto and Jay Bruce surely appreciated my accolades for their hustle, although I didn’t get a glance.

    Billy Hatcher however, turned to listen to me as I yelled that he looked like he was in playing shape and he should ask Dusty to bat him lead off for the team. He made a ‘can’t hear’ gesture though, so I was kind of disappointed.

  25. pinson343


    RiverCity Redleg:

    I would even consider batting BP leadoff. He seems to have cut down on his strikeouts and he couldn’t be worse than what we’re doing.

    Reply

    Actually, I think that’s the best realistic option. By “realistic” I mean Dusty might even consider it, because BP has speed. BP’s OBP would be low for a leadoff hitter, but a lot better than what we’re doing now.

    There’s also the hope that as leadoff hitter BP would look at more pitches, but “not jolly likely.”

  26. pinson343


    Jason461:

    This is off topic a bit, but has anyone noticed how Valaika is tearing up AAA? He’s supposed to be a pretty good defender, too, right? I wonder if we’ll actually have a good shortstop next year (or, dare I hope, later this year).

    Reply

    I’ve read a number of times that Valaika is slated to play 2nd (or 3rd) base for the Reds, not SS.

  27. mike

    @Chad Dotson: I noticed a couple of those on the TV broadcast but I’ve noticed them all year with the exception of the 1st week of the season. The other thing I noticed is that his stretch to get throws from SS/3B is great and I swear his long stretch has gotten a few of the close plays.

    Reds fans….we have ourselves an allstar 1B