Which Bronson Arroyo will show up to pitch today’s game? Will it be Good Bronson or Bad Bronson? It probably won’t be this Bronson, but other than that, I’m not making any predictions.

Let’s get this out of the way: the Reds have looked pretty bad over the first two days in a lot of ways. Contrary to popular opinion, however, they have not actually been eliminated from playoff contention yet. There are still a few games left to be played, so the Reds can climb back into this race.

Here’s hoping that climb begins this afternoon. Ignore your work or your school or whatever you usually do in the afternoon, and join us in the game thread!

Here’s your game preview; lineups will be posted when they are available below the fold.

Stubbs CF
Cabrera SS
Votto 1B
Phillips 2B
Rolen 3B
Bruce RF
Gomes LF
Hanigan C
Arroyo P

178 Responses

  1. RiverCity Redleg

    Lineup’s in:
    Reds lineup vs. STL

    Stubbs 8
    Cabrera 6
    Votto 3
    Phillips 4
    Rolen 5
    Bruce 9
    Gomes 7
    Hanigan 2
    Arroyo 1

    Same as last night, but w/ Hanigan in for Hernandez.

  2. RiverCity Redleg

    I’m somewhat surprised to not see one or both of Dickerson and Nix vs the big righty today.

  3. nick in va

    I say it every time, but I love afternoon baseball.

  4. BJ Ruble

    I wish it was on TV, my radio doesn’t want to come in very well at all…

  5. TC

    Dusty just sort of blamed Daniel Ray for the lose. “We put him in there to keep the ralley from even starting.”

    Whatever Dusty. You’ve lost your biggest advocate at this blog.

  6. BJ Ruble

    @TC: Why would Herrera even be brought in to face ONE batter in that situation? I would think he should face a tough lefty in a bad situation if you want to use him for one batter.

    • RiverCity Redleg

      I think this matchup favors the Reds today.

      Why, is Pujols not playing?

  7. BJ Ruble

    Schumaker 2B
    Ryan SS
    Pujols 1B
    Holliday LF
    Rasmus CF
    Lopez 3B
    Craig RF
    LaRue C
    Penny P

  8. RiverCity Redleg

    Way to get this thing going 😥

  9. nick in va

    Error on Rolen. Could have been a DP. I guess it would have been wrong to not allow Pujols to get on base in his first at bat.

  10. StinkyPinky82

    It’s on TV everyone. The 1st week of MLB Inning is free. I am watching the game now and if you do not have cable but somehow have the internet, I can guide you to watch it online too. Anyway, I am watching the game now in Florida

  11. RiverCity Redleg

    How do you miss an Infield Fly Rule ball?

  12. lukeukcrazy

    How do you pop into a double play… dropped a popup

  13. Steve

    I think they generally don’t show these afternoon games because they don’t want to interrupt their regular programming at a time when they don’t figure many people will be available to watch baseball.

    Another error by Rolen, ugh. Good inning for Bronson, though.

  14. CeeKeR

    I’d love to see the Reds score a bunch of runs early for once. Have they been ahead yet this year?

  15. CeeKeR

    If ESPN’s GameCast pitch indicator is at all accurate, Penny seemed to want no part of Votto in that at bat.

  16. lukeukcrazy

    Cabrera in scoring position with one out…. Votto walks.

  17. lukeukcrazy

    Why don’t they work the pitcher and make him throw more pitches?

  18. nick in va

    Thom and Cowboy commented last night that BP seemed much more patient. Is that at all true? Of course, it was only a two game sample at that point.

  19. lukeukcrazy

    I hope Bronson’s okay colby rasmus hit that hard

  20. nick in va

    Quick work by Arroyo that inning.

  21. TC

    I hear you selling it John, but I’m not buying it. What does he mean Dusty didn’t have anyone to put in?

  22. RiverCity Redleg

    I would really like to see Bruce get on track.

    • RiverCity Redleg

      I would really like to see Bruce get on track.

      So much for that, maybe next time.

  23. RiverCity Redleg

    @TC: Yeah, nobody in the mainstream ever wants to call out Dusty’s rhetoric.

  24. Steve

    Error by Cabrera, dropping a simple pop up.

    I miss Paul Janish’s defense.

  25. Matt WI

    Just turned the game on last inning… would it kill this team to ever put up a crooked number early? Everytime I see a check a score for the first time, I secretly wish to see Reds 7, Bad Guys 1. It never goes that way.

  26. KYRedsFan

    Cabrera looks awful defensively so far, I’m sure that ball boy catches that pop up.

  27. Steve

    Arroyo K’s Pujols, Bronson is dealing so far today. Bronson’s 1,000’th strike out of his career.

  28. BJ Ruble

    I don’t understand how they aren’t hitting Penny any harder. He really isn’t that good.

  29. BJ Ruble

    Why in the world can they not get Rasmus out? Can they not throw him any strikes?

  30. CeeKeR

    This is the inning the Reds need to put some runs on the board. Arroyo’s been great thus far but he can’t win if the Reds don’t score…

    • Steve

      Arroyo 57 pitches through 4 IP.Throwing well for a daygame

      Maybe Bronson will make it through the seventh inning so Baker will have to screw up a different inning this game.

  31. RiverCity Redleg

    Why do we not even consider bunting Votto over?

  32. Matt WI

    It is becoming immoral to hit BP, a top 10 GIDP guy, behind the best hitter on the team. And I’m a BP supporter in general, but enough is enough.

    • RiverCity Redleg

      And I’m a BP supporter in general, but enough is enough.
      Reply

      I feel the same way!

    • Steve Price

      It is becoming immoral to hit BP, a top 10 GIDP guy, behind the best hitter on the team. And I’m a BP supporter in general, but enough is enough.

      Not only Phillips, but Cabrera led the American League in hitting into double plays the last two years in a row.

      Dusty always said he didn’t want to clog the bases…

  33. pinson343

    They aren’t even touching Bronson’s changeup.

  34. lukeukcrazy

    oops 5 strikeouts instead of %

  35. RiverCity Redleg

    @pinson343: That actually makes me feel a little better. I must have not been paying my full attention to BP’s at bat.

  36. nick in va

    Hanigan with a double. Maybe Arroyo can help himself.

  37. Steve

    who-hoo! way to go Bronson and the pink bat!!

  38. TC

    And the Reds take the lead the first time this year!!

  39. nick in va

    The Reds have the lead! 1-0. Nice job by Arroyo.

  40. lukeukcrazy

    They do say that Arroyo is a good hitter. single by arroyo, hanigan scores

  41. MLH

    Good things happen when you work the count!

  42. pinson343

    Hanigan & Arroyo, our 1-2 punch !
    Great AB by Bronson, hopefully our hitters were watching.

  43. lukeukcrazy

    2 out rally! stubbs walks 😆

  44. Steve

    I love it when Stubbs walks! More, more, more of that if he’s going to bat leadoff. He walked once yesterday and scored on Cabrera’s home run.

  45. BIGred053

    Great job at the plate for the Reds! Working up that pitch count for Penny!

  46. Steve

    Of course after the walk Cabrera swings at the first pitch and grounds out. Would have been a double play if there weren’t already two outs. I wonder which AB, Stubbs or Cabrera, Baker liked best. Stubbs was clogging up the bases. Cabrera was an aggressive veteran.

  47. BIGred053

    Of course Cabrera swings at the first pitch and kills the momentum.

  48. Matt WI

    This is from an article on si.com regarding the Pirates unorthodox line-ups. What really caught my attention was the line about the best hitter often getting to the plate with nobody on when lineups are constructed the traditional/Dusty way:
    Moving to the heart of the order, Russell also insisted on putting McCutchen, expected to be the Bucs’ best offensive force, in the No. 2 hole rather than the No. 3 spot. With his combination of power, speed and run-producing ability (especially relative to the rest of the Pirates’ lineup), he certainly doesn’t fit the mold of a typical No. 2 hitter. But in fact, statistical simulations show that the No. 2 hole is the ideal spot for a team’s best overall hitter, not a punch-and-judy bat-control player, as conventional wisdom says. This was explained as long ago as Pete Palmer’s classic 1985 book, The Hidden Game of Baseball, and as recently as The Book. Despite the evidence, managers have refused to listen, and great players from Bonds to Pujols continue to hit in the No. 3 spot (which is suboptimal because they tend to often come to bat with the bases empty and two out). By hitting McCutchen second, Russell is eschewing conventional wisdom in order to try to maximize his team’s run production.

  49. mike

    the perfect time to walk Pujols….so will they?
    6th inning, you have a 1-0 lead and 2 outs

    I’d walk him

  50. RiverCity Redleg

    @Matt WI: Interesting. Of course Larkin hit 2nd in the lineup for most of his career and he was usually the best hitter on the team.

    • BIGred053

      @Matt WI: Interesting. Of course Larkin hit 2nd in the lineup for most of his career and he was usually the best hitter on the team.

      Yeah, but it wasn’t because of his hitting, he just played SS, and everyone knows SS bats second 😛

  51. lukeukcrazy

    78 pitches 55 strikes looks like he might go 7 or 8

  52. Matt WI

    @RiverCity Redleg:
    Fair to point out the following paragraph says that statistically, changing the lineup that way will probably only give you 1.5 more wins a year, but that was followed with the fact that small market teams needs to push every advantage they can.

    But yeah, great point about Larkin.

    • Steve Price

      Fair to point out the following paragraph says that statistically, changing the lineup that way will probably only give you 1.5 more wins a year, but that was followed with the fact that small market teams needs to push every advantage they can.

      I think that’s a fair point except that most things in baseball give “marginal” results. It’s the sum of those marginal results that matter.

      If we could 1.5 wins out a lineup change, that’s 1.5 wins

      If we win five more games at shortstop with Janish’s defense, that’t 6.5 wins

      If we lose two games with Janish’t bat at shortstop, that’s 4.5 wins

      If we bat Cabrera and Phillips further down the order to elminate double plays, may be that’s another win or two

      If Dusty uses his best relievers as early as the 7th inning that would have at least had us in position for two wins this year

      If we sign a real power hitter for $7 million instead of Cabrera’s $2 mil at shortstop and play Janish’s defense, may be that net’s a couple of more wins.

      It’s all piece by piece…

  53. lukeukcrazy

    penny has 84 pitches through 6 work the pitch count

  54. pinson343

    According to Gameday, Penny just K’d Rolen on a 90 mph changeup.

  55. BIGred053

    Come on Arroyo! Calm down and make it through the inning!

  56. BJ Ruble

    Well, he got through it…93 through 7. I wouldn’t be surprised if Dusty ran him out there for another inning.

    • Steve Price

      Well, he got through it…93 through 7. I wouldn’t be surprised if Dusty ran him out there for another inning.

      Hey, Charlie Hough used to throw 150 pitches in a game, why can’t Arroyo? He’s a veteran, knuckler or on knuckler.

  57. BIGred053

    There we go! Way to bounce back after the homer and BB!

  58. Matt WI

    @BJ Ruble: Sample size notwithstanding (18games), Rasmus career vs. Cincy: .383/.448/.700, 4hrs,9 BB, 14 R. He’s great against us.

  59. BIGred053

    Dusty probably will run him out another inning unless maybe the pitcher spot gets up to bat.

  60. Steve Price

    My opinion: the keys to our season are Jay Bruce and Homer Bailey.

    Right now…one half of my keys are rusty.

  61. CeeKeR

    3 strikes to Gomes, all three appeared out of the strike zone according to GameCast.

    • BIGred053

      This would be a great time for Juan Francisco to bat!

      Nah, Arroyo hasn’t thrown 200 pitches yet!

    • Matt WI

      I was just about to type the same thing. This is EXACTLY what Francisco is for.

      This would be a great time for Juan Francisco to bat!

  62. Chad Dotson

    What am I missing while I’ve been trying to work? Looks like Good Bronson showed up?

  63. Steve

    Gomes is REALLY struggling vs. RHP.

    Another hit for Hanigan.

    Arroyo batting with two outs and runner on base which will allow him to pitch one more inning (at most). Tough call either way. Arroyo is probably our best pitcher for the 8th but with the bottom of the lineup coming up the bullpen could probably handle it.

    I think I’d have run Juan Francisco or Micah Owings up there to see if we could get a double. Then Masset and Cordero could finish it off.

  64. Steve Price

    Guys…myself, 0-2 in the season, 1-1 game with Arroyo near 100 pitches…it’s time to pinch hit.

  65. BIGred053

    Good Bronson showed up both on the mound and at the plate! Out or not, two long AB’s for Arroyo. Should be it for Penny today.

  66. CeeKeR

    Oye. At least Arroyo made Penny work, more than most of the other Reds today.

  67. BJ Ruble

    Frustrating! I know Bronson is throwing well, but come one, GO FOR THE WIN!

  68. lukeukcrazy

    way to work Penny to 100 pitches

  69. pinson343

    Yeh, can’t believe Arroyo batted. Thought we’d see Francisco.

  70. BJ Ruble

    That is the perfect situation for Francisco. Then even if he just singles, it brings up the top of the lineup. It is frustrating, hopefully Bronson goes another inning like the rest have been.

  71. Steve Price

    I guess we had to protect our one inning relief arms.

    It’s more important to placate the $11 million pitcher..

    check out my list of why veterans love Dusty from the other day…

    1) He’s great at managing veterans and keeping them happy
    2) He’s great at recruiting veterans to come and play for him
    3) He’s great at giving veteran pitchers the respect that they’ve earned
    4) He won’t overuse a veteran set up man by pitching him early in the game
    5) He respects the veteran’s role in the bullpen and doesn’t change his gameplan on a whim
    6) Veterans have earned the right to start and a rookie has to beat the veteran out of position (veterans like that)
    7) He will play a rookie if there’s absolutely no one else available to play

  72. Matt WI

    Hold on to your hats kids. Here’s Albert.

  73. davidmp2

    Do you throw to Holliday or load em up?

  74. CeeKeR

    While I don’t usually agree with Dusty, I think I actually agree with his decision to let Arroyo bat (and thus pitch another inning). First, Arroyo has been dealing today – the Cardinals haven’t managed any substantial offense against him – and when you have “good Arroyo” on the mound you keep him out there. Second, Arroyo is the guy who drove in the Reds lone run – that’s got to count for something. Finally, who in the bullpen should have pitched the 8th? Let’s face it, the bullpen (and Dusty’s use of the bullpen) has been the reason the Reds have lost the first two games of the season…

  75. Chad Dotson

    I’d forgotten, since it had been a while, but close games are much more fun.

    Nice outing by Arroyo, and I really don’t care about Arroyo’s pitch count. It isn’t like he’s 23 years old.

  76. CeeKeR

    I also meant to add: Arroyo has been dealing with the Cardinals big threats (Pujols especially) quite well today – something that the Reds bullpen has already proven this series that they can’t do.

  77. davidmp2

    so the reds have the top of their lineup coming while the Cards have the bottom half. I like it.

    • Matt WI

      Famous last words.

      so the reds have the top of their lineup coming while the Cards have the bottom half. I like it.

  78. pinson343

    Wow, that was scary. Arroyo can throw a lot of pitches without it bothering him. If he doesn’t feel good, he takes himself out.

    Now let’s win this sucker !

  79. RiverCity Redleg

    @Chad Dotson: I’m not worried about his pitch count b/c I’m afraid of him blowing out his arm. I just think you’ve got to take advantage of every opportunity to extend innings and get to their bullpen. His pitch count suggest he’s only got one more inning left in him anyway.

  80. nick in va

    Votto gets on base. Too bad no one was on base for him.

  81. lukeukcrazy

    We really needed Rolen to get tht RBI.

  82. BJ Ruble

    Why is Cordero in? I thought Dusty would hold him for a “save” situation.

  83. Travis G.

    Rasmus is quickly becoming my least-favorite Reds opponent. He’s a worthy heir to Jim Edmonds in that regard.

  84. BJ Ruble

    I know, but I didn’t figure Dusty would use him since there wouldn’t be.

  85. nick in va

    A walk off homer by Bruce would be nice.

  86. renbutler

    All I have to say is this:

    Arroyo is the man!

  87. Matt WI

    @Travis G.: Rasmus’ picture on Gameday (or At-Bat as it’s called now) kind of makes you want to punch him, and I’m not a violent person.

  88. RiverCity Redleg

    @BJ Ruble: Dusty actually uses CoCo pretty consistantly in this situation. It’s one of the few stubborn acts of his that I agree with.. usually.

  89. renbutler

    Hitting slots 4-7 are a black hole right now.

  90. renbutler

    There’s a little light in that black hole now! 😯

  91. lukeukcrazy

    game-winning homerun by gomes! :mrgreen:

  92. davidmp2

    YEAH! CHAD give ’em what they want. It’s Sombraro time, baby!!!

  93. lukeukcrazy

    Reds 1st win of the season!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  94. BJ Ruble

    This is the kind of pitching we were expecting from the staff this year. Excellent!

  95. mike

    someone should write a letter to the Reds and instead of a Gomes bobblehead night they should have Gomes sombraro night!

  96. VTNReds

    GOMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I love it!!! 😛

  97. Matt WI

    FYI- Today’s game is another pefect example for anybody that thinks W-L is a great way to judge a starting pitcher. Arroyo was studly today, but it won’t show up in the W column.

    Anyway, bring on the baby bears!

    • Steve Price

      Anyway, bring on the baby bears!

      I don’t know why I’ve never heard anyone refer to the Cubs this way, but “baby bears’ is classic…

  98. RiverCity Redleg

    Wins are so much better than losses… we should just do that every night.

  99. TC

    I held back on the Gomes jersey and Sombraro last night. Next time I will not. 😉

  100. VTNReds

    Can I just say–that’s why you put Gomes in the lineup every game.
    Enough of this platoon business.

    • Steve

      Can I just say–that’s why you put Gomes in the lineup every game.
      Enough of this platoon business.

      Not sure I agree with this. As happy as I am with today’s outcome, and giddy at the moment over Gomes, I’m not sure his other bad AB are worth the one home run every once in a while.

      • VTNReds

        Not sure I agree with this. As happy as I am with today’s outcome, and giddy at the moment over Gomes, I’m not sure his other bad AB are worth the one home run every once in a while.

        I dunno, maybe it’s the post-game high talking… but it just seems like Gomes has more to offer than Nix. (And I love watching him dig in and tug on his helmet). Stubbs/Dickerson is more of a wash–too early in the season to tell.

  101. TC

    There’s the 22000 rule again. The Reds don’t win if the crowd is over 22000. They play very well when the crowd is under 22000.

  102. pinson343

    @TC: I never heard of the 22000 rule. Is that related to Catch 22 ?