For those that think baseball is over because of….

1. Free Agency
2. Expansion
3. Designated Hitter
4. Endless pitching changes
5. The Home Run
6. Bigger gloves
7. The decline of the stolen base
8. Interleague play
9. Integration
10. Additional Levels of Postseason Play
11. Moneyball
12. Closers
13) No More Complete Games
14) Sabermetrics
15) Arbitration
16) New York Yankees
17) Small Markets can’t compete
18) High salaries

Okay…okay, I’ll stop….did I miss any? Today’s quote is from The Cincinnati Gazette, from sometime back in 1879:

“The baseball mania has run its course. It has no future as a professional endeavor.”—The Cincinnati Gazette—1879

The more things change, the more they stay the same….

Source was the book “The Wisdom of Old-Time Baseball” compiled and edited by Criswell Freeman.

9 Responses

  1. Steve

    You left off:

    19. Dusty Baker is making out our lineup.

  2. dave drish

    20.Roids, but 16 and Steve’s # 19 worry me.

  3. Doug Gray

    And there is a reason the Cincinnati Gazette no longer exists….They didn’t know what they were talking about.

  4. pinson343

    An article I read a cited a quote about the chaotic state of professional baseball – free agency, spiraling salaries, too much player movement, prima donna athletes, rising ticket prices, etc. Turned out the quote was written in the 1880s.

  5. mike

    I’ve added a couple years…..for perspective

    1. Free Agency (1976 or 1969/1975 depending on when you think the change really happened)

    2. Expansion (1893, when the NL went from 8 to 12 teams, adding Louisville Colonels, Washington Senators, St. Louis Browns and Baltimore Orioles was for sure the downfall of baseball.)

    3. Designated Hitter (still hate it but have to agree baseball has been dying since 1973 when it was introduced)

    4. Endless pitching changes (see roughly the 1973 comment)

    5. The Home Run (notes from newspapers dating back to the 1880 show the excitement surrounding HRs and clearly Ruth destroyed baseball in 1919)

    6. Bigger gloves (I’m still pissed they even started using gloves! Baseball hasn’t been the same since 1869. It was so much better then!)

    7. The decline of the stolen base (ohhh, this one is more difficult, anyone reading even know if/when there was a decline in the SB? But really, baseball died in after the 1890s when players stole at will. I miss Billy Hamilton)

    8. Interleague play (still hate it but what has it caused other than fan interest for 4 weeks out of the season?)

    9. Integration ( 🙂 )

    10. Additional Levels of Postseason Play (never even heard anyone complain about this….cept I think the playoff setup in baseball is awful compared to other major pro sports)

    11. Moneyball ( yeah it’s terrible when the smart poor guy wins)

    12. Closers (ha ha…..)

    13) No More Complete Games (is a complete game a good thing?)

    14) Sabermetrics (is understanding the game a bad thing….and yeah, baseball has stunk since the mid 80s)

    15) Arbitration (baseball died in 74)

    16) New York Yankees (1913 and arguably earlier was the end of baseball!!! bring it back!)

    17) Small Markets can’t compete (the US census didn’t even report on some areas that had baseball teams in 1882, whatever)

    18) High salaries (see mid-70s)

    but seriously folks these are my reasons baseball is over (all TRUE dates/changes)
    1. When in 1858 they introduces the called strike. No way…swing or you don’t get off the island.
    2. In 1865 when some dude who didn’t know much math decided the batting average was a good stat and it was adopted by MLB. Could no one do anything other than divide back then?
    3. I miss the days in the late 1800s when it took 9 balls to draw a BB
    4. Baseball died in 1883 when pitchers were allowed to throw over hand!
    5. OK, baseball died in 1887 when batters were not allowed to call for high or low pitches anymore.
    6. See 1889 was the end. 4 balls is a BB? pansies….get 9!
    7. And what’s with the NL not adopting the foul strike but the AL adopting it in 1903. That killed baseball!
    8. Or was it 1959 when baseball decided fields had to meet size requirements (minimum boundaries for all new parks, 325-400-325 feet.)? I say let a team build as big or as small a park as they want! No HR EVER hit in a park??…SO WHAT!
    9. Or was it 1969 when they lowered the pitchers mound 5 inches? I say make the pitchers mound 5 feet high if you want!
    10. Really 1887 was the end. Coaches were recognized for the 1st time.

    BUT SERIOUSLY! THIS WAS THE END OF BASEBALL
    In 1917 All freak deliveries, including the spitball, were outlawed! BRING THEM BACK! I’m not kidding! 1-10 were to make a point…but I think you should be able to throw/get/spit/whatever the ball up to the plate how you want. You think there will be 80 HR hitting players then??

    baseball seems to be over every year for one reason or another.
    and for the last 9 years it HAS been over for Reds fans

    • pinson343

      mike:

      7. The decline of the stolen base (ohhh, this one is more difficult, anyone reading even know if/when there was a decline in the SB? But really, baseball died in after the 1890s when players stole at will. I miss Billy Hamilton)

      8. Interleague play (still hate it but what has it caused other than fan interest for 4 weeks out of the season?)

      16) New York Yankees (1913 and arguably earlier was the end of baseball!!! bring it back!)

      2. In 1865 when some dude who didn’t know much math decided the batting average was a good stat and it was adopted by MLB. Could no one do anything other than divide back then?
      9. Or was it 1969 when they lowered the pitchers mound 5 inches? I say make the pitchers mound 5 feet high if you want!

      I haven’t looked up the numbers, but there was definitely a decline in the stolen base after Babe Ruth’s HRs took ML baseball out of the “dead ball ear.”
      The stolen base was not much a part of the game in the 1930’s and 1940’s. (There were some exceptions, like the Gas House gang of the 1930’s Cardinals). The hit and run was popular, so there were some accidental SBs. If a pitcher threw the ball well out of the strike zone on a hit and run, the batter would throw his bat at it, trying to make contact and “protect” the runner, who otherwise was considered an almost sure out at second.

      Stolen bases and speed came back into the game the 50’s,with players like Jackie Robinson, Willie Mays, and Luis Aparicio of the Go-Go White Sox.
      Maury Wills brought back high-volume stealing in the 60’s. Then came the high speed artificial turf game of the 1970’s.

      The problem with interleague play is the two “rivalry” series a year, which makes for unfair schedules for the divisional races. For example, playing the Royals 6 times a year has been good for the Cardinals.

      The ban on “doctoring the ball” applies only to pitchers who don’t know how to get away with it. Ask Gaylord Perry.

      The Yankees stunk until the Red Sox owner sold them his 4 best starting pitchers, including Babe Ruth. That created a monster.

      When batting average was first invented, a walk was counted as a hit.

      Yes the mound was lowered for the 1969 season, after the Year of the Pitcher.

  6. RedinFla

    comment on #10:
    Especially from the perspective of global un-warming or whatever this winter has been (yes, even here in FL!)…
    post-season games at night in the snow and freezing temperatures aren’t particularly good for the game. 😳

    (..the pink-cheek dude is cold, not embarrassed)