Great discussion below on my Orlando Cabrera screed. For those of you who think it’s a great idea to sign Cabrera, go read this (link was posted in the comments below, so some of you may have already clicked on it). Then read this. Finally, check out their player pages at Fangraphs (CabreraJanish); look particularly at the bottom chart and the WAR column. Then come back here and explain why in the world you want the Reds to waste the money.

Some of you keep mentioning “depth,” but that conveniently ignores the fact that we have Dusty Baker as manager. In other words, this signing would mean a crappy hitter, Cabrera, hitting second every single day. Do you really want that? At least with Janish, there’s a chance Dusty will bat him eighth.

I just don’t understand what anyone sees here. Paul Janish was better than Cabrera last year, according to pretty much every advanced metric. Janish is projected to be a more valuable player in 2010, according to these metrics. What makes you think a 35-year old shortstop is going to improve all of a sudden? At least Janish has a chance of getting better at the plate; his defense is already spectacular.

Are you willing to bet all those innings that Cabrera will be playing on the hope that Cabrera improves over last year? Really? Isn’t that what the Reds did with Willy Taveras last season?

The point isn’t that Cabrera is substantially worse than Janish; he isn’t. The point is that this entire exercise is meaningless; there’s no reason to make the move. Cabrera is very unlikely to be much better than Janish in 2010, yet Dusty will hit him second and play him every single day. That’s a huge drag on an offense that’s already undermanned, not to mention the serious downgrade in the field.

Believe me, I don’t like being in the position of defending Paul Janish. I’ve never been a big fan of the guy (although I do like watching him play defense). I don’t have any problem whatsoever with the Reds shoving Janish aside if they can find a clear upgrade at short.

Orlando Cabrera is decidedly not a clear upgrade…and there’s a very real chance that he’ll be a downgrade, costing the Reds runs. That’s a chance I don’t want the Reds to take; why waste the money on a gamble? Wait for something better to come along.

Either way, we could be finding out Cabrera’s decision any time now.

58 Responses

  1. Bill Lack

    Remember that Janish was the forgotten man on the roster until Baker had no choice but to play him.

  2. Jeff

    1 would rather Cabrera batting .275 than Janish .215. We’ve had the worst bad avg. in the NL for how many years. If we could put up some runs and start hitting the ball that would be the way to go. For the right price at a year. No one is saying over spend for the guy with a multi yr. deal.

  3. Travis G.

    Cabrera is very unlikely to be much better than Janish in 2010, yet Dusty will hit him second and play him every single day. That’s a huge drag on an offense that’s already undermanned

    The only cure for this is to sign Damon, too. Even Dusty would bat him ahead of the shortstop.

  4. al

    dusty hit janish 2nd too, so that point seems pretty moot to me. we don’t know what dusty will do with his lineup, but we can just assume it will be bad no matter who he has to work with.

    i also think you’re dismissing the depth issue WAY too fast. read fay’s post on this. if janish got hurt, would you really prefer rosales or sutton to cabrera? if so, then clearly cabrera has done you some personal diservice in the past.

    i agree, cabrera probably isn’t much better than janish overall. but you’re also cherry picking some stats. you claim that cabrera is tanking defensively, but (from fan graphs) his d improved the two previous years. also, he’s had two previous years of negative fielding runs, so there are two conclusions that you could make:

    1. he’s an irratic defensive player and we don’t know what we’re going to get, or
    2. these metrics aren’t that consistant, and we don’t know what we’re going to get.

    i don’t see how we know for sure that his d is going to be bad, or even worse than janish.

    but overall, it’s the depth to me that makes this make sense. to me the question isn’t if janish is better than cabrera, it’s if rosales or sutton are.

  5. al

    one more follow up, in 2008, fangraphs has janish with negative fielding runs, so again, who knows.

  6. jason1972

    Janish hit .210 in 256 ABs with 36 runs, 1 HR, 16 RBI, 2 SB, and 40 KOs.

    Cabrera hit .284 in 656 ABs with 83 runs, 9 HR, 77 RBI, 13 SB, and 71 KOs.

    Cabrera is a major league ballplayer. Janish is roster filler.

  7. KylerR

    I think this is a good, not great move. The thing I like hearing with this, is that John Fay still thinks they would have a shot at bringing back Gomes.

    If Cabrera comes to Cincinnati, I hope it’s cheap. Because, let’s just say the Reds have a bad first half of the year (Knock on wood). Cabrera is a guy another team could trade for at the deadline. Maybe we get something out of him, maybe we don’t but then Janish could get the rest of the year to prove himself worthy or not(one last time), and you can give Todd Frazier a look there too.

    But if the Reds have a good first half, then this move looks genius. But I say one year deal at the most. No getting tied to contracts like Willy Taveras and others.

  8. GregD

    I don’t think it is a great idea, but I also don’t think it is a terrible idea.

    It is just hard to gauge what the true value to the team would be because we’re trying to look at (1) defensive statistics and (2) 2010 projections, which are hardly perfect measures, without knowing the contract details.

    • Chad Dotson

      GregD: I don’t think it is a great idea, but I also don’t think it is a terrible idea. It is just hard to gauge what the true value to the team would be because we’re trying to look at (1) defensive statistics and (2) 2010 projections, which are hardly perfect measures, without knowing the contract details.

      I agree it isn’t a terrible idea. I just think it’s unnecessary. It’s making a move just to make a move, or because Joe Fan may have heard of him.

      I’m just hoping to avoid the inevitable headache that we’re going to have to suffer through every night when he hits second and the media acts like he’s great. (Remember Alex Gonzalez?) So it’s selfish on my part. :mrgreen: I just don’t want to deal with all the shenanigans surrounding this signing. Stick with the kids, I say.

      At least we know we’ll get elite defense from Janish, and if something better comes along, it’ll be much easier to kick Janish and him min contract to the curb.

  9. Chad Dotson

    Oh, and I didn’t cherry pick stats. I sent everyone to a link with all the stats from both players. And I looked at last year’s stats. Seems reasonable.

    What’s the marginal difference between Janish/Sutton/Frazier, etc., and Janish/Cabrera? Not the dollars they’ll spend on Cabrera, I’d bet. Especially when you consider that Cabrera will play 90% of the time or more. This team has finite resources. I don’t understand the need to waste a portion of it on an “asset” that has a very good chance of hurting the team.

    Also, Janish had a higher WAR last year. In 1/5 of the playing time. Cabrera sucks…but you wait until he starts getting pumped up by the media into being a superstar. Just wait. It’s going to happen.

  10. GregD

    On offense, Cabrera has been a tick above .700 ops the past two seasons and projected to be around .700 this year. That makes him a slightly below average offensive SS the past two years (sOPS+ of 97 and 96 – meaning 3-4% below average.) sOPS+ adjusts for position and ballpark. 100 is average. Certainly, we could expect him to continue to be in the 95-100 sOPS+ range.

    Janish – who knows. His OPS last year was .600. Optimists are hoping for .640-650.

    On defense, has he really declined that much in 1 year? I haven’t had the benefit of seeing him play. His UZR/150 went from 13.1 to -13.7 in 1 year. It was 8.9 in 2007. They say that you need 3 years of UZR data for a good sample. His 3-yr UZR/150 has never been negative. CHONE is projecting him to duplicate his poor UZR from 2009.

    Cabrera’s UZR has fluctated a lot in the past, too. From 2004-2006, he went from -2.3, 23.5, -1.6.

    I think the fan projection of -4.6 is more reasonable than the -15 from CHONE.

    WAR. Cabrera’s past three years has been 3.8, 3.5, and 0.6. He dropped almost 3 points on his WAR from 3.5 to 0.6 because of his fielding statistic. His CHONE projected WAR is 0.5. However, if his fielding (UZR) is really 0.0 instead of -15, his WAR becomes 2.0.

    • Chad Dotson

      GregD: However, if his fielding (UZR) is really 0.0 instead of -15, his WAR becomes 2.0.

      Counting on a 35-year old shortstop’s defense to improve is a dangerous game, Mr. Bond.

  11. GregD

    Who loses their bench spot to Janish?

    Is it Janish/Rosales vs. Cabrera/Janish?

  12. GRF

    I think Greg hits it. Without knowing the contract details, it is hard to evaluate if it is just treading water, with maybe some slight upside, or a problem. If it is a 1 year deal for little money, what is the harm and if (granted it is a big if) he bounces back to his 2008 form it might actually help. If it is a year Taveras style deal (and I noticed the Taveras tag was slipped in there) then it could be an issue.

    At least they are trying, if only in a substituting effort for progress sort of way.

  13. Sultan of Swaff

    Counting on Janish’s defense to not regress a bit in a larger sample size is equally dangerous.

  14. Chad Dotson

    One last point, before I have to check out for a while.

    We can compare Cabrera/Janish and Janish/Sutton/whomever, but Bill’s comment above notes a problem with that comparison. We probably should be comparing Janish/Sutton/whomever with Cabrera/Sutton/whomever.

    Dusty Baker didn’t use Janish last year AT ALL, until management gave him no choice. The guy couldn’t get into the game, no matter how poorly AGon played. What makes us think Dusty is going to act any differently this year?

    Janish certainly isn’t going to be a backup at any other infield positions. Dusty had plenty of opportunities to play Janish at 3B or 2B when EE and BP were injured early. Didn’t happen (Janish played 6 innings at third last year, none at 2B).

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Janish starts the year in AAA if Cabrera is signed. After all, Dusty clearly believes Rosales and Sutton are more versatile. And if Janish is in AAA, what does that mean for Frazier/Cozart/Valaika, et al?

    • CeeKeR

      Chad Dotson: Dusty Baker didn’t use Janish last year AT ALL, until management gave him no choice. The guy couldn’t get into the game, no matter how poorly AGon played. What makes us think Dusty is going to act any differently this year?Janish certainly isn’t going to be a backup at any other infield positions. Dusty had plenty of opportunities to play Janish at 3B or 2B when EE and BP were injured early. Didn’t happen (Janish played 6 innings at third last year, none at 2B).I wouldn’t be surprised if Janish starts the year in AAA if Cabrera is signed. After all, Dusty clearly believes Rosales and Sutton are more versatile. And if Janish is in AAA, what does that mean for Frazier/Cozart/Valaika, et al?

      So maybe we should consider Janish a backup pitcher instead…he has more pitching innings that fielding innings at most other infield positions!

  15. GregD

    @Chad Dotson: I’m not suggesting that he will improve, I’m suggesting that -15.0 UZR is not the right measurement of his defensive contribution in 2009 nor an accurate projection for his defensive contribution in 2010.

  16. Chad Dotson

    @Sultan of Swaff: Really? I think, in a player his age, it’s not unreasonable at all to expect improvement. That’s what young players do before they hit their peak.

  17. Chad Dotson

    @GregD: Not an accurate measurement?

    Okay, perhaps it isn’t an exact measurement, but I don’t think it is unreasonable at all to conclude that his defense was worse last year than the year before. How much worse is debatable, certainly.

    But it fits in with what we know about 35 year old shortstops. They lose it. I don’t know why we should expect Cabrera to be the exception. He’s never been exceptional in any other way.

  18. John

    Per Hal McCoy:

    HOW ABOUT SHORTSTOP? Said [Assistant GM Bob] Miller, “We’re working every day to improve the team. We haven’t really given Paul Janish a chance. And we have Chris Valaika and Zack Cozart for the future. Janish and Valaika and Cozart are our long-term answers and we’re still looking to solve the short-term question.”

    So, in order to give Paul Janish a chance in the long term, we should sign Orlando Cabrera..?

    Buh?

  19. Drew Nelson

    If Orlando is not worse the Paul, and it’s not more then a year or two contract how is it a bad move? I don’t buy into Chads view of it’s a move for a move sake. If the monies being spent could have gotten us say Damon, then okay I have an issue, but I don’t think that is the case. So, what are we losing out on with this expenditure? If we don’t sign Orlando, who would the monies go to instead?

  20. Glenn

    Chad,
    You mave have hit on something here. Janish couldn’t get into a game until managment gave Dusty no other choice.

    Does Dusty still feel that way about J?…and is he pushing for someone like Cabrera? behind the scenes with WJ?

  21. JasonL

    Chad, I agree with you overall, but Janish SHOULD be expected to regress defensively. Fangraphs has said often that you need two seasons worth of data for the sample to be reliable. Janish’s fielding stats in half a season were other-worldly. It’s unreasonable to expect that to continue. That said, it is still my belief, that in terms of overall value Janish is greater than or equal to Cabrera. That’s why the move would be stupid.

  22. Bill Lack

    I agree with Chad that it doesn’t improve this team enough to justify the signing (even fairly cheap) but it won’t infuriate me either b/c I don’t think Janish is the long term answer either. BUT if it’s for more than one year (which with this team’s history, you can not discount), it’s a freakin’ idiotic move. It means they learned nothing from the Tavares signing.

  23. hoosierdad

    @jason1972: Janish hits an extra base hit every 11 AB. Cabrera does it every 13 AB. I still think Janish will be improved offensively this year. My guess is something around .240. At .240 and better power than Cabrera AND much better defense, it needs to be Janish over Cabrera. If Janish goes down, you bring up Frazier, Cozart, or Valaika. Remember, we are still building towards 2011. Unless someone thinks we can make the playoffs THIS year, there is no big reason to get Cabrera.

  24. preach

    Chad Dotson
    January 29th, 2010 at 2:28 pm (Quote)
    @jason1972: batting average, RBI, stolen bases and knockouts. All the best stats for judging hitters. I’m convinced!

    They are more reliable than most fielding stats….. 😛

  25. preach

    Apparently Nady signed with the Cubs after Dye turned down $3.3 mil. Guess both those guys are off the table.

  26. mcgee

    I want to see Frazier in the lineup everyday. He’s 24, he’s our top prospect, and he loves to play shortstop. I hope he blows away all doubters in ST. As for Cabrera, please WJ dont do it. You already have Taveras and Rolen as two strikes against you. Dont do it.

    • Drew Nelson

      I agree with Willy T, but how is Rolen bad and how would be signing Orlando bad? What is wrong with some vets on the team?

      mcgee: I want to see Frazier in the lineup everyday. He’s 24, he’s our top prospect, and he loves to play shortstop. I hope he blows away all doubters in ST. As for Cabrera, please WJ dont do it. You already have Taveras and Rolen as two strikes against you. Dont do it.

  27. preach

    Also, Josh Fogg was signed to a minor league deal by the Mets, so take that one off your wish list…..

    Isn’t it interesting how much traffic we have devoted to Cabrera? Haven’t seen this since A_a_ D_nn.

  28. TC

    Gracious, most here, myself included, are on the fence leaning one way or the other. Personally, I’m leaning against. But there is nothing yet that says this would be a bad signing. It depends on two factors which cannot be known at this time. What’s the contract, and what’s his role. Neither question is answered, so I’m moving on to something else.

  29. Kevin Mitchell is Batman

    OK, my last post on this, because the eternal January optimism of Reds fans is beginning to get on my nerves. We do it every year…expect significant improvement from the same players of years passed. Why? I don’t know. I do it too, sometimes in a rage of fandom inexplicable to most.

    Janish is not a .240 hitter over a 162 game season. He was barely a .250 hitter at AAA, and has followed the assumed regressions to MLB pitching. We can hope, sure, but I’m not buying it. He’s a .215-.220 hitter with a good glove. How good of a glove? Well, UZR/150 generally requires a 3 year period, which Janish has not played. He was stellar last year (with GG Phillips and GG Rolen beside him, mostly), but was well below par the year before. Which one will it be? The fact that I’m even asking that means there are at least a few unanswered questions.

    Cabrera is in his mid 30’s, and while having never (rarely?) been great, he’s been just about as consistent as any SS over the last decade.

    Chad, you keep citing his “terrible” defense last year…looking at his UZR/150’s over the past decade, I notice 1 thing that stands out the most: he’s had 2 years with “terrible defense” and negative WAR. What’s the common thread in those years? He was traded mid-season. Every other year where he’s spent a full year in the organization, he’s produced WAR that suggests he WAS UNDERPAID FOR HIS PERFORMANCE. Coming back to the NL, playing in GABP, and being surrounded by Rolen and Phillips makes me extremely unconcerned about his defensively abilities. It’s not like we toss 5 sinkerballers out there anyway…we have flyball pitchers and stellar OF defense.

    I like Janish, and I think he’s earned himself years of MLB contracts with his glove (ala Juan Castro), but he’s not a 162-er. Cabrera may not be either, but the 2 of them COMBINED I like a lot. That is all.

  30. al

    Two things make this tough for me:

    1. I agree with KMisBM on everything, which is to say that I’m not at all sold on the idea that fangraphs proves Janish is better than Cabrera.

    2. If we sign Cabrera, we know for sure frazier isn’t going to play, and giving him a shot is probably the best thing we could do.

    To me, the argument comes down to, should the reds go with (what to me) is a safer bet at SS with Cabrera, or should we go to ST hoping Janish gets beat out by Frazeir while gambling on going to opening day with Janish/Rosales/Sutton, which to me would be the worst outcome of all of this.

    Best case would probably be Cabrera/Frazier IMHO, but I can’t see how that happens.

  31. Chip

    I just don’t see the point of signing Cabrera. Even at his best vs. Janish’s worst, the difference isn’t enough to make the Reds a pennant contender this year, and it hurts the Reds in 2011 and beyond by eating up a roster spot that could go to Frazier or one of the other kids who need a chance to show what they can do in the big leagues. Otherwise, we’re in the same spot a year from now: no one we have confidence in to play shortstop, trying to guess whether Janish or Frazier or someone else in the system can do the job, and searching the scrap heap for 35-year-old retreads. If Cabrera is signed, he’ll be the starter, and, barring injury, he’ll be the starter all year, regardless of how he performs. I also worry that having an inferior defensive shortstop will hamper our young pitchers’ development, but maybe that’s just me.
    Long term, I think signing Cabrera clearly hurts the organization. The Reds have to decide whether they’re building for a serious run at perennial playoff contention or just want to do everything possible to get a winning record one year. I’d prefer the former, even if it means missing the opportunity to watch an aging mediocrity patrol the middle infield.

  32. TC

    According to MLB Trade Rumors Cabrera wants to play in D.C.. He also wants 9 million. And that’s just fine with me.

    • pinson343

      TC: According to MLB Trade Rumors Cabrera wants to play in D.C.. He also wants 9 million. And that’s just fine with me.

      They said that about Hudson, not Cabrera.

  33. SWS

    I have not seen Janish play, however, based on everything that I have read and heard he has a chance to be the best field ss in the national league this year. After looking at Cabrera’s hitting stats the last 3 years (186, 186, 192 hits) I believe he would have led the Reds in hits all 3 years. This would be a highly significant impact over the impact that Janish will have this year.

  34. TC

    Uhhhh…. yeah, sorry ’bout that. It was a Scotch night. Dalmore, what are you go for?

  35. TC

    See!? … good for.

    I hate buring posts on stuff like this.

  36. TC

    … uh … that’s “burning”. I need to go to bed.

  37. pinson343

    Nothing in the above comparisons changes my mind, because they do not address the argument that I and others have made.
    This time I’ll use John Fay’s description of our currrent SS situation:

    “Walt Jocketty mentioned Adam Rosales and Drew Sutton as backups. Janish hit .211 last year, Sutton hit .212 and Rosales hit .213. Not good when Plan A, B and C hit .211, .212 and .213. Todd Frazier may be the best alternative. But he hasn’t played short in 1 1/2 years, and Jocketty’s never seen him play short.”

    There is no reason to believe Frazier will be ready to play ML SS any time soon, if ever. That leaves Cabrera/Janish vs. Janish/Rosales. I don’t even want to see Rosales on the 25 man roster.

    Since the days of Adam Dunn, I can’t remember this even a split opinion on our blog.

    • Chad Dotson

      No, it’s Cabrera/Sutton/Rosales vs. Janish/Sutton/Rosales, in my opinion.

      The more I think about it, the more I think Janish is in AAA if Cabrera is signed. Dusty did everything he could to avoid putting Janish in a game last year. Why would that be any different this year, if management gives him another option?

      Even if Janish is the 25th man on the roster, he will get far fewer ABs than Sutton and Rosales, because Dusty will play those guys all over the infield. Dusty wouldn’t even play Janish at SS until management forced him to.

      So I think saying Cabrera/Janish is wishful thinking. That’s not the way it would work out in practice. So basically you are paying the extra money for what we already have (they’re the same player; OC better with the bat, PJ better with the glove). Plus, you are tying up the spot in case something else works out (Frazier exceeding expectations) or someone else comes available (Hanley Ramirez 🙂 ). They would kick Janish out of the way for anyone, but Cabrera is here and in the lineup and batting second and fighting BP for the team lead in out-making for the length of his contract.

      Again, it wouldn’t be the worst signing in the world, and I won’t shed a tear if they sign the guy. It’s not like Janish is much of a player himself. It’s just superfluous. Unnecessary. Wasteful. All for an asset that, in all likelihood, doesn’t improve the team (even though it may not hurt the team either).

      Why bother? Spend the money on Gomes or Damon or some other left fielder.

  38. Greg Dafler

    Cabrera’s UZR/150 rating went from 2nd best in MLB in 2008 to 2nd worst in 2009? I agree that you would expect some sort of defensive dropoff with age, but I don’t think it would be anything that dramatic.

  39. preach

    Alright, I’m probably Dunn (ha, get it?) with this, but perhaps his fielding problems came from splitting time with two teams last season. Most of his time was in Oakland, but he did play 50 games for Minnesota. He still played in 160 games.

    Also, and I know this will incite some people but here goes anyway, he is a passionate player and I think with him and Rolen on the same infield it would be a great influence on the young core. Yes, it’s intangibles. But just because you don’t have the means to measure something doesn’t mean it’s not there.

    Anyone who needs to be restrained from taking swings at Ozzie Guillen is alright with me.

    Has Janish ever played third?

    • Chad Dotson

      preach: Has Janish ever played third?

      Six innings last year and six games in AA three years ago.

      Face it, Dusty Baker will not use Janish as a backup anywhere in the infield other than shortstop. And he won’t play him at SS if he has any other options.

  40. Chad Dotson

    All this discussion about two crappy shortstops makes me realize how much I miss Barry Larkin.

    • Chris

      Chad Dotson: All this discussion about two crappy shortstops makes me realize how much I miss Barry Larkin.

      Funny. Larkin came to mind when we started talking about 35 y/o shortstops’ defense. “Barry’s lost it, folks.”

  41. per14

    This is way too long to read all of it, so maybe someone is made this point:

    Even if Janish is as bad as he reasonably could be and Cabrera is as good as he reasonably could be, the difference between them is STILL rather marginal. A win, maybe two at the most? I don’t think it is worth the money especially when a couple extra wins probably won’t make a practical difference.

  42. TC

    @per14: There is only a two win difference between having a winning season and a loosing season. But I think you loose two wins by starting Cabrera. If I had faith in Dusty I’d have no issue. I don’t trust Dusty.

  43. per14

    Yeah. What I was trying to say is that if this team were poised to win 90+ games, then maybe these types of deals make sense. Because then, you need every win you can get. But, I don’t see a real difference between 80 and 82 wins. Or 83 and 85. Or 69 and 71. Etc.

  44. BJ Ruble

    So now the question is, who’s development will be stunted…If Cabrera is now the starting SS, then who will be the two bench spots? Janish plays only SS and Dusty must not like him at all, so I’d imagine that Sutton and Rosales win those spots, sending Janish to L’ville. That means Cozart will either have to split time with Janish in AAA, or go back to AA. He needs to be starting at AAA to get ready for possibly next year for the big club. Or is Janish going to fall from the default starter in the majors to a bench player in AAA?

  45. pinson343

    A final point for me, now that it looks like Cabrera has been signed. Much of the criticism of the signing of Cabrera has had to do with how Dusty will overuse him and underuse Janish. But suppose you’re the GM. Your job is to put together the best group of players you can and assume that the manager will use them well, even if that manager happens to be Dusty.
    You can’t make decisions based on guesses about how your manager might screw things up.

    And in terms of the 25 man roster, this means gaining Cabrera and losing either Rosales or Sutton (hopefully Rosales). I’ll take that.

    I too am concerned about what kind of chance Janish gets now. He was absurdly underplayed last year, when Gonzo and Hairston were around. When he did get to play, he certainly showed he belongs in the MLs, and his defense was superb. Hopefully that wull help him get playing time in 2010. GO REDS !!!

  46. TC

    Oh well. Unfortunately Janish created the situation with his weak hitting. But we’ll be talking about this signing for the next 9 1/2 months. They overpaid to the tune of 4 million which means Cabrera is now the starting SS. I hope this inspires Janish to practice, practice, practice his hitting. It might be just the wake up call he needs to focus on it. Maybe he’ll watch Votto at work a bit more.

    If you can hit, they’ll find a place for you. If you can’t you’ll be moved in favor of someone who can.

  47. Glenn

    I guess it’s a left over from the Gonzo signing but a 35 year old SS making 4 mil, scares me. There’s no way the Reds are going to fork out that much money and not make Cabrera the starter. I’m with TC on this. If Janish would have shown any offense, there wouldn’t be a need for this signing.

    Hopefully we won’t have to be posting TOS this season.