I received both for Christmas and finished “The Machine” already…and am reading “Game Six” right now…

Enjoyed “The Machine“…but believe I found at least one error..I don’t believe Waite Hoyt was on Reds Radio in the ’70’s…it went from Al Michaels to Marty along with Joe. He might have done TV for one season, but I don’t think he did radio.

Thus far, “Game Six” (and I’m only in the bottom of the first) seems like the Red Sox are the heroes and the Reds are the villains.

In Game Six, they say that Sparky campaigned hard for the Reds to get Joe Morgan (pg. 43), but I thought I read the opposite in “The Machine”…that he wasn’t in favor of the deal when it was made. Anyone remember what was said in “The Machine”?

16 Responses

  1. Mike

    I think the Machine said he wasn’t crazy about the trade but when Morgan arrived he assured him that whatever happened in the past didn’t matter.

  2. Jeff

    Reds Sign Josh Anderson To Minor League Deal
    By Mike Axisa [January 5 at 3:40pm CST]
    The Reds have signed outfielder Josh Anderson to a minor league deal with an invite to Spring Training, according to a tweet from MLB.com’s Mark Sheldon.

    The speedy outfielder has bounced around from Houston to Atlanta to Detroit to Kansas City in his brief big league career, during which he’s hit .272/.313/.352 in 519 plate appearances. Johnson has stolen 36 bases in 43 tries, though UZR says he’s a poor defender in center but strong on the corners.

  3. RiverCity Redleg

    Sounds like exactly the kind og guy Dusty likes.

  4. hoosierdad

    He bats LH and has had 4 HR in 519 plate appearances. This doesn’t seem to make much, if any, sense. Also, he turns 28 in August, so I don’t think there is a huge upside to him.

  5. Kevin Mitchell is Batman

    2009 Records…

    Cardinals: 91-71
    Reds: 78-84

    2009-2010 offseason…

    Cardinals: +Matt Holiday
    Reds: +Josh Anderson, -Jonny Gomes

    This is what Walt means by “we like what we’ve got,” I suppose. God its tough being a Reds fan these days.

    The only way this moves makes me smile is if we signed Anderson so we can DFA T-Virus…there’s only so much room for slap hitting, sub .300 OBP centerfielders, even on the Reds.

    • Matt WI

      You’re seeing what I’m seeing. What does Walt see? But hey, if 20 out of 25 guys have a career year, they could be right in this thing right? Buzz.

      Kevin Mitchell is Batman: 2009 Records…Cardinals: 91-71Reds: 78-842009-2010 offseason…Cardinals: +Matt HolidayReds: +Josh Anderson, -Jonny GomesThis is what Walt means by “we like what we’ve got,” I suppose. God its tough being a Reds fan these days. The only way this moves makes me smile is if we signed Anderson so we can DFA T-Virus…there’s only so much room for slap hitting, sub .300 OBP centerfielders, even on the Reds.

  6. Steve

    Anderson is a left-handed version of Willy Taveras. Same total lack of power. Same inability to walk to get on base, despite his only strength being the ability to steal bases.

    His OBP last year in nearly 300 AB was within .001 that of Willy Taveras.

    His CAREER OBP is only .313, so it’s not like we can hope that 2009 was just a down year. He’s never had a good year.

    Finally, he was so bad the Royals cut him.

    Just the kind of guy Baker will “have to have” out of spring training and find a way to give 200 useless AB during the season.

    Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results.

  7. JustTheFacts

    More mud for the water. More logs for the jam. More junk in the field. What is the purpose of this guy? The Reds have specific needs for the Outfield. Anderson doesn’t even have a place in Louisville. As far as I can see, Taveras is much better.

    A total waste of blog space.

  8. preach

    You may not believe me, but I swear I was debating between Josh Anderson and Amezega for the next Willy/Corey experiment. I just thought since Amezega was a shortstop as well as being an outfielder he had the ‘advantage’. I really didn’t guess they would go with the one trick pony. I thought ‘really, the guy is only 27 (same age as Amezega, BTW), but he lacks the versatility and at least Amezega can switch ‘hit’. Anderson came to me first, but I went with my more professional guess. I suppose I should have known better…..

    True, it’s just a minor league contract, but speed kills…

  9. Mark in CC

    I also got those two books as a retirement gift. I picked up the Waite Hoyt thing as well. It would have been TV not the radio.

    I guess I was a little disappointed in it. Was hoping for more inside stuff although the Griffey animosity was a lot greater than anyone knew. Although I think we all knew Bench was a jerk or A-hole as Griffey put it.

    I also thought it did not shed a real positive light on Sparky.

  10. JustTheFacts

    Sorry Bill. We got a bit off topic. Haven’t read them, but sound like interesting reads.

  11. John

    There was another mistake too in The Machine. Around page 134 (I think) when they’re talking about Sparky finding his favorite spot in the dugout, the author says Sparky turns to PITCHING COACH LARRY STARR. Starr was the Trainer. Larry Shepard was the PC!

  12. Steve Price

    According to “The Machine” Sparky did not like the trade (just looked it up). However, in another book, “Building the Big Red Machine,” much is made about Sparky actively CAMPAIGNING for getting Morgan. “Building the Machine” says that Morgan was the guy that Howsam, Ray Shore, and Anderson all wanted…I don’t have that book at my fingertips, but it more or less said that Sparky felt the Reds could win it all if they had Morgan, and that the Astros had been actively scouting both Perez and May for several months trying to decide which one they wanted. The negotiations apparently went on for months.

    A big difference in the two books is the attitude of Sparky. In “The Machine” I was amazed at how crass Sparky is portrayed, almost contemptible…especially to John Vukovich. “The 6th Game” portrays him much more like we the legend says…may be that was by design, but I was almost tearful in how Sparky cared for Bernie Carbo. The book even says that Sparky’s wife was rooting for Bernie in the 6th game when he homered to tie it.

    Carbo comes across as a real piece of work…”The Sixth Game” indicates he physically attacked Howsam during contract negotiations and ran over a vendor’s stand after finding out he was traded from the Red Sox.

    In Frost’s book (“Sixth Game”), Griffey comes across as making a whole bunch of fundamentally poor plays in the Series, to the point that I’m surprised he wasn’t pulled for his defense.

    As for leaning toward the Red Sox, I thought it was balanced, ebbing to and fro…after all, the Red Sox did win that one game.

    Another thing that surprised me was how difficult and “weasel” like Joe Garagiola was, even suggesting he re-record Dick Stockton’s call of the Fisk’s home run since Stockton was not yet a nationally known announcer.

    My favorite story in The Sixth Game was of Pete Rose bouncing down the street and gleefully jumping onto Sparky after the loss. He was going on and on about how great the game was, while Sparky was lamenting costing the Reds another Series. Rose more or less just said, “don’t worry about it, skipper, we’ll beat them tomorrow” and skipped on down the street.

    Both books were interesting….I think Posnanski’s “The Machine” is an easier read with more cursing….I think my young son could read “The Sixth Game” with some parental guidance. In my opinion, it’s kind of like reading the different Gospels in the Bible where the same story is told from different viewpoints and different perspectives and to different audiences.

  13. preach

    “Both books were interesting….I think Posnanski’s “The Machine” is an easier read with more cursing….I think my young son could read “The Sixth Game” with some parental guidance. In my opinion, it’s kind of like reading the different Gospels in the Bible where the same story is told from different viewpoints and different perspectives and to different audiences.”

    Nice illustration. I LIKE it.

  14. pinson343

    Both books sound like a “must read.” I read a book (forget the name) about the 1975 WS whose basic premise was that (quoting Carlton Fisk) the Red Sox won the Series, 3 games to 4. They “clinched” when they won Game 6, Game 7 was an insignificant afterthought. This was a collective New England fantasy until they finally did win a WS.

    Carbo was definitely a wild and crazy dude. Just before the HR off Eastwick, he had a terrible swing. It all gave me a bad feeling.

    Griffey pulled for his defense ? Not likely, the Machine didn’t have a lot of positional depth.
    Griffey had key late hits in the 2 wins at Boston. Plus Sparky liked to have a very set lineup.
    Sparky did say after the ’76 WS that the Reds did not play well in the ’75 WS. Any mention of that ?

    Joe Garagiola was a piece of work. He thought he was a comedian, and I never heard a single funny thing come out of his mouth. The high-pitched squeal, the same idiotic comments over and over: “Like Yogi says …” “Steve Garvey … the Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval.” When the Reds got scre*ed in 1981, he kept repeating that they didn’t belong in the postseason, because of “the intangibles.” Whatever that meant.