Mark Sheldon and John Fay and C. Trent are busily pecking away on their keyboards, but you have to feel sorry for them since it’s quite clear that the Reds aren’t going to do anything of note during baseball’s winter meetings. You have to wonder why Walt Jocketty even bothered going to Indianapolis. What a waste of time.

Only item of slight interest — other than the re-emergence of Leatherpants — was this one:

As for arbitration-eligible outfielder Jonny Gomes, there was no sign that a deal was imminent.

“We met with his agent today. We’re still a ways apart,” Jocketty said.

There is a Saturday deadline to tender an offer to Gomes. If he is non-tendered, Gomes would become a free agent.

So there you have it. Winter Meetings Fever: Catch It!

29 Responses

  1. preach

    After hearing items like the Yankees/Tigers/Dbacks trade yesterday, this is even harder to bear.

    Yawn.

  2. Mark in CC

    I just do not see many matches out there for the Reds. When I hear the Mets and Brewers are considering a Maine for Hart trade it puts into perspective what is considered value for value in this market. I think there is probably interest out there for Phillips, Cordero, Arroyo and maybe Harang but with the size of their contracts the value in return would not be equivilent in quality of talent. It will be tough to shed payroll.

    Maybe in Arroyo’s case rather than a trade they should try for an extension which might make him more valuable at a deadline trade.

    The only people we will be able to get equal value for are the young guys and they are more valuable to the Reds than who could be acquired. Yonder is probably the only guy who could bring more value than he is worth to the Reds (considering they already have Votto).

  3. GregD

    Is non-tendering Gomes still a possibility? It sounds like they’ll offer him arbitration and settle on a midde figure.

  4. Dan

    I do love Gomes, but non-tendering him isn’t crazy. He’s not really “buy low” anymore — he’ll come at market value now, which I bet is over $2 million.

    Balentien MIGHT provide similar production, and he’d definitely be cheaper. Plus Balentien is out of options — sending him to Louisville is not an option.

    All in all, though, the best news would be cutting Taveras. He just doesn’t help the team, and even more than that, it would show me that the Reds braintrust a) is paying attention to production on the field, and b) is willing to admit a mistake and cut bait if it makes the team better.

    I’ve not been convinced of either of those things recently.

    • GregD

      Dan: b) is willing to admit a mistake and cut bait if it makes the team better.I’ve not been convinced of either of those things recently.

      Actually, I thought it was that kind of thing, having to cut bait on too many mistakes, that cost Krivsky his job.

  5. Dan

    Any opinions on Jamey Carroll, the almost-36-year-old infielder? He’s got a career .273/.351/.350 batting line.

    I like his OBP, which this team needs badly… but besides that, I don’t like it. Couldn’t Drew Sutton and/or Adam Rosales do this job just as well, maybe better? And for less money?

    Carroll has not played SS since 2007, by the way.

    I’m afraid it’s just another case of the Reds braintrust overvaluing “veteranness.”

    • pinson343

      @Dan: Dan, there’s a lot of debate about Carroll vs. Sutton toward the end of the Around the Interwebs thread.

  6. preach

    @JustTheFacts:

    I think “I like our team” means “We might not be that good, but it’s what we are going with” in coach speak.

    I really like ice cream, but I wouldn’t try to hit with a waffle cone.

  7. Andy

    @pinson343:

    Just to add a little to your quote:
    “I like our team” sounds to me like “This team is cute, they might even play .500, but I wouldn’t hold my breath.”

  8. Redsfanx

    How will the braintrust like it when it’s the 10th. losing season in a row and attendance sinks below 1,700,000? 😥

  9. Mark in CC

    @GregD:

    I believe nontendering Gomes is a real possibility and probably the correct decision. I am not sure his arbitration value is a gamble the Reds can take. I also think their money would be better spent on Balentein.

    Free Willy is good. I understand the Mets might be interested if the Reds would take Luis Castillo. Probably not going to happen as that would increase the payroll.

    • GregD

      Mark in CC: @GregD: I believe nontendering Gomes is a real possibility and probably the correct decision. I am not sure his arbitration value is a gamble the Reds can take. I also think their money would be better spent on Balentein.

      You called that one. The Reds agree with you.

  10. preach

    I want no part of that big of a contract for a mid 30’s second baseman. Of course if that’s what it would take to dump Willy, Welcome aboard Luis.

  11. pinson343

    @preach: Amen. And let’s not forget that Willy’s contract is $4M.

  12. David

    Couple of points of interest. Willy Taveras was the only Red, save Bailey and Janish (absent attending fJanish’s wedding), who wasn’t at Redsfest and no explanation has been provided.

    The Rangers expressed interest in Arthur Rhodes.

    I won’t be surprised to see Gomes traded, as he has some decent value and the Reds own his rights. There is a logjam in LF in Francisco and Heisey. The depth chart at a Reds corporate event in October listed Heisey as the No. 1 LF.

    The Reds are trying to move Cordero.

  13. catcard202

    The #1 priority should be moving WillyT. Package him around a couple prospects that really aren’t in the clubs long-term plans…and dump his salary.

    I’d also work at trying to move Rhodes to someone like the Angels…who has middle infielders they’d be willing to part ways with. Maicer Izturis for Rhodes maybe??? Pretty even salary swap…and he’d definitely fit the bill as a UTL guy that can play SS & hit better than Janish.

    I’d also tender Gomes, go the ARB track & then trade him…Anything in return is better than letting him walk by non-tendering him…and after a productive 2009, he has some trade value. As stated above Balentein is a candidate to get his AB’s in the LF platoon w/ Dickerson.

  14. Sultan of Swaff

    I like what I’m hearing from today’s update from Fay–namely Walt is talking to Craig Counsell’s agent. Counsell would be an excellent fit. I’d be completely comfortable w/ him and Janish. Offer a one year deal w/ an option and get it done. He could be a good mentor for Janish and Cozart…….and the guy can still play!

  15. brublejr

    @Dan: The CHONES has them just about identical for their projections. (Balentien and Gomes that is)

  16. brublejr

    @Dan: I’d personally stick with Sutton or Rosales over Carrol at this point. The only value Carrol has for me would be spinning him off on someone else at the deadline, but he really isn’t going to bring any value back I wouldn’t think.

  17. Mark in CC

    They should keep Rhodes. If they do not contend then think about moving him at the deadline. But he is excellent and we should keep what is excellent.

    I don’t get the Carrol thing. I guess I would rather have someone like David Ekstein or Counsel than Carrol.

    I can’t imagine Counsel being cheap. He had good numbers again last year.

    • pinson343

      Mark in CC: They should keep Rhodes. If they do not contend then think about moving him at the deadline. But he is excellent and we should keep what is excellent.

      I agree about Rhodes, despite his age. A LHed reliever who gets LHed hitters out, when was the last time we had that ?

  18. Mark in CC

    @pinson343: Castillo is going to get $6 Million the next 2 years. Boy talk about a bad contract to try to move.

    • preach

      Yeah, that’s why they would have to take a Willy in return for that albatross.

      Mark in CC: @pinson343: Castillo is going to get $6 Million the next 2 years. Boy talk about a bad contract to try to move.

  19. preach

    The only advantage to me of Counsell opposed to Carroll at this stage in their careers is that Counsell is left handed. For the money difference, and the age thing (Isn’t Counsell 40, or close?)I would talk prefer Carroll. Of course, I think Sutton could be just as efficient for a lot less.

  20. David

    Why would the Reds be interested in Castillo? Castillo is strictly a 2B. He provides no utility options. That said, I like that the Reds are looking at guys with a plus .350 OBP in Carroll, Counsel and, if true, Castillo. That’s progress folks.

  21. Mark in CC

    @David: I don’t think there is reason to believe the Castillo thing will happen. But it goes to show what it would take to get rid of Taveras.