John Fay’s column yesterday was an attempt to list reasons why the Reds shouldn’t trade Brandon Phillips and/or Bronson Arroyo. It’s all based on the premise that the Reds might be able to compete in 2010.

Personally, I think that’s silly; I don’t think there’s any way the Reds can compete next year. This is not a good team. So go ahead and trade Phillips and Arroyo, right?

Well, I don’t trust the powers that be to get a good return for either guy. This is a front office that evaluated Willy Taveras and decided he was worth a two-year contract, when everyone else in the world knew that was insane. So don’t trade Phillips and Arroyo, right?

Who knows? I bet you guys and gals have an opinion, though.

16 Responses

  1. CeeKeR

    I’m sick of waiting ’til next year. Maybe the front office should decide to increase payroll and actually ADD to players like Phillips and Arroyo so that the Reds could become a good team. There aren’t exactly a lot of powerhouses in the NL Central right now so it’s not like it would take a ton of new people to make a difference…

    • RiverCity Redleg

      CeeKeR: Maybe the front office should decide to increase payroll and actually ADD to players like Phillips and Arroyo so that the Reds could become a good team.

      Ding Ding Ding… we have a winner. My thoughts exactly, CeeKer.

  2. wanderinredsfan

    I like Brandon, but given his escalating contract, this off-season is the perfect time to trade him and get a good return. It becomes much more difficult by July, and most likely impossible next off-season. Since we aren’t winning anything in 2010, then there is no reason to keep Brandon around, especially with the huge amount of depth we have at second base. And please, I don’t want to hear any arguments of how we can ‘compete’ next season. We aren’t passing St. Louis, and the wild-card is a pipe dream, especially with the increasing depth of talent within the NL West.

    As for Arroyo, I’m not sure what kind of value he actually has. His value might be it’s highest mid-season. However, that’s a big risk, especially if he puts up a stinker of a first-half similar to last season. If I was a GM, I’d prefer Harang over Arroyo, even with the recent injury history. Harang looked really good right before his appendectomy. A well-rested Harang could break-out and have a monster season.

    • Matt WI

      wanderinredsfan: As for Arroyo, I’m not sure what kind of value he actually has. His value might be it’s highest mid-season. However, that’s a big risk, especially if he puts up a stinker of a first-half similar to last season. If I was a GM, I’d prefer Harang over Arroyo, even with the recent injury history. Harang looked really good right before his appendectomy. A well-rested Harang could break-out and have a monster season.

      Arroyo could have a first half of the season like he did last year, and then his value won’t be quite so high. I don’t see how he could ever top the second half stats he put up this past season, and so to me, that makes his value highest. Also, I hope you’re right about Harang… and in that case, I’d rather have him on our team. So trade Arroyo now while his stock is riding the wave of dominating the second half of the season, keep Harang and Phillips.

      Also, this opinion is only based on the idea somebody MUST go, otherwise I agree with Ceeker.

  3. Drew Nelson

    A) Okay Chad why if this team stays healthy couldn’t it compete with the Cards for the division?

    B)How did the Cards become the franchise they are with Walt running it?

  4. Dan

    Reds just re-signed Hernandez, apparently. One-year deal with a 2nd year option that vests automatically if he plays 120 games. Dollars unknown.

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/10379058/Reds-re-sign-catcher-Hernandez

    Keeping older players for a year or two too long is a very good way to wind up being on-the-hook for bad contracts. I hope this turns out fine, but catcher is a very tough position to play. A lot of catchers – even very good ones – are DONE at age 34.

    Anyway… like I said, I hope Ramon is healthy and back to being himself, and I hope the dollars are reasonable. I’d rather not be on the hook for another bad contract.

  5. GRF

    I will just throw out there that the 2b free agent market appears to be pretty strong and deep (Hudson, Lopez, Polanco, maybe Uggla via trade) and it never has been a “premium” position. The GMs know about Phillips escalating contract and I really question if we would get much more than salary relief in a trade.

    If it was up to me, I would move him back to SS and let one of the kids take a shot at 2b, but that seems like a pipe dream. In a perfect world, I would go out and sign Hudson to a 2 year deal and move Phillips to SS but that is obviously out of the question.

    • David

      GRF: I will just throw out there that the 2b free agent market appears to be pretty strong and deep (Hudson, Lopez, Polanco, maybe Uggla via trade) and it never has been a “premium” position. The GMs know about Phillips escalating contract and I really question if we would get much more than salary relief in a trade.If it was up to me, I would move him back to SS and let one of the kids take a shot at 2b, but that seems like a pipe dream. In a perfect world, I would go out and sign Hudson to a 2 year deal and move Phillips to SS but that is obviously out of the question.

      How many of those that you mentioned would be able to play SS? The interesting aspect of BP is that teams see him capable of playing 2B or SS and in the case of the Blue Jays, 3B.

      To me the question can be answered after evaluating Frazier. If Frazier is ready to play a good defensive 2B while having a slash line close to BP’s then it’s a tough call to make. You could argue it either way. If Frazier is brutal at 2B then why make the change?

  6. Glenn

    If the Reds would actually increase payroll and correspondingly increase the teams competiveness attendance would also go up. Sometimes you have to spend money to make money.

    • preach

      Glenn: If the Reds would actually increase payroll and correspondingly increase the teams competiveness attendance would also go up. Sometimes you have to spend money to make money.

      That’s just crazy talk. You bloggers just don’t understand baseball…..

  7. EKyRedsFan

    I agree Chad. It seems like year after year we’re caught in a “catch 22/twilight zone” of crap.

  8. Drew Nelson

    No what we have is an owner who doesn’t grasp the economics of pro sports and how it is differnt the owning a retail business. Until we get an owner who understands how sports ecomonics works, we are always going to have money issues.

  9. justcorbly

    Teams should trade anyone and everyone depending on what they get in return. There’s nothing to gain by declaring certain players can’t be traded.

  10. jason1972

    @justcorbly: I agree with what you are saying on some levels. But there is still something to be said about developing a team identity that appeals to the fans. I think part of that is developing a core of players with a long tenure. I don’t know if it keeps butts in the seats, but in a place like Cincinnati, it seems plausible that it would.

  11. earl

    I’m good with them standing pat, but if a right deal comes, they can make it happen. Phillips and Arroyo, while definitely not perfect, you know what you can get out of them as players. Arroyo is a good middle of the staff guy, he puts a lot of innings in the book. While Phillips may never get as good as some Reds fans think he could be, he is still very good defensive second basemen with some power.

    Yanks are probably going to want to get a starter to keep the depth of their staff up. The Angels are also going to need a starter. I’d think Arroyo is a name and player they would pay.

    The guy who I wonder if the Reds could get on a bargain and maybe get lucky with is Conor Jackson from the D-Backs. Jackson had a weird illness that took him out last year. The guy is supposedly doing pretty well in Winterball.

  12. LARKIN IS A H.O.F'ER

    😛 first of all to anyone who doesnt think we will be competative is crazy! we have one of the youngest,most talented knit of guys we’ve had in forever. give drew stubbs a chance to play 120-160 games at cf,he’ll blow up. plus with the thought of bringin yonder up this year and movin joey to rf is nothing less than intriguing to me. yes we signed aroldis and have no clue what we’re gettin other than a flame throwin young lefty(thank god a lefty finally) if it all pans out look at this…..harang,arroyo,cueto,chapman,bailey(to his potntial) and edison as soon as he’s ready……..we will compete with anyone for years to come…..where we need to spend money now is for a good,solid hitting and defensive shortstop and we;ll be just fine…..GO REDS!!!!!!!!!!!!