Well, Francisco Cordero blew another game last night. This is getting old.

As great as CoCo has been for most of the season (and he’s been lights out much of the time), he’s been pretty bad lately. I know it was a topic of discussion in the game thread last night, and RHM is asking whether CoCo has been overused.

Cordero has pitched in five straight games, and six of the last seven. This comes on the heels of a bad stretch a couple of weeks ago where it was clear that CoCo was exhausted…yet Dusty Baker kept running him out there night after night.

Are we crazy? Is Dusty mis-using the Reds highest-paid asset late in this lost season? I dunno, but the signs are not encouraging.

18 Responses

  1. brublejr

    The biggest problem I think along with overusing him the past week, he used Masset in the same games so he is tired also. It is not such a problem getting Coco rest if Masset is available to close a game. But apparently Dusty feels that only a closer can pitch in a “save” situation.

  2. preach

    Have to agreee with brublejr. CoCo is an excellent pitcher, when not used more than 3 days in a row. At this point in the season, it doesn’t make sense, unless Dusty is trying to pad stats. Does Cordero have an incentive clause he is trying to reach?

    This would be a good time to find out what you have at the back end of the bullpen besides CoCo in games that matter (for at least the other teams)to truly assess where we are next year. Heck, even if we can’t move CoCo because of salary, if we give a couple of guys auditions as a closer and they prove successful they could bring us some help elsewhere in the offseason.

    This is an example of the ‘players manager’ hurting the team both short and long term, IMO.

  3. Mr. Redlegs

    Last night was utterly ridiculous. There is no CoCo problem; there is a problem with the way he’s been handled.

  4. Deaner

    Same thoughts here… there’s no good reason to use CoCo like this at this point in the season. If we were in a playoff race, I would excuse it but let’s see what some of the others guys can do in pressure situations.

    Maybe Walt told Dusty to pad CoCo’s stats so the Reds can get more in a trade for him…

  5. shane

    Well that’s my problem with it, what if we WERE in the playoffs? We couldn’t use our expensive closer more than 3 days in a row? Other teams have closers that they can use 4 and 5 days in a row, if Cordero is really worth the money we are paying him, we should be able to depend on him to get the job done. Sheesh, can’t pitch more than 40-60 effective pitches over a 3 day span for the kind of money he’s making? bull.

  6. Joel

    Not sure what constitutes lately, but I can’t find any indication that Cordero has been “bad” for more than one game at a time this season. His worst stretch, when you selective bookend games, has been his last 22 games when he has a 3.54 ERA. Don’t mistake no longer being perfect, which he basically was up until that point, with being bad.

    And yes, it was stupid to use him in last night’s game. Dusty’s insistence on precise roles for each player consistently leads to stupid decisions. What’s sad is that we could all write a computer program to do exactly what he does strategically because there is absolutely no creativity to it.

  7. Mike

    The guy has 4 blown saves in 42 chances. At what point are we asking too much?
    Maybe he’s being used too much(good problem to have) or maybe its the dreaded regression to the mean.

  8. Mr. Redlegs

    Mike: The guy has 4 blown saves in 42 chances. At what point are we asking too much?
    Maybe he’s being used too much(good problem to have) or maybe its the dreaded regression to the mean.

    Mike: The guy has 4 blown saves in 42 chances. At what point are we asking too much?
    Maybe he’s being used too much(good problem to have) or maybe its the dreaded regression to the mean.

    @Mike: Exactly, but there’s also six losses.

  9. RedinFla

    Ditto to pretty much everything here. Also, couldn’t Masset be kept in for two innings here and there when several games in a row have been close?
    Then again, that might be straying from the “formula” …

  10. RedBlooded

    As I have said elsewhere Dusty’s use of CoCo lately is absurd. It is not the only absurd, absurd, ABSURD!!! decisions Dusty makes. He seems to have hole in his brain around certain issues. Taveras and Patterson being prime evidence. Those decisions make no rational sense. I’m concerned for the guy. Honestly.

  11. doktor

    Redblooded, unless it comes out he actually has a mental medical issue, he acts way too arrogantly and makes too much money for me to waste any concern over Dusty.

  12. Redsfanx

    Cordero has had a good season overall, but it seems to often he has a runner or two on base before he closes it out.

  13. JasonL

    Not sure if anyone else has seen it, but fay has a snippet from Jocketty about plans for next year. Apparently, Stubbs is going to be the starter, at least, at first.

  14. earl

    2002 World Series, Game 6– That game will tell you everything you need to know about Dusty Baker and using the bullpen. I’m sure Giants fans won’t forget.

    It isn’t talked like the Red Sox in 86, but that was a pretty monumental flop.

  15. Dave

    If Balentiene catches a fly ball last night COCO closes that game…….

  16. Drew Nelson

    This is a manager issue. Coco should have never gone to the mound in that game. THEN in last nights game, there is no reason to leave Bronson in the game after the strong 7 innings. You have a bullpen for a reason and it’s a very good bullpen. Last night the Marlins showed “HOW” to use a bullpen to win a game and again Dusty was shown for for not knowing how to use a bullpen.

  17. pinson343

    I made my thoughts clear on Friday nite. I don’t think it’s a CoCo problem. It’s a prime example of what is wrong with Dusty Baker as a manager.

    CoCo’s actually fairly predictable. If you don’t use him for more than 3-4 days, then he’ll have trouble throwing strikes in his first game back. But he’ll almost always settle down and get a nervous save. He’s very good when pitching the 2nd nite in a row. The third nite in a row, he’s more hittable. The 4th nite in a row is very risky. A 5th nite in a row is insanity.

    I agree with the comments about Dusty’s inflexibility. For the 4 nites in a row that Masset and CoCo both pitched in winning games, they both had low pitch counts in all 4 games. You didn’t NEED to use both of them in all 4 of those games. They actually could have taken turns pitching 2 inning saves, and at least one of them would have been fresh enough for 2 innings on Friday nite. When you consider Rhodes, the situation was even more avoidable.

  18. pinson343

    Dave: If Balentiene catches a fly ball last night COCO closes that game…….

    It is worth noting that CoCo did not allow a single earned run in Friday’s blown save. But that doesn’t change the fact that he was pitching on fumes, throwing one hanging slider after another.