Yeah, CoCo blew another game (more on that later), but one thing occurs to me after today’s game:

Homer Bailey is good.

(Although, for the life of me, I can’t figure out why Dusty Baker feels compelled to let Bailey throw so many pitches in meaningless games.)

31 Responses

  1. RedBlooded

    I would like to hear from all those who said we had to get rid of Bailey. Absolutely had to. That he needed a change of scene. That he would never be a good pitcher in Cincy. The his fastball was completely flat. That he was such a head case he could never pitch well. Could I just hear a little humble pie being eaten? I will be gracious.

  2. Steve

    Well, it’s because Baker is an old-school, out of it, fool.

  3. mike

    while watching today’s game I had two thoughts

    1. Bailey could be our ace next year
    2. Oh how I wish Volquez didn’t not get injured or would be pitching next season

    I imagined
    Volquez
    Cueto
    Bailey
    Harang
    Arroyo

    maybe we can trade Owings for Dunn

  4. pinson343

    This blown save is not on Cordero. He’s pitched brilliantly 4 nites in a row. How can the idiot use him for a 5th nite in a row ? Cordero has a very high ERA when used 4 nites in a row. Baker also used Masset for a 5th nite in a row.

    In last nite’s comments I said I assumed neither Cordero nor Masset would be used tonite.

    Maybe we would have blown the game without them. But now that we used both and blew the game anyway, we not only lose tonite, what are we going to do if we have a late lead tomorrow nite ?

  5. doktor

    glad to read homer was dominate, not so happy with 117 pitches. especially this is 6th straight start at 114+ pitches.

    also discouraged to see despite all the time missed by Willie T, he is still 3rd on the team in plate appearance.

    and no reason given from the radio or tv guys why bruce did not play? arm soreness or something? otherwise it makes no sense.

  6. doktor

    masset now used 7 times in 8 days. coco in 5 straight. guess we dont need to count on them next year. or am i just be overly critical of dusty/pole handling of the bullpen?

  7. GregD

    Who sees the surgeon first, Bailey or Cueto?

    Second time in the past month he’s overused Cordero. WTH?

  8. mike

    I think the worst part about the over use of the pitchers is that this time of year not only are the Reds out of it but the bullpen is FULL of pitchers.

    he could have probably gone L/R matchups all the way through the 8th and 9th and still not used all the pitchers

  9. preach

    @pinson343:

    My feelings exactly. EVERYONE knows Cordero’s history being used 3+ nights in a row. Who thought this was a good idea? Oh, and what happened to Burton? Sheesh.

  10. TheNaturalmevs

    Homer Bailey is an absolute stud in-waiting. Would have been this way a while back but they choose to wait to give him his 25-30 starts to grow. He’s going to be a monster at this level very soon if he doesn’t have arm troubles. That’s the only question anymore. He now has the polish, the confidence, the stuff. The consistency will only come with time. He has it.

  11. Steve

    pinson343: This blown save is not on Cordero. He’s pitched brilliantly 4 nites in a row. How can the idiot use him for a 5th nite in a row ? Cordero has a very high ERA when used 4 nites in a row. Baker also used Masset for a 5th nite in a row.

    In last nite’s comments I said I assumed neither Cordero nor Masset would be used tonite.

    Maybe we would have blown the game without them. But now that we used both and blew the game anyway, we not only lose tonite, what are we going to do if we have a late lead tomorrow nite ?

    Yep.

  12. broadwaydave

    does walt jocketty have any clue that nobody, and i mean nobody, thinks this moron is a good manager?

  13. RedBlooded

    Dusty’s decision making is absolutely mind boggling. Can there be anyone? ANYONE? who can not see that this man is TOTALLY out of touch with reality? The Reds have been mathematically eliminated from contention. Is there any earthly reason to drive your pitchers into the ground? This would be questionable if they were driving for the pennant. Now? Mind boggling!!!!

  14. pinson343

    Definitely could have gone with L/R matchups in the 8th and 9th. Herrera and Fisher have both shown they can pitch when it’s late and close, and Ramirez has pitched well of late.

    Also Rhodes has also been overused, but would have been a better choice tonite to close than CoCo.

    The biggest concern is the health of these pitchers’ arms. Next year Cueto, Bailey, Masset, Rhodes, CoCo could all go down, joining Volquez on the DL.

  15. pinson343

    As far as not using Bruce much, I would hope it’s because our manager (whose name I don’t even want to mention) is concerned about his wrist and is bringing him back slowly. For whatever reason, Bruce cannot hit right now.

  16. pinson343

    RedBlooded: Dusty’s decision making is absolutely mind boggling. Can there be anyone? ANYONE? who can not see that this man is TOTALLY out of touch with reality? The Reds have been mathematically eliminated from contention. Is there any earthly reason to drive your pitchers into the ground? This would be questionable if they were driving for the pennant. Now? Mind boggling!!!!

    Yep.

  17. broadwaydave

    @RedBlooded: it’s almost like he thinks we’re in a pennant race. has anyone informed him that we’ve been mathematically eliminated?

  18. TheNaturalmevs

    I’m worried that Jay Bruce is never going to be the same. We’re not gonna see a spark this year.

  19. pinson343

    According to GameDay, all 4 hits Cordero gave up (plus Uggla’s run scoring ground ball) were on sliders that stayed up and in the strike zone. After throwing a lot of pitches to the first two batters, he threw almost nothing but sliders.

    Sounds like fatigue to me.

  20. Kurt Frost

    If there was a save opportunity in all 162 games would Dusty run coco out there for every freaking game? The man is a moron!

  21. Steve

    I watched a replay of the ninth inning. Cordero kept throwing his slider because his fastball had no jump. It was in the 87-90 range. The sliders just “spun like a cement mixer” to quote Jeff Brantley. It’s true that the Marlins didn’t really hit the ball hard, but they did hit it.

    This loss was very avoidable. I’d be curious to see if any other manager all year long has used their closer five consecutive nights.

  22. John

    Sigh. Dusty Baker strikes again.

    Does he still work for the Cubs, like on the sly?

  23. brublejr

    I am going to be in the big time minority on this one but I for one don’t have a problem with Bailey throwing that many pitches if he is comfortable and strong. It would be something completely differently if he were laboring over the last 15 pitches. There is an excellent article over on Cnati.com talking to Bailey about this. He has taken on the Nolan Ryan philosphy.

    Cueto on the other hand, for me, needs to be shut down. I think he has a more violent motion and seems to be laboring during his starts.

    Coco should never had been put into the game, plain and simple. I know he had not thrown that many pitches over each of his last 4 nights but they still add up, especially when you factor in all the warm up pitches and whatnot. And to use Masset each of those games as well, is simply stupid because now you have both unavailable for Saturday and possibly Sunday. If they don’t have other guys in the pen who can get guys out; ship out the guys that are there and bring in new blood.

  24. Travis G.

    You’re not the only one, brublejr; I don’t have a problem with Bailey throwing 110+ as long as the velocity and movement are still there, which they have been. He has been very, very good, and legitimately appears to have turned the corner.

    But … I fear the Verducci effect:

    Sports Illustrated writer Tom Verducci has compiled a list of starting pitchers that he considers to be particularly risky heading into the next season. Verducci’s list is based on the concept that a young starter (age 25 or below) is at an increased risk of injury if he surpasses his innings pitched total from the previous season by 30 frames or more.

    Bailey’s combined MLB and minor-league innings total for the past three seasons, including 2009 so far, are: 120.2, 137.2 and 177.0.

  25. The Mad Hatter

    @brublejr: I’m with you. When I have been able to watch Homer pitch, he doesn’t seem to be laboring as the pitch grows. There have been exceptions and I am no expert into how he feels but I like seeing him stretched out.

  26. mike

    Bailey in his last 6 starts
    3-1 1.83 ERA, nearly a SO per inning, hitters hitting .236/.315/.318 against him

    this includes a game against the Dodgers, a game in Colorado, in Chicago and last night vs florida. In other words against mostly good offenses besides the starts against Pitt

    during roughly the same time period
    Arroyo is 3-2 with a 1.67 ERA
    Cueto is 1-0 with a 2.76

    we have 3 pitchers pitching lights out and the team record in those starts?
    only 10-7

  27. preach

    “we have 3 pitchers pitching lights out and the team record in those starts?
    only 10-7″*

    *Wait for it: T O S !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  28. justcorbly

    I was arguing to dumo Bailey if he did not pass this last test. He has, with flying colors.

    I’m from the school that says starters ought to be able and expected to pitch 9 innings every time they take the mound. So, it seems reasonable to me that Baker would allow Bailey’s pitch count to increase during meaningless end-of-season games.

    You remove a starter not because you’re counting pitches, but beause he can’t get anyone out. Doing otherwise just means guys like Cordero are unnecessarily overused.

  29. RC

    TheNaturalmevs: I’m worried that Jay Bruce is never going to be the same.

    The same as he was just before he got hurt? I certainly hope not.

  30. Steve Price

    Who says starting pitchers have to go 9 innings?

    Starters from the early 1900’s did so because they “paced” themselves. they didn’t throw 100% all the time. They also rarely threw as hard as today’s pitchers.

    Some pitchers from the 1960’s threw more because the rules were designed to help pitchers. They had wider strike zones and better trajectories to aid them. they threw fewer pitchers. The ones that threw usually broke down (see…Gary Nolan…), especially when they threw a lot when young.

    What’s Homer supposed to say…”take me out, coach?”

    Dusty is now playing for Dusty to get as many wins as possible…this is not investing in the team’s future…this is Dusty future…