Time for a recap of tonight’s titanic struggle….

Cincinnati 2
Los Angeles 6
WP: Billingsley (10-5)
LP: Arroyo (10-9)


–Okay, one: Joey Votto continues to be a stud.


–C’mon, Nick Masset. We need better than that.

–There were so many amateurish moments for the Reds in this game, it’s difficult to mention them all. So I’m not even going to try.

–This team cannot hit, they cannot field, and they cannot pitch many nights lately.

–Well, that series was painful to watch. How many times do we have to endure these pathetic west coast trips?

–I stayed up late to watch all three games. I must be out of my mind.

–Bronson Arroyo actually pitched pretty well until the very end. And, to be fair, Masset pitched well except for the one pitch that lost the ballgame.

–Whether you like Manny Ramirez or not, you have to concede that he is simply a great hitter. He pinch-hits with the bases loaded in a tie ballgame. One pitch later, he has crushed a grand slam and the game was effectively over.

–Six games under .500. That’s the low-water mark for the team this year. A musical interlude, anyone?

*This offense stinks.

37 Responses

  1. pinson343

    Lots of bad plays tonite, even before Masset throwing one right into Manny’s wheelhouse.

    Arroyo deserved a better fate.

    This has gotten very boring.

  2. pinson343

    Add to the list: This is also a bad baserunning club.

  3. pinson343

    Hey, I thought of a positive.
    Arroyo’s trade value has gone up a little more.

  4. AnnapolisRed

    I don’t know if you trade Arroyo. I certainly am not counting on Bailey next year and Owings is a question as is Volquez and is health.

  5. AnnapolisRed

    This might have been the worst game yet. They were lucky to even score the second run after having first and third and nobody out. This offense has gone from bad to worse.

  6. doktor

    Mike and Mike on ESPN this morning were laughing at how “dumb struck” Dusty looked in the dugout after the hit/HR of She-Manny. Little do they know that is a common occurrence for Dusty.

    Swept by the Dodgers again. :poke: That sucks.

  7. Matthew

    Now that the season is effectively over, lets move on to more important topics such as end of season awards. I have a question for the group: Assuming Votto qualifies with enough at bats, will he win the batting title this year? And, if so, who was the last Red to win the batting title?


  8. WORLD

    The Pirates are moving up as they are obviously trying to improve the team through trades and personnel shifts. At least they’re doing something!

    Big Bob can’t be happy. And when the Reds supplant the Bucs at the bottom of the Central Division pond, look out.

    Is Walt J. still around? There’s so many moves to be made and I’m not seeing any of consequence.

    Look out? Look out below.

  9. GregD

    Jock’s not doing anything.
    Look at these nuggets from the Enquirer blog before last night’s game:

    Walt Jocketty says he’s not ready to write off the season. “Nothing’s changed,” he said. “Our position hasn’t changed. We’re still 5 1/2 games out. We’re still looking for ways to improve the club.”

    There’s one caveat in that. “We’re not going to do anything for the short-term,” he said. That means the Reds won’t be trading young players for rent-a-players, i.e., players who become free agents at the season’s end.

    There were two trades Wednesday. The Boston Red Sox sent shortstop Julio Lugo to St. Louis for outfielder Chris Duncan. The Pirates traded Adam LaRoche to Boston for prospects.

    Jocketty said the Reds aren’t close to anything. “I don’t expect anything to happen until we get closer to the deadline,” he said.

    Asked if he was inclined to hold onto the veterans, he said: “Yeah, we’re still trying to win.”

    “I still think we have a run in us,” Jocketty said. “The most telling stat is our starting eight have only played together 10 games. Getting (Alex Gonzalez) back will help. (Edinson) Volquez will be back in the next couple of weeks. That will help.”

    I’ve said it in the past and I’ll say it again. They are using the player injuries as an excuse to why they are not winning and are not doing any real gut checks to see that a lot of these guys are not as good as they think they are.

    This team isn’t losing because Gonzalez is out.

    IMO, they aren’t making moves just like they didn’t make moves last year because they are shooting for .500 instead of making moves to make the 2010 team better than .500. Dunn & Griffey were only traded at the last minute last year because other teams came calling. According to Jock, he wasn’t looking to move either guy last year.

  10. Matt WI

    I’m willing to let go of .500 for this season if they can shape the team with better talent for 2010. I think most of us placed an emphasis on .500 this year because that’s what the team presented as, not because you have to get to .500 one year and then contend the next. It doesn’t have to be a linear progression. Look no further than the Rays.

  11. Glenn

    They sure don’t make it easy to be a Reds fan.

  12. RiverCity Redleg

    Question: How does Brook Jacoby still have a job?

  13. Sultan of Swaff

    Absolutely correct Matt, everything from here on out has to be directed at getting better next season.*it kills me to type that…..again*
    I’ll repeat what I posted before, this team has a lot of tradeable veterans who have real value to a contending team. The only problem is, you usually just get prospects in return. We need to fill specific holes, and that makes the process that much harder.

  14. Glenn

    Good question River City and to Chad’s original post. I HOPE this is the low point in the season! They may not have reached it yet.

  15. Glenn

    You’re right Sultan. Why do we always trade for prospects. Can’t the Reds trade for a starter every once in a while.

  16. Sultan of Swaff

    Game thoughts:
    I’m still mad at Dusty for his misplaced anger. Where is the righteous Dusty anger at Hairston? As Gump says, stupid is as stupid does. Getting thrown out at third w/ no one out is dumber than forgetting to run out a sure flyball out.
    Where’s the anger at Masset? He pitched to Manny’s default hitting zone, low and in. Our scouts have to be the worst.
    To a lesser degree, where’s the anger at Nix? You never dive for a ball down the line unless you’re sure you can catch it, because you have no backup! It goes from a single w/ men on first and second to a run scoring triple. Just pathetic.
    Smilin’ Walt’s Mid-Summer Blowout Sale is in full swing!!

  17. Matt WI

    I don’t even understand how major league baseball players are bad at fundamental aspects of the game. Every year it’s an emphasis in the spring, and every year the Reds suck at basic baseball.

  18. Eddie

    I’m not worried about Walt’s comments. Those are just public comments so the team doesn’t give up on the season and so other GM’s don’t think we are in a fire sale and lowball us on every deal.

  19. GregD

    My concerns about Jocketty’s comments is that he truly believes this is a division winning team that has just been hurt too much, and decides to pick up the options on Hernandez’s and Gonzalez’s contracts.

  20. pinson343

    (4) I agree. It’s not at all clear that we should trade either Harang or Arroyo if we want to contend in 2010. Same thing for Rhodes, who’s cheap, signed thru 2010, and our first good LH reliever in a long time. Why trade him for a prospect ? We have a lot of prospects.

  21. pinson343

    I like JHJ but trying to steal 3rd with none outs is only forgivable if you’re safe by a wide margin.

    Nix got a very poor jump on that fly ball last nite, before the desperate (and stupid) dive.

    Time to get rid of him, but there are so many to get rid of.

  22. pinson343

    (20) No way that Gonzalez’s contract is extended. He’s been an unmitigated disaster.

    Hernandez’s contract will be extended unless Hanigan/Tatum do well in his absence.

  23. Dan

    Play Gomes every day… PLEASE! He’s been one of the only bright spots! Let’s see if he can sustain it.

  24. pinson343

    Back to my comment 21, where, looking ahead to 2010, I said it’s not a given that we should trade Harang or Arroyo, and I don’t want to see Rhodes traded. I don’t want to see a bullpen fire sale. We did that in 2003 and it took 6 years to rebuild the pen.

    Cordero, Rhodes, and Masset form a solid core for the 2010 bullpen. Let the young arms develop as our bullpen depth.
    Trade Weathers if anyone wants him.


  25. Travis G.

    Gomes should be in the lineup every day, for sure. If they’re going to keep Nix, who’s turned back into a pumpkin, why not play him in CF sometimes (last night’s boner notwithstanding)?

    I don’t think the Reds can afford to trade many players from this team, because their presumed replacements aren’t ready yet, and the young players who’ll remain need to learn how to win (at least, in theory). They can afford to trade one of Weather, Rhodes or Cordero and certainly Hairston, if anyone’s interested (how about the Mets?), but Arroyo or Harang are too important to give away for just salary relief. You’re taking a big risk handing over their innings to Thompson or Maloney.

    Also, Hernandez has an $8.5 million club option for next season with a $1 million buyout. I can’t imagine any scenario in which the Reds will exercise that.

  26. pinson343

    PPS No insult intended to Weathers. He’s put in 5 good years for us. But asking for a 6th is trouble.

  27. GregD

    Also, Hernandez has an $8.5 million club option for next season with a $1 million buyout. I can’t imagine any scenario in which the Reds will exercise that.

    That’s because you’re thinking logically.

  28. Matt B.

    Former Red DeWayne Wise just made an outstanding catch to save Mark Buehrle’s perfect game. Amazing.

  29. GregD

    Check out the replay on mlb.com. Wow!
    He had just entered the game as a defensive replacement.

  30. Eddie

    • Behind the red door: Officially, the Reds haven’t decided if they’re buyers or sellers. But unofficially, according to teams that have spoken with them, they’ve already moved into at least a soft-sell mode. They’re looking for a taker for Weathers’ salary (which, by the deadline, will be a little more than $1.5 million for the rest of the year, plus a $400,000 buyout). And if a team has an appetite for the $17 million or so left on Bronson Arroyo’s deal, “they’ll be very happy to listen to you,” said an exec of one club.

  31. pinson343

    Stark’s same article presents an All-Star team of players who had an 80 percent SB success ratio (paying tribute to Rickey Henderson’s 80.8%).
    Barry Larkin (83.1%) and Eric Davis (84.1%) are on the team.

  32. GregD

    Why do they need to shed Weathers salary? They’ll get better return if they chip in money for at least part of his remaining salary/buyout.

  33. GregD

    I’m watching the 9th inning of the White Sox game on Comcast Sports Net now. They replay Chicago day games at night.

  34. Chris Garber

    Those quotes are silly, I agree.

    And if not having his “starting 8” is the reason they’re losing, shouldn’t the absence of Bruce and Ramon sound the death knell for the season?