Here we go again:

It sounds like the Reds will ride it out short-handed until Willy Taveras is 100 percent. I asked Walt Jocketty if it was to point where the Reds needed to get another outfielders in.

“Not yet,” general manager Walt Jocketty said. “Hopefully, (Taveras) will get better everyday. That’s why we kept him out. He’s not quite 100 percent.

“I hope we don’t have to, but we’ll see.”

Put Willy Taveras on the stupid disabled list. He has already cost the Reds one game, and now the Reds are going to play short-handed because Jocketty is petrified of making a move. Taveras isn’t good enough to screw around while we wait on him to heal (heck, Drew Stubbs would likely produce as well or better than Taveras right now).


41 Responses

  1. Bill Lack

    I can not understand why they would continue like this…move Bray to the 60 day, put Stubbs on the roster and bring him up. What am I missing?

  2. RiverCity Redleg

    I said that when Bray first had his surgery. Why has he not been put on the 60 day DL? Esp since we are so short on the 40 man.

  3. RiverCity Redleg

    I also don’t know why none of the reporters, broadcasters, or beat writers have asked management about this either.

  4. Sultan of Swaff

    And they wonder why print media is dying.

  5. Sultan of Swaff

    Tavares is completely useless to the Reds unless his legs are 100%. They are his only asset. Gimme Stubbs until EdE is ready.

  6. Matt WI

    Assistant GM Bob Miller is doing a live web chat today over at the team’s site. Everyone log on and bombard him with this question until he’s forced to answer.

  7. GRF

    Thanks Matt, that is a darn good idea.

  8. Mark in CC

    You might as well face it, they are not going to put Stubbs on the 40-man roster right now and start the Free Agent clock ticking. If any move is made it will be to bring up Norris Hopper. If that isn’t the plan then they would have released Hopper after Spring Training.

  9. David

    This is the problem with having guys like Alonso and Francisco, both at AA, on the 40 man. You have an awfully hard time purchasing contracts if you get the injury bug. You aren’t going to “recall” Alonso or Francisco.

  10. RampantRedsFan

    I agree with putting WT on the DL, but I say we bring up Hopper, and keep Stubbs off of the 40 man.

  11. Chris

    It’s like Jocketty is paying by the transaction, like an old fashioned roto league.

  12. Dan

    Is going on the 40-man what triggers the free agency clock? Or is it being called up to the majors?

    (What advantage did Alonso gain by getting a major league contract last year?)

  13. Mr. Redlegs

    Uncle Walt is not real.

    He’s actually a wizardly image in Emerald City projected from behind a curtain and operating the team from a bunch of buttons and levers on a console.

  14. GRF

    Is it just me or is that chat software unbearably clunky? Submitted the question on Bray, but there does not seem to be any kind of running transcript of questions and answers, so if you go away for a second it starts back up with the latest entry. No idea if he answered or not.

    Olney says in today’s insider we are looking for a third baseman FWIW. EE’s injury worse than we thought, or is something else going on?

  15. GregD

    It’s like Jocketty is paying by the transaction, like an old fashioned roto league.

    And he doesn’t even have a crumpled up dollar in his pocket.

    They probably haven’t moved Bray to the 60-day DL yet because they don’t have to until they are ready to add someone to the 40-man. I don’t think there’s a benefit to having a 39-man roster vs a 40-man roster w/ a known opening/move available.

  16. GregD

    What advantage did Alonso gain by getting a major league contract last year?

    The advantage was his, and it was money.

  17. Jared

    Seriously, there needs to be a campaign to get as many people as possible to take “What DL?” signs to every game they go to. The next in stupid is (I’m especially talking about the Bray situation) not even fielding 9 guys.

  18. GregD

    Time to free agency will depend on time on the major league roster, right, not this individual callup?

    He will have to be placed on the 40-man roster this offseason. Adding him sooner only would cost him an option year, if they call him up for 15 days and option him back. Then, he’d only have options for 2010 and 2011. If they keep him in AAA all year, he’d have options from 2010-2012.

    If he’s up and stays up all year, it wouldn’t cost them an option year.

    IMO, he’s already in AAA, you likely don’t need that 2012 option, if he does need to spend 2012 in the minors, he probably won’t be on the 40-man roster…give the 2009 team the best team on the field and Call-up Stubbs, DL Taveras and get these guys healthy!

    As far as arbitration clock, there was an article last week when Balt catcher Weiters was called up that they’ve passed the Super 2 date. So, a call up between now and the end of this year wouldn’t move that player’s arbitration date.

  19. doug

    I have a feeling the Reds are holding Bray’s move to the 60 day until after the draft to see if they need a 40 man spot if the right guy is there in the draft and will require a Major League deal.

  20. Dan

    Re: getting a major league contract… Alonso could’ve gotten the same signing bonus ($4.5 million or whatever it was) whether or not he signed a major league deal, right?

    Are you saying he’s getting paid the major league minimum now, down in Carolina? I don’t think that’s true.

    I still think there’s something I’m missing. I mean, I’m sure there’s some advantage to Alonso here, but I don’t think it’s just plain dollars.


  21. doug

    This is from Cots Contracts on Yonder Alonso:
    5 years/$4.55M (2008-12)

    * signed Major League contract with Cincinnati 8/15/08
    * $2M signing bonus
    * 08:$50,000, 09:$0.4M, 10:$0.5M, 11:$0.6M, 12:$1M
    * if eligible, Alonso may opt for arbitration after 2011

    Thee advantage to guys signing MLB deals is getting them to the majors quicker. Teams wait to put guys on the 40 man, then they also get option years after that to keep guys down. With a MLB deal the player goes directly onto the 40 man. If they spend more than 15 days on the 40 man in a given season on a minor league roster/DL, then they burn 1 option (Alonso didn’t do that last season). Still, Alonso did burn option #1 this season, meaning he only has 2 more. Where as Draft pick B out of college who didn’t get one doesn’t have to be placed on the 40 man roster for 3 or 4 years from now, then can also not be called up for 3 years after that before having be either be exposed to waivers or having to be placed on the 25 man roster.

  22. nick in va

    Unrelated, but did you see A*** D*** quoted in this article about the draft?

  23. Chad Dotson

    Wow, everyone needs to go look at the link JinAZ posted up there (#19). That is unbelievable.

    That can’t be just random chance, can it? The Reds need to seriously look at what they do in regards to conditioning, methinks.

  24. nick in va

    Good question in the comments about Griffey making it look worse for the Reds. Regardless, that’s not good.

  25. GRF

    Here was the BP preseason take. Griffey is certainly a factor, and the BP folks could find no obvious correlation in the type of injuries, but we clearly are not ahead of the curve here:
    Head Trainer: Mark Mann
    Player Days Lost: 1,083
    Total Dollars Lost: $10,560,476
    Injury Cost: $21,107,250

    Trend: Neutral. The Reds haven’t been above average in any of the past five years, but much of that has been a direct result of Ken Griffey Jr.’s presence on the team, as well as their having a tough time keeping pitchers healthy. Last season, despite Griffey not hitting the DL in Cincy, a number of fluke injuries, including two knee fractures to their shortstops, amped up their final tally as far as days lost. There were also a broad spectrum of injuries with no discernible pattern, both traumatic and non-traumatic, to pitchers and players. The team’s risk profile is similar to last year’s, so Mann and his staff will have to do a better job of staying ahead of the injuries if this team is to have any hope of competing in the division.

  26. Chris

    Great link, JinAz. IF that’s a factor in the Reds’ decision-making, it’s remarkably ham-handed, though — refusing to use the DL doesn’t make them any healthier.

    Though I could imagine a situation where the medical staff is evaluated based on “DL Days,” and is thus incentivized to over-classify injuries as “day-to-day.”

  27. pinson343

    And none of this counts all the times that Jr. was “day to day” for up to a month.

  28. Y-City Jim

    It’s not like Taveras is indispensable.

  29. Mr. Redlegs

    Great link, Justin. I was just wondering about the Reds’ games lost this year when Voltron had to go back to the DL.

    I’m not sure the injuries are the total fault of the training staffs. A lot has to do with the individual player wanting his own people to handle rehab and condition.

    That was certainly the case with Griffey until he tore the hamstring off the bone. At that point, the team ordered Griffey to be under the team’s supervision and someone from the training staff was assigned to him personally. Griffey didn’t like it, but if he’d done even routine work in the offseason he might have avoided the knee and hamstring issues. He was notorious for loafing through his workouts at the Orlando facility where he and Larkin attended.

    But organizational philosophies on training, conditioning and rehab vary. Are the Reds hurting in that area? Who knows, but three different GMs have come along without making a switch, so it seems Mark Mann is held is pretty good esteem.

  30. RiverCity Redleg

    Not only is Mark Mann held in high regard, but Dr Timothy Kremchek is widely considered the best surgeon in baseball.

  31. Jared

    Wow, interesting link. Did you know one team lost as many days to players on the DL over the last 7 years as 32 teams did last year?

  32. GregD

    Taveras is out of the lineup again tonight.

  33. AnnapolisRed

    As much as I’ve defended Walt I don’t understand the Taveras decision either. I would call up Norris.

  34. AnnapolisRed

    Have I missed it or has nobody talked about Brandon Phillips quote in the Enquirer today?

    Nix provided most of the punch. He hit a pair of home runs and drove in four. It was the fourth two-home run game of his career, but the first since May 21, 2004.

    Before this season, he had one home run in the majors since 2005. He is hitting .287 with a team-high .594 slugging percentage and six home runs.

    “He’s underrated,” Phillips said. “It’s all about a guy getting a chance.”

    Phillips then took a shot at the Reds’ previous left fielder without ever saying Adam Dunn’s name.

    “(Nix is) a great teammate,” Phillips said. “It’s good to have a guy in left field who can hit and catch the ball.”

  35. GregD

    A – I’m trying to staying away from as much Dunn baiting and trolling as possible

    B – How do we know he is not taking a shot at the LF situation as it stood at the beginning of the season? Nix moved from #5 OFer to starter because Dickerson wasn’t getting it done with the bat or glove…

  36. Glenn

    I just don’t see the upside to playing shorthanded. It puts Dusty in a bind and hurts the team. Is there some financial component that would limit WJ’s putting players on the DL that we’re not taking into consideration?

  37. preach

    Actually, how about putting Nix back in CF and let Gomes patrol left?

  38. Tom Diesman

    No biggie on the Phillips quote. Everyone knows Dunn was a subpar fielder.

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  40. Mark in CC

    Gomes hasn’t looked very good facing righties.