Ty Wigginton has signed with the Orioles. I know GM Walt Jocketty has had his eyes on Wigginton for some time now; maybe Walt can go to Plan B now.

26 Responses

  1. per14

    As I said, in the thread below, this makes me sick. Wiggington at 2/6 or Burrell at 2/14, and the Reds couldn’t get in on either of these deals?!?! Instead, we go out and get Taveras. Already, I’ve pretty much given up on Jocketty.

  2. preach

    You just gotta like any guy with the composure to deliver a baby in a closet and tie off the umbilical cord with a cleat string.

    I guess Willy is just more havoc-y.

  3. GRF

    I know this will never ever happen, and it violates my vow never to mention his name again (although I suppose you could plug Abreu in instead) but what about these two as alternative:

    One of those is a package proposal the Dodgers have discussed about Hudson and Dunn, who are represented by the same agency. Hudson, 31, batted .305 in 107 games for Arizona last season, and the 29-year-old Dunn has slammed at least 40 homers in five consecutive seasons. Those two players would probably cost the Dodgers less than Ramirez alone.

    You put Hudson at 2b, bat him top of the order and move Phillips to short (or Hudson to short if you think that works better)?

  4. John

    Signing Hudson is an excellent idea. He and Phillips go back as friends and likely would make a great combo up the middle.

    What burns me up is seeing them throw $2m at Arthur Rhodes’ ghost, $4m at David Weathers, $3m at Willy Taveras, trade for an $8m catcher, and then say, “Welp, that’s all the money!”

    Give Bray (and Herrera) a real shot and you don’t need Rhodes.
    Give Roenicke a real shot and you don’t need Weathers.
    Give Dickerson a real shot and you don’t need Taveras.

    I was talking to a Cubs fan the other day (okay, consider the source before I go any further, but he still had a point). I said, “Give me the Cubs’ payroll and I’ll see what I can do about building a contender.” He said, “It’s not how much money you have, it’s who you sign.” He’s right. The Reds simply do not know how to manage payroll. That’s what’s so frustrating.

    And, again, the “it’s not your money” argument doesn’t hold up because it IS my money. I’m the one expected to attend games to see…this team? No thanks.

  5. David

    The television and luxury tax is huge for small and middle market teams. Last time I saw the breakdown on Forbes, television and luxury tax made up the majority of the Reds’ revenue.

  6. Phill

    By signing Arthur Rhodes the Reds ARE giving Bray a real shot. Correct me if I’m wrong but he’s set to be the only other lefty and unlike Rhodes he’s not a LOOGY.

  7. Glenn

    Hate to be the buzz kill here. Plan B will never happen.

  8. David

    The Reds can still add a bat in spring training. There are going to be a number of guys without a team soon and spring training is rapidly approaching.

  9. David

    PS the Nats signed yet another former Red when Javier Valentin agreed to a minor league deal.

  10. Y-City Jim

    He’ll be able to support his family now.

  11. Chris

    I was not in favor of signing Wiggington, BUT for this money, he’s a steal.

    Meanwhile, as many have pointed out, we’re paying more for replacement level talent who’ll do more harm than good.

  12. Mr. Redlegs

    The Orioles signed Wigginton as a DH and fill-in at 3b and 1b. Where would he slot on the Reds?

    He wasn’t going to play 1b, he wasn’t going to play 3b, he can’t play LF and obviously there’s no DH in the National League.

    He’s also been a predominantly 6-hole hitter although I guess he would have been a cleanup for the Reds.

  13. Sultan of Swaff

    I’d like to see the Reds inquire about Kevin Millar. Good numbers last year, would slot nicely as a backup 1b, RH power off the bench. If his price drops significantly due to his age and the economic climate, it would be a good common sense insurance policy.

  14. Steve Price

    If I recall, the luxury tax money the Reds received wasn’t the majority of the Reds revenue; however, it was a large portion of the Reds profit.

    As spring training approaches, and with the level of talent available, I feel salaries will increase, not decline, for guys such as Ramirez, Abreu, and Dunn.

    There’s an story on Baseball Prospectus today (subscriber side, I believe) that talks about these guys being available, and the market will soon become the player’s market, and that there would be a backlash against “small market” teams that did not sign available “surplus” talent.

    They give evidence, going back to the real great depression (1929) that showed the teams that fell in ticket sales were the small market teams that decided they couldn’t afford to get talent, while the teams that invested maintained or grew their attendance. They listed the players available in the minors (players could be bought from minor league teams then), and many were good matches for the types of players available now…corner outfielders who could really hit but had other limitations.

    What was indicated was that the fans rebelled against the franchises and s-t-a-y-e-d away because the team didn’t give the fans a reason to come.

    History always seems to repeat itself…

  15. Travis G.

    I realize that it’s not going to happen, but I believe the Reds would come close to selling out every game in April, May and possibly beyond if they signed Manny Ramirez. After a certain point, the novelty would wear off some and the team’s record would become the driving factor in ticket sales, but I suspect he’d keep them in the hunt all summer.

    I’m not sure how much that spike in attendance would offset his salary, but this team as currently constructed is going to struggle mightily at the gate. I suspect that would be the case even if they exceed expectations.

  16. Mark in CC

    Ty Wiggington is not a difference maker. There is a reason why on opening day he will be with his 5th team in eight seasons.

    If the model is pitching, defense and speed he definitiely doesn’t fit.

    Maybe for once they stick to the plan.

  17. Glenn

    I’m with David. I think come spring training there’s still going to be talent out there with no team yet. There could be some deals to be had. Will the Reds take advantage of that?

  18. Bill

    I don’t agree about selling out in April and May…they didn’t come close to selling out every night when they had the BRM (though it was a bigger ball park) and attendance in Cincinnati is historically lower in April and May.

  19. preach

    “Maybe for once they stick to the plan.”

    Maybe for once they get a plan. I’m not convinced there ever was a ‘speed and defense’ plan even conceived until it was clear they weren’t going to open up the purse for a slugger and AFTER they acquired Taveras.

    I am a little tired of ‘the plan du jour’ and the results. Last season you have Dunn and Griffey in the corners and this season it’s all about speed and defense. Wigginton might not be a difference maker all too himself, but a guy who can play 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and LF who could have been had for 2/6 mil certainly opens up some possibilites. If we are convinced that Alonso is the future at first, why not put him there for the next year (or two if needed) until Alonso is ready and shift Votto to LF, which is where he may end up playing anyway. Or he could split time with E5 between third and LF to see if Edwin could handle the OF. He’s also good to have to come off the bench late, especially in double switch opportunities because of his versatility. Heck, his presence allows for the possibility of Brandon to play SS, not that I’m convinced that’s best, but it keeps it in play. Worse case, the Reds are out of the hunt early but because of his contract he could be shipped out to a contender who needs bench help and we bag a prospect or two for our ‘big year’ of 2010.

    It isn’t about if Wiggy is a difference maker–it’s about trying to get better now and in 2010, and I think at least making a real effort for a guy like this would have helped.

  20. Dan

    When you’re on a limited budget (as the Reds are), I think the #1 plan you need is always, go get whatever the market undervalues.

    That is how you get maximum bang for limited buck.

    Signing Cordero (while he’s a good reliever) was not this.

    Signing Gomes might be.

    I just want to see some moves that show that the Reds are finding good value b/c if we’re going to be at $75 or $80 million every year, battling the Cubs at over $100 million, we HAVE to be getting better value per dollar than they are. Otherwise we might as well pack it in and just be the Marlins.

  21. Sporting Wood

    The Weathers signing just shows how inept Jocketty is at spending the money. Not signing Affeldt for essentially the dollars per year is just one example. Not trading Homer before the shine has come off his “promising” career is another. Some teams (like the Padres for Peavy) would take him in a second. Just 162 games to go before we start this talk again next year.

  22. Mike

    Having your eye on someone doesn’t get it done. The dull offseason continues.

  23. Steve Price

    Wood makes an interesting point about Bailey….

    Many baseball execs (ex. Jocketty) don’t like sabermetric analysis, and would rather depend on scouts.

    OK…I think you need both…scouts for physical and mechanical feedback, analysis for looking at the past and comparing the individuals to computer modules for projections.

    Good scouts (and coaches) need to give advice as to whether this guy can or cannot be developed…and they need to make that determination before the cat is out of the bag.

    So…the question becomes is Bailey done?

  24. Jose

    If only we could have gotten nelson cruz…

  25. Jose

    Or even better, any living person besides Taveras and Patterson