Well, 2008 ended with a thud. When do pitchers and catchers report, again?

Use this thread to discuss all the moves the Reds need to make to be competitive next year. Actually, use it to discuss anything you want, including Junior Griffey’s game today against the Tigers.

6 Responses

  1. iMonk

    Sign long term: Votto, Bruce
    Sign: Hairston, Jr., Keppinger
    Trade: Encarnacion, Dickerson, Lincoln
    Send to Third: Alonzo
    Keep: Hannigan, Phillips, Valentin
    Acquire: One more quality starter, Clean-up hitter/center fielder, 2 quality bullpenners
    Lose: Patterson, Weathers, Dick Pole, Brook Jacoby

  2. Kevin

    John Fay’s comment about off season needs I’m just about totally in agreement with:

    Walt Jocketty says the Reds’ biggest offseason need is right-handed hitter who can produce runs. I tend to agree.

    I’d list the priorities as: a) right-handed run producer; b) center fielder/leadoff man; c) shortstop; d) catcher.

    I’m actually 100% in agreement with Fay on this one. They’re saying the payroll should jump to 80 million, which would mean about 20 million to spend. With that kind of money, I trust Jocketty (I think) to come up with the right-handed bat he’s talking about. I’d also like to see Bailey and Dickerson and maybe a couple of other guys traded for one good player to fill another one of the holes.

    The question is, do we sign a guy like Burrell and then use our trade bait like Bailey, Thomspon, Francisco, etc. for another player (lead off batter, etc.) or do we trade Cueto and Francisco for Holliday, basically using up our money and trading chips in one move, and having to hope Bailey or Thompson are rotation ready?

    I think the strongest argument against the Holliday idea is that it’s totally based on contending in ’09, since we’d only get him for that season. Unfortunately, I’m expecting Jocketty and Castellini to base their moves on the idea of contending in ’09. I’d rather improve the club as much as we can without losing people like Stubbs, Francisco, etc. who I think can be important parts of 2010, find someone like Ordonez or Burrell who would be locked down for multiple years, and trade people who shouldn’t be part of our future but might have some value somewhere else (people love to take risks on people like Bailey, right? Like we did with Phillips and Volquez, which both turned out great). That being said, I’m not expecting the moves to be based on a 2 or 3 year plan at all, because that’s not the way Castellini has shown that he thinks. I think we can potentially improve a good deal this offseason, or dig ourselves into a deeper hole with moves that trade away the light at the end of the tunnel for a pipe dream of contending in ’09…

  3. Kevin

    Stubbs and Alonso for me, I guess Frazier too. Stubbs and Alonso, in the long run, are great candidates for filling out some of the holes we’re talking so much about.

  4. Kevin

    How are you determining those people as locks and not others, for example Owings, Hanigan, Keppinger, Dickerson, etc? They’re all at least bench players, and I think Owings is almost certainly our #5 starter.

    I think the RH bat talk comes from how weak we were against left handed pitchers this year, it was really out of balance. Maybe you have a good point though, I think we might be thinking like Griffey and Dunn are still in the middle of our lineup. But, I do think that it’s true that we’re still weaker from the right side, comparing EdE and Phillips numbers to Votto’s numbers and Bruce’s upside (although you’re right that we’re probably missing something from both sides).

  5. The Redhead

    I cannot believe ho much talk their is about a need for a CF and someone who can lead-off. I believe Dickerson fills that role. A LF with pop that will produce RBI’s would be nice, but why throw money out there when Dickerson can fill that role. Or use Hopper!!

    I’d like to see Bako the Taco gone, and Valentin coming up once a game and swinging as hard as he can somewhere else…but I like Hanigan. Lets sign another catcher off the market or get one in a trade.

    Our rotation looks good, the bullpen needs some upgrading but I like this lineup;

    CF – Dickerson
    RF – Bruce
    LF – (New signee)
    2B – Phillips
    1B – Votto
    3B – Encarnacion
    SS – Gonzalez
    C – Hanigan

    (That’s not a batting line-up, just a run down of positions)

    I live in Cardinal and Cubs country and even their fans tell me, “You guys have so much young talent, you are gonna be good.” I agree.

  6. Mark in CC

    Little early to give up on Francisco. The guy batted third for the Dominican Rep. in the Carribean World Series last winter. His stike out numbers are pretty comparable to Bruce and Stubbs at the same level and he us very young. In two years he could be the third baseman.

    As far as base on balls go he will get better the old saying by the Latin guys is “You can’t walk off the island”.