It’s an afternoon affair today, as the Reds and Brew Crew wrap up their three game series. Will the Reds win? Discuss it here.

52 Responses

  1. doug

    Check out this fantastic lineup:

    Jerry Hairston Jr. CF
    Jeff Keppinger SS
    Joey Votto 1B
    Edwin Encarnacion 3B
    Jay Bruce RF
    Jolbert Cabrera LF
    Andy Phillips 2B
    Ryan Hanigan C
    Bronson Arroyo P

    Yeah, ANDY PHILLIPS at 2nd base. Forget the young guys, who actually play second base…. lets play our backup first baseman there.

  2. Dan

    Good thing we called up Richar and Rosales.

  3. doug

    Slightly yes. He is nursing a sore ankle… that said, he wouldn’t have started regardless. He can’t hit lefties and Sabathia is among the best in baseball.

  4. Evarmstrong

    Why put your young players in there today to face probably the best pitcher in baseball right now and come away feeling horrible. We have taken the first two, let Phillips a more seasoned player take his swipes at CC and then head on. As long as Patterson isn’t playing it’s a good lineup.

  5. mike

    Good thing we called up Richar and Rosales.

    I wonder why the Reds called up these non-prospects who aren’t in the Reds future instead of calling up a player like Stubbs.

    and what about Maloney? or Bailey?

    The most important youth for the Reds to play are already playing.

    As long as Votto, Bruce, and EE get playing time that’s all that matters. None of the others should be considered for starting jobs.

  6. Phill

    Drew Stubbs will be heading to Arizona. They wanted to give him a breather, it doesn’t help that he’s barely had time in triple A. I imagine he’ll get a spring trainging invite but he’ll have to blow the Reds away to get on the big league roster(might be less of a chance if they go out and get an outfielder in free agency).

  7. mike

    Yeah I don’t think Stubbs is ready and even if he tore up Arizona and has a GREAT spring I think he needs more time in AAA before he’s given a roster spot on the Reds.

    I figured giving him a little taste might be a good ideas but I also understand giving him a breather.

  8. renbutler

    What a DP with the bases juiced! Gotta love this team!

  9. John of Muncie

    I say we just leave Stubbs in AAA until he’s like 35. Then he’ll be ready.

  10. Kurt Frost

    Ehh…he’ll never be more than a 4th outfielder anyway, why waste everyone’s time.

  11. John of Muncie

    But Andy Phillips. He’s ready. I mean, I just look at the guy and I think, “Man, he’s ready.”

  12. mike

    Dickerson is finally ready it seems

    ready for what i’m not sure…but ready!

    what is funny is I can’t tell if you’re joking or if your sarcasm is saying that the Reds don’t bring up their players soon enough or…….

    All I’ll say is that there NO SUCH THING as the REDS PLAYING THEIR YOUTH during this last month. The youth were already playing. Votto, Bruce and EE. All these other callups are utility/PH at best.

    The Reds do have some infielders that aren’t far off that maybe should have been given a few PA. I had read this quote from another blog this morning

    The organization is stacked with infield talent, with a wave of players being ready in mid to late 2009, including Chris Valaika, Justin Turner, Juan Francisco, Todd Frazier, and even 2008 first round pick Yonder Alonso.

    Calling up Frazier or Valaika to play SS for the rest of the year and Turner to play 2B for the rest of the year might not have been a bad idea.

  13. Y-City Jim

    but with Stubbs headed to Arizona for the fall league I can understand giving him a break. That’s just smart baseball, and we cannot swander those rare moments in the land of Reds baseball management.

  14. Kurt Frost

    Couldn’t Roenicke or Herrera be given a shot in the 8th instead of Gas Can Weathers?

  15. mhopp

    Nope, not with Dusty Baker at the helm…what a fool…again

  16. mhopp

    and there went the ball game…all because Dusty Baker values veterans (even if the suck) over young players. This is why Dusty Baker is the WRONG MANAGER for this young team!!

  17. Phill

    All I can say is UGH.

    I don’t fault Dusty for bringing in Weathers but I do fault him with leaving him in after two guys were on base with no outs. It’s a one run game, you got a crapload of guys to choose from now just get the next 3 outs and you hand it to Cordero. That’s all but he let Weathers stay and squander a sweep.

    Also without looking at the gamelogs I believe the last two appearences by Stormy in Miller Park he gave up walk-offs in the 10th inning. I don’t hate Weathers as much as everyone else on here but he is definately not THE go to guy in this situation.

  18. mike

    just saw that the Brew Crew claimed Coffey

  19. mhopp

    A bad decision…no reason to hate the pitcher because he’s only doing the best with what he was asked to do…management is the problem for not putting Cordero in! I’d love to know Dusty’s excuse on that but the media does not have the nerve to ask.

  20. Y-City Jim

    Coffey can’t be any worse than Gagne.

    I wonder how many ex-Reds of this season will make the post season?

  21. mike

    I wonder how many ex-Reds of this season will make the post season?

    The current list of maybes that I could think of that are still in the race.

    Adam Dunn, Jr, Casey, Cameron, Branyan (is he still with the Brew Crew?), Brendan Harris, Juan Encarnacion, Buck Coats (if Toronto keeps winning!), Felipe Lopez (Stl and Houston are surprisingly close still), Paul Konerko, Dewayne Wise, Chad Moeller, Brady Clark, David Ross, Jason LaRue.

    Fewer ex-Red pitchers but that makes sense since when was the last time the Reds had a good pitching staff?

    Scott Schoeneweis, Kyle Lohse, Eddie Guardado, Dennys Reyes, Jason Johnson, Ryan Franklin, BJ Ryan, Coffey, Ron Villone, Brian Moehler, and Dempster

  22. mike

    oh right, he had a really bad injury

    I wasn’t sure if some of those guys were still on the active rosters or on the DL

  23. Mr. Redlegs

    . . . management is the problem for not putting Cordero in! I’d love to know Dusty’s excuse on that but the media does not have the nerve to ask.

    Only a dope would ask the question because you’d look like an imbecile. Groundball pitcher on the mound, try to get the double play instead of a strikeout pitcher more prone to flyballs.

  24. mike

    Can anyone else believe that Stl and Houston are only 4 and 4.5 games out of the wildcard race?

    4 Central teams are in the race to make the playoffs??!?

    I never thought Houston had a chance but 4.5 games is close.

    4 Central teams have a better record than ANY West team.

  25. doug

    From mlb.com:
    “We had a real short bullpen today, especially with guys with experience,” Baker said. “I had a bunch of ’no’s’ on my lineup card.”

    Yeah, thats right. He isn’t going to play these guys at all. Fan-freaking-tastic.

  26. preach

    From mlb.com:
    “We had a real short bullpen today, especially with guys with experience,” Baker said. “I had a bunch of ’no’s’ on my lineup card.”

    Then they are here because…..

  27. Kurt Frost

    Does Jocketty not see this man is a moron? They aren’t fighting for a pennant…put the young guys in.

  28. Mr. Redlegs

    Be interesting to see if Mike Maddux can fix Coffey. I say he does. Dude is a dynamite pitching coach.

  29. loco

    Why not let Scott Duff get in? This lanky left-hander has nasty stuff.

  30. 2fly

    I heard Duff injured his shoulder while horseplaying with Cuccio.

  31. Chris

    Watching this Tampa/Boston game and listening to the ESPN guys nob-slobber over the Red Sox . . . you’d certainly never guess which team is in first.

    Dustin Pedroia for MVP, eh? You know what they always say: Give it to the third best player on the third best team. (But only if he’s under 5’7″)

  32. Chris

    “Alex Cora is the most intelligent baseball player of all time.”

    Once hit 18 foul balls, then a HR.

    He’s effing Bill Brasky.

  33. Chris

    He’s so intelligent he dives into first on a grounder to SS. Unreal.

  34. Mr. Redlegs

    “Does Jocketty not see this man is a moron? They aren’t fighting for a pennant…put the young guys in.”

    For the life of me, I can’t believe Uncle Walt hasn’t marched right into that dugout during the Cubs or Brewers series and demanded that every minor-leaguer get the bulk of playing time like a spring training game as the Reds’ last two opponents are fighting each other for a playoff berths. Yes, that’s really moronic to put your most experienced, competitive team on the field for the sake of fairness and playoff integrity for each team. But who cares as long as everyone plays, like your kids’ soccer league. And everyone gets a trophy for participation, too!

  35. GregD

    For the life of me, I can’t believe Uncle Walt hasn’t marched right into that dugout during the Cubs or Brewers series and demanded that every minor-leaguer get the bulk of playing time like a spring training game

    No one is saying that at all. They are arguing that the best team on the field includes some of these new callups and for Baker to label them as “no’s” on his lineup card is absolutely absurd.

    Surely Jocketty & Castellini didn’t want to call up a bunch of successful minor league players at the end of the year just to give them the experience of earning a major league paycheck.

    So, Baker could have went with a very good minor league relief prospect, who has been a minor league closer the past couple of years, or he could have went with 1.57 WHIP Weathers, who had pitched 2 of the previous 3 days and who’s not even going to be a part of this team next year.

    Groundball pitcher on the mound, try to get the double play instead of a strikeout pitcher more prone to flyballs.

    He’s not as much of a groundball pitcher like he was earlier in his career. Reputation sticks with people longer than it should. But of course, you shouldn’t bother yourself with numbers.

  36. Phill

    Mr. Redlegs people probably wouldn’t be wanting young guys to play as much as we’re yelling for it if management hadn’t sent out a letter stating that was what they planned to do. I don’t appreciate being lied so openly. Front Office and Dusty need to get on the same page. I don’t like being told “we will continue to provide valuable playing time to our young players” and then reading that Dusty has marked the call-ups as “no” for don’t bring into a game.

  37. Kurt Frost

    The whole “put your best team on the field” integrity of the game crap goes right out the window the second Baker pencils in Patterson at the top of the lineup.

  38. Dan

    Believing Patterson is part of the Reds’ “best team on the field” is simply more of the “pathological conservatism” (or risk-averseness, or whatever you want to call it) that I mentioned over in the Brandon Phillips thread.

    It’s not just Dusty – it’s pervasive in baseball.

    Somehow the known quantity (even if it’s known to be BAD!) is preferable to the unknown.

    If Babe Ruth came up in today’s game, I think he’d just become a really good starting pitcher… and nothing more.

    The risk-averseness of the baseball establishment is really getting on my nerves this year.

    (And by the way, I applaud the D’backs for playing Adam Dunn at 1B in the middle of a pennant race! Maybe it’s a good move, maybe not, but I applaud them for trying something that isn’t just the same old, same old.)

  39. mike

    (And by the way, I applaud the D’backs for playing Adam Dunn at 1B in the middle of a pennant race! Maybe it’s a good move, maybe not, but I applaud them for trying something that isn’t just the same old, same old.)

    actually they are playing him wherever they need to and are actually “trying to put the best team on the field” every night. Unlike Dusty who says he’s doing that but isn’t.

    I think he looks good at 1B. Better than he looks in RF. He looks a bit lost in RF. He’s played RF, LF and 1B for AZ.

    I just had a small daydream that the Reds kept Hamilton and had an outfield of Bruce, Hamilton and Votto with Dunn at 1B.

    imagine for a second a lineup of (ignore too many lefties for now 🙂 )

    some SS who can get on base
    Phillips
    Hamilton
    Bruce
    Dunn
    EE
    Votto
    1 of the 8 million catchers the Reds carry.

  40. Mr. Redlegs

    ” Front Office and Dusty need to get on the same page.”

    Ain’t no arguing that, Phill. But it ain’t exactly like Jocketty is saying much of anything. At least, not publicly.

  41. Kurt Frost

    I wonder how Dusty would handle Jeff Samardzija? Fat Lou wasn’t too stubborn to put him in and it has paid off.

  42. Mr. Redlegs

    Did Baker play Votto? Did he play Cueto? Did he play Volquez? Did he play Bruce? Did he play Ramirez? Did he play Thompson? Did he play Herrera?

  43. Kurt Frost

    Last I checked, Hatteberg was the starter on opening day, Dusty made up an injury history for Bruce who was sent down to AAA, Fogg started over Ramirez last week for some reason, Thompson is at home and Herrera has a “NO” beside his name.

  44. Mr. Redlegs

    Semantics for the inconvenience of a baseless rant. Votto was in a horrible slump in spring and could have been sent to Louisville but he stuck and ultimately held the job full time. No one in the Reds’ organization thought Bruce was ready and wanted him to have at least 200 ABs in Louisville. Since being brought up, he’s playing every day. Ramirez has started twice and relieved once. So he’s playing. Herrera came up earlier in the year and was immediately thrown into the fire. So he played.

  45. Kurt Frost

    Do you think Bruce would be playing (if they hadn’t traded Griffey and Dunn) if Patterson wasn’t having one of the worst years for a Red in 100 years? I didn’t know you were in the Reds organization, how else would you know NO ONE thought Bruce was ready? If Fogg doesn’t get hurt then Ramirez isn’t starting and like I said, Herrera has a big ‘NO’ beside his name, even though he has the 3 innings he pitched in June (2 in a 10-0 loss). So all you have left is Cueto and Votto, and if Hatteberg hadn’t been cut, who knows how that would have turned out.

  46. Mr. Redlegs

    Ifs, Ands and Buts. Deal with facts. These people have/are playing.

    And, uh, Bruce has been starting regularly since May, two-plus months before Griffey and Dunn were traded.

    Nutin’ like the facts.