Game Thread: Brewers, again Chad Dotson 09/09/2008 51 Do the Reds play the Brewers 120 times each season? Seems like it. Tonight, they go at it again. Discuss it here. Share this:TweetPocket 51 Responses preach 09/09/2008 Coffey DFA’d. Ramon Ramirez on the mound tonight. Bill Hall in the lineup. Kurt Frost 09/09/2008 I think my internet isn’t working correctly…it says Patterson is leading off again. preach 09/09/2008 Yes…the internet….that’s what’s wrong… Kurt Frost 09/09/2008 Well…I am looking at it on my phone. Maybe its the bizarro internet. You know Dusty’s rule…when a player is injured he makes them wait a few more days after they say they are fine. mhopp 09/09/2008 You know DustyÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s ruleÃ¢â‚¬Â¦when a player is injured he makes them wait a few more days after they say they are fine. Especially if he can shift things around enough to put Patterson in…still does not excuse him from putting that fool in lead off. Dusty Baker must have the hardest head of anyone in baseball. No matter what anyone says, Dusty is always right, in Dusty’s mind that is. mhopp 09/09/2008 I mean why not put the switch-hitting .500 guy who is hot as the sun lead off? Noooo, we have to put the .205 guy who it only takes 2-3 pitches to get out! How in God’s green earth did this man become a major league manager? Kurt Frost 09/09/2008 Old boy network mhopp 09/09/2008 14 pitches in the first inning by Suppan…5 to Cabrera, 7 to Votto…now lets do the math!!! If we had a team of 9 Crappy Outterson’s (and you know Dusty would put all 9 in) the opposing pitcher could pitch between 54-81 total pitches to shut out the Reds!!! Kevin 09/09/2008 To be fair, if we had a team of 9 Brandon Phillips, the opposing pitcher could potentially pitch 27 pitches to shut out the Reds. preach 09/09/2008 Good way for Ramirez to close the inning out. His pitch count has to be about 40 after one inning though. He has good movement on his pitches, but he hasn’t learned to get them over consistently for strikes. His best fastball so far was 92, but it was perfectly placed on the outside corner at the knees. Hopefully Hannigan is calling all the pitches. Otherwise it looks like Ramirez could fall in love with the offspeed stuff and get lit up. Buddy 09/09/2008 Creeping Jesus, Prince Fielder is as big as a house. Watching him run to second on that missed hit and run turned into a caught stealing…complete with head first uh…fall….funny stuff. preach 09/09/2008 Yeah, you know Phillips is relieved that throw didn’t lead him into the runner. preach 09/09/2008 Did Phillips actually walk tonight? Wow. mike 09/09/2008 PATTERSON PATTERSON! I think he’s my favorite Red of all-time and continues the Reds near 25 year run of inept speedy outfielders!! Patterson beats out a long list including Reggie Taylor! Curtis Goodwin! Herm Winningham! Billy Hatcher! Cesar Cedeno! Rolando Roomes! Paul Householder! and Deion Sanders! Where is Pokey Reese when you need him? preach 09/09/2008 If it wasn’t for an error and some bad luck, this would be a shut out. Ramirez is doing a good job, in spite of nibbling and walking four. mike 09/09/2008 To be fair, if we had a team of 9 Brandon Phillips, the opposing pitcher could potentially pitch 27 pitches to shut out the Reds. here is a strange thought. The Reds offense has stunk this year. And if we had 9 Brandon Phillips in the lineup the offense would be about 1% worse that it has been. We might and I mean might break even if there was an increase in stolen bases. OPS+ 135 Adam Dunn 94 Reds team (including pitchers!) 93 Brandon Phillips 47 Corey Patterson but if we had 9 Phillips our defense up the middle would be great….not that that matters ChicagoRedsFan 09/09/2008 Among Cincy’s 2 “professional” teams, who has the more incompetent leader? Marvin Lewis or Dusty? I’m not sure, but I’d say it’s very close! rob 09/09/2008 Here we go again. Explain how Baker is incompetent? Over 1200 victories at the big league level and the guy is incompetent? C’mon. World 09/09/2008 Mike- You couldn’t carry Herm Winninghams’s jock. He’s my buddy. Inept? There’s a whole list of people you could supply who would confess that you’re a lot more inept than Herm. Starting with your ………. Well, easy on Herm. OK? World 09/09/2008 And Billy Hatcher would kick your butt. And Cedeno might shoot you. Just a postscript. Y-City Jim 09/09/2008 Creeping Jesus, Prince Fielder is as big as a house. Watching him run to second on that missed hit and run turned into a caught stealingÃ¢â‚¬Â¦complete with head first uhÃ¢â‚¬Â¦fallÃ¢â‚¬Â¦.funny stuff. Did you ever see that picture of Fielder and Sabathia hugging? It was like two sumo wrestlers go at it. You know your offense is in trouble when Brandon Phillips has the only walk of the night. Y-City Jim 09/09/2008 Eddie’s the man! Votto starts it all with a WALK! You see that Duddy Baker? A walk! Y-City Jim 09/09/2008 Jay’s the man as well! mhopp 09/09/2008 #18…Other than having 1200 wins in the past Dusty is currently not too good. Can you tell me what he has done well for this team? I was thinking earlier that nobody on this team is playing better than last year except Bill Bray and EE. I can not think of one thing this team does well, can you tell me what it is? Dusty may have 1200 wins but clearly he does not know how to manage young teams and puts way too much value on historical stats. No matter, the fact is that the Reds are last in many categories and will be 14 games under .500 if a win tonight happens…exactly where I have said they’ll be at the end of the season at 74-88. mhopp 09/09/2008 Ramirez is the man too! This guy has gotten better as the season has gone on…like Votto and that’s important for Octoberquest. mhopp 09/09/2008 okay Wilkin Castillo is the man! Y-City Jim 09/09/2008 Well, 840 of those wins came in San Francisco. It’s been pretty much downhill for the guy since then. Todd Coffey – Watch him go to St. Louis next year and become the NL’s dominant closer with Dave Duncan’s help. Y-City Jim 09/09/2008 How many full counts did Ramirez have tonight? 6 innings, 1 hit, 4 walks, 107 pitches. Talk about throwing ugly! Y-City Jim 09/09/2008 Is the Reds top of the batting order classified as a black hole? Y-City Jim 09/09/2008 Easy come, easy go. TylerS 09/09/2008 Yeah, who needs the Large Hadron Collider. Scientists should have just been studying Patterson and Bako. Would have saved some money. mike 09/09/2008 And Billy Hatcher would kick your butt. And Cedeno might shoot you. they both get a tiny bit of respect for their respective kick butt and shoot skills but neither was a very good hitter with the Reds Hatcher was lifetime .264 hitter with a .312 OBP and a .364 slugging. Dave Concepcion had more power than that. Hell Patterson has more power! no wonder your still a Reds fan, you don’t mind watching bad hitters. Dave from Louisville 09/09/2008 What the hell was that? If you are going to PH for Castillo, you need to throw down teh squeeze. I thought Dusty liked small ball. With one out and a PH you got to try the squeeze. renbutler 09/09/2008 Anyone else lose the HD feed on DirecTV? On the bright side, the Cards just beat the Cubs in a walk-off. 🙂 mike 09/09/2008 just turned the TV on in the 9th with Phillips up. Time to eat dinner. I’m watching the Brew Crew broadcast of the game. After the first pitch strike to Phillips one of the Brew Crew announcers said, “you know, a lot of hitters would have taken that pitch” nice to know some announcers get it. CeeKeR 09/10/2008 Corey Patterson watch: 0-3, .202 average so far tonight. mike 09/10/2008 Hey one good thing for the Reds their 1B Adam Dunn looks really good there. oh, wrong team pinson343 09/10/2008 I knew Philipps wouldn’t like the IBB to Votto, even though it made sense. Thought he might come thru. pinson343 09/10/2008 On the Dunn comment: seems like Dunn to 1B and Votto to LF might have been a good move. The rumors that Dunn didn’t want to play 1B were apparently false. mike 09/10/2008 Corey Patterson watch: 0-3, .202 average so far tonight. I don’t care much about batting average. (note: has any player ever hit under .225 and had a good season, I’ll look that up in a minute). But most know how old the Reds are…over 100 years! And most know that getting on base for a leadoff hitter is important and that getting on base (or not getting OUT) is more important than a hit/avg. In over 100 years of Reds baseball here are the worst OBP vs league average for players with over 325 PA. OBA YEAR DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE RCAA 1 Bill Bergen 1901 -.131 .199 .331 -36 2 Bill Bergen 1902 -.107 .214 .322 -34 3 Corey Patterson 2008 -.100 .239 .338 -27 4 Hod Ford 1930 -.098 .272 .370 -40 5 Virgil Stallcup 1951 -.090 .251 .341 -28 6 Virgil Stallcup 1948 -.090 .253 .343 -46 7 Wally Gilbert 1932 -.085 .252 .337 -34 8 Bob Usher 1951 -.085 .257 .341 -26 9 Bo Diaz 1988 -.084 .236 .320 -24 10 Leo Durocher 1930 -.083 .287 .370 -28 Patterson is one of the worst Reds at getting on base in over 100 years!?!?!? Oh the Reds have had plenty of players put in a season of 325+ PA and bat under .210 (oh only 18, oops, PATTERSON SUCKS http://www.bb-ref.com/pi/shareit/qFVT ) pinson343 09/10/2008 Wow, CP’s a hero and Coco closes it out. I notice that Coco doesn’t screw up against the Brewers. Let’s not lament CP being in the lineup for the rest of the season, let’s enjoy the win. mhopp 09/10/2008 The Reds will take 2 of 3 from Cubs and same from the Brewers? Amazing what bringing up some youth will do. Too bad Ramirez doesn’t get the win…Great game…even with Crappy P. and Crusty B. pinson343 09/10/2008 PS Mike, my comment wasn’t in response to yours. I hadn’t seen yours when posting mine. Yes CP sucks. mhopp 09/10/2008 Actually you must blame the manager more than Patterson…he’s getting a little older and not getting any better, he can’t help that. What can be helped is the STUPID MANAGER who put him at lead off. Corey Patterson can only do so much with what he’s been told. By the way, I’d rather see Bronson Arroyo lead off than Patterson. It’s just more of a testament to how Dusty Baker needs some Psychiatric help. mike 09/10/2008 The rumors that Dunn didnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t want to play 1B were apparently false. Dunn said this in an interview after the trade and added that he “took groundballs at 1B EVERY DAY” Imagine for a second we trade Jr and not Dunn and move him to 1B and Votto to RF. We move Phillips to SS and Keppinger to 2B Bruce to RF and Dickerson to CF. We get Phillips a long ways away fromt the 3rd or 4th spot in the lineup and we don’t carry 3 catchers and keep Ross. we improve the defense and we have something like Dickerson Bruce Dunn Votto (I don’t give a rats ass about 3 lefties in a row) EE Phillips Ross some SS I don’t care who mike 09/10/2008 Mike- You couldnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t carry Herm WinninghamsÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s jock. HeÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s my buddy. you know what, this is absolutly 100% correct. Sure I run 6+ miles twice a week but I smoke and smoke to much weed to be a professional athlete. Plus I was a terrible hitter in high school, right around Patterson’s level. I can’t hold his jock. That’s not the point. and his jock probably stinks I’m glad your friends with a mediocre to bad major league hitter pinson343 09/10/2008 Mhopp, I agree with your statement that the problem is Dusty not CP. CP is just doing what he’s told, and I think he consistently goes all out, you can see that in his play in CF (in fact he is a good CF) and his overaggressive (dumb) baserunning. If anything he tries too hard, he lost his confidence somewhere along the way. It’s Dusty job to help the Reds, not Corey, he seems confused about that. doug 09/10/2008 This is a quote from Dusty Baker after tonights game when asked about when he is going to play some young guys: “I’ll use them in spots and try to get them a start if I can,” Baker said. “But for the integrity of the races and the team, you have to go with your best lineup.” He says this, yet he started COREY FREAKING PATTERSON for the 100th plus time this season. Everytime he talks and I think about what he just said, I wish I could bash my skull in with a hammer. Mike Martz 09/10/2008 Phillips out for the season with a broken finger he recieved on his bunt attempt! Kurt Frost 09/10/2008 I was laying in bed halfway asleep and I thought I was dreaming when Baker pinch hit Hairston for Castillo. Castillo was 6-7 over the last two days and Hairston hadn’t played for a month. Baker truly is whacko. World 09/10/2008 Mike- Sorry. Got into the Paisano vino last night and took out my frustrations on you. I’m only a Reds fan because I am connected with the intercircle of MLB through work, friendships, fantasy camps, that kind of thing. I’m actually a Phillies fan from birth and that’s a whole lot of failure right there. But excusez-moi for my angst last evening.