Someone named Greg Simms has written one of the more ill-informed articles in recent memory, purporting to discuss how the Reds can be fixed. I can’t believe the Dayton Daily News would publish this dreck.

Frequent commenter CeeKeR has written a decent response here, and another commenter has written his own retort here.

33 Responses

  1. Mark T

    Makes no sense to spend $16-20 million on Dunn when you are getting everything Dunn ever gave you from a $400,000 rookie. Plus speed. Yeah – Dickerson is no Dunn, but the question is, is the extra that Dunn gives over replacement worth $15,600,000.00 per year? Or can that money be put to better use?

    Just a ‘tired of the sabers whining about Dunn’ rant. As you were.

  2. Chad

    Dickerson vs. Dunn. Kudos, sir. Can’t argue with that logic.

    You just said that the Reds are getting everything from Dickerson that Dunn gave them. Wow. Plus Dickerson is fast!!!

  3. Y-City Jim

    Which rookie are you talking about?

    Dickerson, Bruce, Votto?

  4. doug

    Dickerson is playing over his head right now. Why we are comparing Dunn and Dickerson, I have no idea. Dickerson is a centerfielder and only because we have the idiot manager that we do is he playing left field.

  5. Y-City Jim

    Ramon Ramirez was optioned to Class A Sarasota after the game. One our new acquisitions, Wikin Castillo, was called up. We now have four catchers.

  6. Y-City Jim

    If a writer is going to analyze a team include management and coaching in the analysis.

  7. doug

    Jim,
    lets not be deceiving here…. we have 3 catchers now. Javy Valentin is nothing close to resembling a catcher. Just because someone wears the gear and can grow a pornstache doesn’t make them a catcher.

  8. per14

    He’s way off base on Bruce and Votto, that’s for sure. But I kind of agree with him re: BP. The guy is seen as a star and he has a lot of tools. But, frankly, he doesn’t do much in terms of actually helping you win. He’s a great glove, but he has no plate discipline whatsoever and shows no signs of improving on that. I wonder if the Reds could get a good haul for him.

    I also like EdE a lot more than he does, but this comment is long enough already.

  9. justcorbly

    Well, it’s a pretty thin piece. I agree, in principle, that no player should ever be untouchable. Trades are judgment calls.

    I don’t think it’s possible for a team to have a fixed improvement plan and stay on that plan for any length of time. Stuff happens. People get hurt, demand to be traded, lose their edge, etc.

    All you can do is concentrate on your farm system, sign as many excellent kids as possible, pay a lot of attention to pitching, take some chances, be willing to trade regulars if it will improve the team, and hope for the best.

    Players come from two places: the farm and trades. You cannot control who is down on the farm or how good they are or how quickly they progress. You can’t control what other teams are willing to give you in trades. GM”s need to sound out trade possibilities every day. (And the Reds are in the worst possible position to make trades: They’re desparate and everyone knows it.)

    I’m not as sanguine about the rotation as Simms. Harang hasn’t proved he’s back to his old self. Arroyo is obviously volatile; there’s nothing to say he won’t start another multiple-game swoon tomorrow. Volquez has to prove he wasn’t a one-year fluke. Cueto needs to win more.

    It’s a potentially very good rotation, but potential doesn’t count. If I was offered a proven winning starter in a trade, I’d be sorely tempted.

  10. Y-City Jim

    It looks as if the “demotion” to Sarasota was a ploy to get him back ASAP. Sarasota’s season ends today so Ramirez is free to be called back after today.

  11. Kurt Frost

    Maybe they called up Castillo so they could DFA Bako tomorrow when the rosters expand.

  12. Dan

    Uhhh… why would they release anyone on the day rosters can expand?

  13. CeeKeR

    Uhhh… why would they release anyone on the day rosters can expand?

    Or to save money on the post-game spread. 😀

  14. Mark T

    $15,600,000.00? $19,600,000.00?

    That was my point, Dudes. Dickerson vs. Dunn, what price. You Dunn guys got it all figured, put a price on it. OK?

  15. Y-City Jim

    Put a price on what?

    Do you think Dunn is going to get $16 to $20 million? I sure don’t.

    Was it worth $2 million for the rights to send him through waivers? I think they would have been better off keeping him, offering arbitration, and taking their chances.

  16. Mark T

    I think they’d be OK signing Dunn for 8-10 million, outrageous for a plodding outfielder who walks and hits home runs and whiffs and hits into the shift. (How refreshing not to have seen a shift for weeks now.) But I suspect Dunn made it clear that he was overpricing himself, that Bronson was telling the truth, and the Reds bailed. Good on ’em.

  17. preach

    Considering that the guy didn’t talk about the bullpen or bench, two areas that help determine if you are playing fall baseball, nor did he talk about any economics of the game, it didn’t really mean much.

  18. doug

    Mark,
    Money doesn’t mean much when comparing Dickerson and Dunn. They play different positions. Dunn is a left fielder, Dickerson is a center fielder. So the comparison doesn’t mean much.

  19. Mark T

    Oh, I think Dickerson could slow down a few (?) steps, and then there’d be basis for comparison.

  20. Y-City Jim

    There’s never going to be a basis for comparison between a player with a .901 career OPS and a player with a lifetime minor league OPS of .775.

  21. Matt McWax

    I also noticed this was a peculiarly bad article – I assumed he was well into a beer buzz. I think Keppinger has a lot to prove in September because frankly he isn’t worth much unless he hits well over .300. He has been back to form somewhat in the last couple weeks (.318 in last 12 games). Making short shrift of Votto is crazy and Bruce… As for Dickerson, even though I penciled him in for my ’09 Reds a while ago, I am pretty surprised by him. I still don’t think the Dunn/Dickerson question is relevant. I personally wanted the Reds to move on from Dunn but it would be freakish if Dickerson approached anything Dunn-like or even continued his short-term performance. He is streaky and has always shown flashes. I think his defense and ability to draw walks and steal bases will give him a good shot to stick though. So I’m for taking the Dunn money elsewhere, perhaps for a catcher.

  22. Y-City Jim

    I’m not a troll. I asked a legitimate question – what price?

    I am going to assume that you want to know what is a fair market value for a team like the Reds to pay for Adam Dunn. I would say $10 million tops if he moves to 1B, which he is willing to do despite the stories to the contrary. Management just never really committed to having him do it for whatever reason. Probably cause management seems pretty clueless most of the time.

  23. Y-City Jim

    Keppinger has a lot to prove in September because frankly he isn’t worth much unless he hits well over .300.

    At $400,000, Keppinger is worth giving the benefit of the doubt. He seemed well under his way to a productive year until whacking that ball off his knee. It just seems like it has taken him a very long time to get back to that level again.

  24. Mark T

    Management tried Dunn out at first base a few years ago, and it was a no-go. I like your $10 million figure, and I’m thinking that Dunn has razzeltop numbers to trump that, and that’s why Jockety dumped him.

    Just a guess.

  25. Y-City Jim

    Management tried Dunn out at first base a few years ago, and it was a no-go.

    Yet Dunn continued to take ground balls at 1B every day. I don’t believe management was noncommittal on the move.

    All players when they negotiate have razzeltop numbers just as management has razzelbottom numbers. That’s why they negotiate. The market will dictate what Dunn gets.

    Here’s a question. Would management bring Dunn back to Cincinnati if he could be signed for $10 million?

  26. Y-City Jim

    I don’t believe management was noncommittal on the move.

    Correction: I believe management was noncommittal on the move.

  27. Mark T

    If tehy could get Dunn for $10 million, I suspect they would bring him back. I would not blame them.

  28. Kevin

    I would not only blame them, I’d be really glad they did it. No matter what any of us think about the trade, the fact is our outfield has got a huge hole in it for 2009 and Dunn will be one of the best on the market. I personally think he’s the best option overall, because the couple of guys who could be considered better than him (I.e. Manny) are going to be waaay to expensive for us. Dunn’s worth is controversial enough that it could make him a good bargain (I think 10 million would be a great bargain).

    Also, on a side note, Dunn started at first base today for the dbacks.

  29. Shawn

    Simms’ article is dreck. I wrote a better piece than that on my blog a few days ago. How much does Simms get paid? The DDN should pay me half what they give Simms, then fire him.

  30. Y-City Jim

    Also, on a side note, Dunn started at first base today for the dbacks.

    Dunn was 1 for 2 with a HR, RBI, 2 BB, and 2 runs scored.