Rookie

Casper 5, Billings 2

22 year-old Jason Louwsma (Reds #29 – 2006) went 2 for 3. On the season the 3rd baseman is now hitting .319/.347/.420.

GCL Red Sox 2, GCL Reds 1, 7 innings

19 year-old 2nd baseman, Kevyn Feiner (Reds #18 – 2005) went 2 for 3 with a 2B and an RBI. Since being sent to the GCL REds Feiner is hitting .353/.389/.588 in 19 PAs.

LOW A

Dayton 6, South Bend 4

19 year-old Jay Bruce (Reds #1 – 2005) went 1 for 3 with 2 R and 2 BB. For the season he is pushed his OPS up to a Midwest League Leading .962! In 371 PAs, Bruce has 36 BB, 13 HR, 36 2B, 5 3B, and 13 SB.

HIGH A

Dunedin and Sarsota PPD

AA

Chattanooga 2, Birmingham 1

24 year-old Carlos Guevara (Reds #7 – 2003) picked up the win pitching going 2 IP, allowing 3 H and a BB. For the season Guevara has pitched 50 IP with a 2.84 ERA, recording 59 Ks, and 18 BB.

AAA

Louisville 5, Norfolk 3

4 relievers who are all probably as good as the crap we got from the Nationals for two of our best position players combined for 3 2/3rd innings without allowing a R or a H.

Brian Shackelford 2.41, Mike Burns 1.25, Brad Salmon 2.97, and Scott Chiasson 2.61 could all do what Majewski and Bray can do. You could have brought them up and kept 22% of your offense on the TEAM!!!!!!!!

3 FORMER FIRST ROUND PICKS FOR SOME MIDDLE RELIEVERS!!!! UGHHH

Its time to SHTD!!!!!!!

10 Responses

  1. Jon

    The only thing I dont agree with about your assessment of the Bats bullpen is Mike Burns. He probably would do worse, considering he has done worse 3 times this year.

  2. jose

    Come on! Are you out of your mind? Mike Burns?! Brian Shackelford, Brad Salmon and Scott Chiasson could give the Reds equal value to Bray and Majewski? Please. Step off the ledge, Matt. I don’t like the trade either, but that is ludicrous.

  3. CG Hudson

    I agree with canning Krivsky. The guy is going to have to make at least a dozen straight smart moves to overcome this boondoggle. Honestly, why has this guy gotten so much love thus far anyway? Ross and Arroyo are starting to show their cracks and are as likely to regress as anybody given their past performance (at least, if we’re patient like we’re supposed to be with this trade!). Phillips was a great pickup but frankly, it was an easy, no-risk decision. What GM wouldn’t have made that decision if given the opportunity? After that you’ve got Castro and now this. What exactly has Wayne done yet that’s so great?! I’m not against trading either Kearns or Lopez per se but the fundamental error that WK made is in his poor evaluation of talent and worth. That’s kind of important in his position. SHTD! SHTD! SHTD! Next.

  4. al

    jim’s right, the real question is how good kriv’s talent evaluation is on the two relievers. The more i look at lopez, the less i’m impressed, so the lopez-wagner for harris-clayton-thompson part of this deal doesn’t really mean much to me. maybe the three guys we got won’t do much for the reds, but the guys we gave up weren’t going to either.

    kearns was a solid contributor though. If maj and bray are solid set up guys for the reds for the next 4+ years, the reds did well for him. If they are more in line with jason standrige and joe valentine, then we gave him away.

    Kriv has done well with talent evaluation (arroyo, ross, hatte, phillips) and not so well (mays) with the jury still out on guardado and castro. so we’ll see. if the reds make the playoffs this year, i hope people are willing to give him the credit he deserves, rather than saying that this trade had nothing to do with it.

  5. CG Hudson

    I can’t appreciate analysis of this deal within the framework of “well if so and so turns out to be good, then this will be a great trade”. If Bill Bray turns into Mariano Rivera, then naturally Krivsky looks like a genius. But we don’t know whether he will so all we have to go on are past tendencies of these particular individuals and of these types of players in general. You can’t have it both ways of chalking up Arroyo/Ross/BP as successes but keeping “the jury” out on El Guapo and Castro (btw, the jury on Castro came back along time ago: he’s guilty). Right here and now, if you make the deal 100 times of 2 everyday above average position players still in their prime production and a farmhand for 2 middle-relievers, an over the hill IF, an old IF “prospect”, and a 20-year-old pitching prospect with injuries, history likely tells us that 95 out of those 100 times you will come out behind. As for “the market”, markets aren’t living breathing entitites. They only exist because people produce behind them. Just ask Billy Beane who consistently manages to find holes in the so-called markets and exploit them to his advantage.

  6. GodlyCynic

    Kearns was a good player, I’m not sure that’s really in dispute. Lopez, though? Really? He’s an above-average shortstop but good? In the past year he hasn’t matched his numbers from the first half of last season. Given his numbers from before his phenomenal first half of 2005 and his numbers afterwards coupled with his atrocious defense, how good was Lopez really? Were there any signs that he is going to get better? Freel and Phillips make a better 2B/SS pairing than Phillips/Lopez. The problem here might not be with Krivsky but whether or not Jerry Narron understands what to do with his lineup now. If Phillips stays at 2B the rest of the season with Clayton and Castro splitting time at SS, then that’s Narron’s fault, not Krivsky’s.

  7. GodlyCynic

    The hypocrisy with some of the people on this board drives me more crazy than anything. How many times have I read “Krivsky needs to do something now. But players 1-15 should be untouchable and we should all give up garbage like Larue to bring us that set-up guy with 3.00 ERA”? That’s insane. Did the Reds overpay? Of course. Did they have a choice? Not really. If Krivsky had done nothing but bring in 3 more Guardados or Yans or Mays, half of the people here would have screamed that he deserved to be fired anyway. You can’t have it both ways.

  8. bobcat

    i think there are 3 ways to see if this trade works out. 1: do our runs scored go down, 2: does our bullpen era go down, 3:does our W/L record improve.
    i predict the offense will still score plenty of runs and the bullpen era will go down, which in turn will result in #3 improving.

  9. Pinski

    It is not about being untouchable. Its about value. Maybe one of the two for the National players would have been okay. But two 26 year olds who are at the very least average offensive players are almost always have greater value than 2 youngish middle relievers. (There are two in Detroit I would have taken in a flash, but beyond that I don’t think there are any).

    We had other options to attempt to fix the bullpen. Germano, Gosling, Dumatrait, Chick, heck even Paul Wilson.

    Larue as Jin Az has shown isn’t really doing anything differently than he was last year (other than getting hurt and not getting consistent PT).

    Of course they had a choice. The bullpen wasn’t as bad as it has been percieved.
    Much has been made of the fact that the Reds’ bullpen ERA is second-worst in baseball. That’s a fact, but it’s one that doesn’t address that the Reds’ pen has to pitch in a bandbox. It doesn’t address the number of baserunners the Reds’ relievers have inherited, or the better-than-29th place position they hold in terms of keeping them from scoring. The Reds pen may not be an asset, but it’s 25th in Fair Runs Allowed, barely behind that pricey Cubs pen. The lineup-adjusted Win Expectation above Replacement (WXRL) of their pen rates them 23rd, better than that group that Jim Hendry spent so much on this winter.. Their 13 blown saves isn’t a good total, but it’s tied for 18th, and better than five clubs. It’s a below-average pen, yes. It also isn’t the iceberg upon which their season has been wrecked.
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    Its not about making the move, its about making the right move.

  10. Brian B.

    Matt you are so right to vent. I’m even seeing a lot of logic in the fire Krivsky coments as well. I mean, it takes several good moves to build a winning team, and just one to destroy it all in a matter of minutes. So I don’t know if I can ever really get excited about Krivsky’s deals that look good at first, because I’ll be too concerned that he’s already scheming about how to throw it all away.