Here’s a game thread to discuss tonight’s game, but here’s a topic to get started:

Dave Miley needs to be fired immediately.

He is completely incompetent, and at this point, I don’t think I’d mind seeing Bob Boone re-hired. Okay, I’m not that desperate, but…

Via Red Reporter, I see this from the DDN:

“I came to the park early, all happy and smiling after a day off, ready to take some extra hitting,” Griffey said. “Dunn said, ‘Why are you so happy? You’re not in the lineup and neither am I.’ ”

Griffey visited Miley’s office to lobby for his spot, but Miley wouldn’t budge. Dunn didn’t try.

“I had a day off Thursday and don’t need (another one), but I can’t say anything because I suck,” he said.

I agree with JD’s conclusion:

We’ve lost Adam Dunn. Completely and utterly, one of the 10 best players in the game today, and there’s no chance he’s going to want to be a Red any longer than he has to be. What a waste.

Dan O’Brien and Dave Miley must go immediately, or there is no chance the Reds will be able to re-sign Adam Dunn to a long-term contract.

Let’s not fool around here: signing Adam Dunn to a long contract is the single thing this team needs to do more than any other. It’s the one move that will go furthest toward pushing the Reds to a competitive state.

You can tell from Dunn’s comments recently that he does not like the Reds organization, so why would he stay here any longer than he can? And who can blame him; he’s been jerked around more than any other superstar in the game.

Would anyone else with an OPS and HR numbers like Dunn’s have been benched in Colorado?

Sean Casey was in the lineup, though, wasn’t he? It’s clear that the Reds prefer nice guys to great players.

I’m sick and tired of this nonsense. This team is so mismanaged, it is absurd.

23 Responses

  1. Chris

    I can see sitting Jr – the Rockies broadcast team said the weather looked threatening (and it was 49 degrees).

    I can see playing Casey – he’s hitting lefties pretty well so far this year.

    I could at least listen to an argument for sitting Dunn, maybe, if Jr was playing. Francis IS a tough lefty, and it’s not unheard of for those guys to cause lingering problems.

    But with Jr out, Dunn has to play.

    And there are NO circumstances where I could imagine playing Jason Romano over Adam Dunn. Not even if Dunn was in a wheelchair.

    Here’s the career numbers on Miley’s favorite lefty-killer:

    Jason Romano’s career numbers (2002-2005) against lefties:

    .123 BA .162 OBP .200 SLG 362 OPS

    He’s 8 for 65.

    I’m not sure if Miley is playing games with Jr and Dunn – trying to “show them who’s boss,” or if he’s just stupid. I really don’t care. If it’s the first, he needs to go, because he misunderstands his job, and has no clue what the problems are on his team. If it’s the second, he obviously needs to go.

    This ain’t the minors, Dave. Let the stars play – you don’t need to be teaching them how to do their jobs.

  2. Chris

    From the official site:

    Griffey is hitting .360 (18-for-50) with eight homers and 21 RBIs at the park, while Dunn is .333 (11-for-33) with five homers and seven high-altitude RBIs.

    Though this Owen Perkins chap stringing for today says: “With a pair of right-handers on the mound Saturday and Sunday, it made sense to sit Griffey and Dunn on Friday…”

    Of course, because Dunn and Jr couldn’t possible play all three games. They have to sit out one of the days. Sheesh.

  3. Chris

    This belongs in its own topic, but I didn’t want to bump the game thread. McCoy’s game story from today’s paper is just dripping with derision at Miley’s managing:

    Miley’s plan to load the offense with right-handers. . .was a fizzling flop.

    Kearns, batting fourth despite a career-worst 0-for-21 slide, crashed a leadoff home run

    Milton, though, did his thing in the fifth — giving up home runs. (Not really aimed at Miley, but bitchy nonetheless).

    Aurilia, a surprise starter at second base with his .192 average…

    Inexplicably, Miley brought in Ryan Wagner to pitch the sixth…

    Ryan Freel (0-for-5), Felipe Lopez (0-for-4) and Sean Casey (0-for-3), the first three batters in the lineup, were 0-for-12…/

  4. Chad

    Did anyone see this coming? I mean, I wanted the Reds to hire Miley when they did. I didn’t expect him to be so incompetent.

    Another Miley is crazy note: why does Rich Aurilia continue to start? Is it the sizzling 589 OPS, or the dazzling .194 BA? I can’t decide.

  5. Brian Erts

    I was against teh Miley signing, he gives me a AAAA feeling, not an innovative mind, not a star, not a player with experience outside of ML.

    Got to have some cache, otherwise you are the company man who gets the job and drives the company off the cliff because you were never able to make a decision that worked out in a position that demands that occasionally you do.

  6. Shawn

    I was in favor of Miley being hired, because he deserved a chance. But, when you show you can’t do the job, you deserve to be fired.

  7. Chris Eling

    Your best hitter over the past month or more…who is 3-4 in the game…and has a disastrous record of attempted sacrifices…and you ask him to bunt the runners. When the pitcher is clearly struggling, no less.


    And of course, when it turns out badly, the player takes all the blame. By the way, I love how Marty and Steve held up the fact that the Rockies have so many more sacrifice bunts than do the Reds…somebody correct me, but isn’t Colorado the worst team in the league? And despite playing in Coors, haven’t they scored fewer runs than the Reds?

  8. Chad

    I can’t believe Miley isn’t pinch hitting for Junior and Dunn in the 9th, with a lefty on the mound.

  9. Glenn

    Right now the Reds are so screwed up its scary. On paper this looks like a pretty competetive team, but no one is playing worth a damm. I like Dave Miley. He’s paid his dues with this organization, but I have to stick to my guns here. MLB is all about performance. If you are not getting the job done, someone else needs to get the call. The Reds’front office chemistry just sucks. No one seems to be happy.

  10. Glenn

    This lineup experimentation Miley seems to be into is sending him right to the unemployment line. Its easy, nine out of ten nights, you write this on the card and give it to the crew chief: 1b Casey, 2b Freel, 3b Randa, SS Lopez, C Larue, Lf Dunn, CF Griffey, RF Kearns,(at least until WMP gets back). If these players don’t get it done, then its their failing, not Miley’s. However, if he keeps throwing ghosts in the machine, he’s doing nothing but making the situation worse.

  11. Tyler

    I agree that Miley deserved a shot. He’s worked for the Reds for a long time and got his shot at the bigs. Well, he got it. Now it’s time to end his tenure with the Reds.

  12. Greg

    As long as this team continues to be run by fan/media sentiment, Dunn will be traded long before he is signed to a long term deal. I have found myself on the road a lot the past few weekends, and that is all I have heard on Cincinnati radio is that Adam Dunn needs to be traded before the July 31 deadline…and they don’t even think that we’d get much for him. I completely disagree, but this organization has a recent history of making moves that they feel the fans want them to make.

    How do you educate the media without calling them stupid? or berating their favorite player?

  13. Greg

    And the whole Dunn/Junior Friday benching was a big joke. They have off days the Thursday before and Monday after the series. PLAY YOUR BEST PLAYERS! (Note to Miley, Romano is not one of your best players.)

  14. Heath

    Somewhere Jason Romano has a picture of DanO and a pony.

    Kinda like Willie Greene’s spell over Jim Bowden…

  15. Chris

    Similar to Raffy Belliard’s photos of Bobby Cox.

  16. Greg

    You can’t compare Willie Greene to Jason Romano. Greene’s numbers were above league average offensively from 1996-1998, having a pretty nice year in 1997. They are basically slightly worse than Aaron Boone’s with worse defense. If memory serves, Greene was a prospect that they kept dinking around with and never gave much of a chance until he ran out of options in 1996 and they had to keep him on the major league roster.

  17. CG Hudson

    Just got done reading the piece on Dunn in the June Reds Report and as soon as they finally fire Miley, would anyone else like to see Chris Chambliss given a shot at managing this team? The article talks about his relationship of mutual respect with Dunn and his overall emphasis on plate discipline as an approach. His resume is stocked with winning Yankee teams that emphasized obp. I don’t know if he even would want the job but he seems to be the best in-house option they’ve got.

  18. Todd Bute

    Some of you guys have no clue to what is going on…When you have pitchers that should be AAA/AA pictures then your not going to win no matter who you play on the field or what your batting order is. Remember Dave Miley doesn’t do the signing/drafting of this team. Sparky Anderson couldn’t win with this team much less your local High School coach…

  19. Brian Erts

    Some of you guys have no clue to what is going on…

    That would make us candidates for the Reds Front Office then correct?

    You’re correct that the pitching is the problem.

    Not using your players in a position that best takes advantage’s of their skillset helps point to a bigger problem that surrounds the Reds.

    Not using their hiring power properly, not using their money properly, not using their players properly.

    Yes the pitching stinks.

    But the rest of the fruit is bruised and rotten in places too.

  20. Greg

    Pitching is A problem. I think Miley’s use of Dunn in particular (just for one example) is another problem. I’d say Dunn batting 5th/6th and getting the occasional game off costs him 50-75 PAs per year. He’d break the 50HR threshold playing fulltime in the #3 slot.

    Miley not playing Lopez over Aurilia UNTIL Aurilia got hurt.

    I also don’t see where the fundamentals that were supposed to be improved upon once Boone left (ie baserunning blunders, bunting) have gotten any better.

    And Miley seems to be antagonistic. Taking chairs away, taking down uniforms. I realize that the manager’s job isn’t necessarily to be everyone’s buddy or pal, nor does he even have to be liked, but he should at least be respected, and I doubt you’ll find many in the Reds clubhouse that has much respect for the guy right now…right, wrong, or indifferent, a team performing the way the Reds are now will and should have a major changeup in their coaching staff.

    But, you are right, Miley isn’t the only problem. O’Brien’s use of the extra money Lindner finally agreed to throw at the payroll should result in his immediate firing.

  21. Chris

    I don’t buy that the implication that Miley has been stuck with “AAA/AA pitchers.” O’Brien spent a ton of money on both starters and relievers this year. They all suck, but they’re not raw, untested kids.

  22. Todd Bute

    Well now that Miley has been fired and O’Brien has his man Narron (Miley’s back stabber) lets see what these two genius (right) can do. Remember Miley couldn’t run this team the way he wanted to….My god, he couldn’t even pick his own coaches. And with Dunn-Miley coached him in AAA and I’m sure there’s more problems their then we all know. Anyway, David Miley will manage again. Lets just hope it ain’t with the Reds. org. and lets see how long O’Brien/Narron hang around….Wake up Linder